Pick your own Mystery Mafia Endgame:Whats your Function?

[aage]

The night had seemed long for everyone. The large moon up in the sky seemed to stop at times as it crossed over the sky as the townspeople were out doing the things they needed to do. A few people decided they had nothing to do for that night, so they stayed home. One person snuck out of their house to, feeling a little adventurous and wanted to cause a bit of confusion, but he didn't make it far before he got hit over the head and blacked out. Whispers were heard between two people in the town, but nobody could be sure what was being said.

After everyone had done what they had to do, people slowly returned home, to rest until the morning would come. But one last person snuck back out and went up to a house, and with a flourish of the hand and a small incantation, set a spell upon one townie. The townie woke up and felt a strange pull in his conscious, realizing his ability to speak is being partially hindered.

D1 BEGIN (BEGAN BECAUSE TFO IS A DOPE)

There might be more into this then I first thought...

-'A few people having nothing to do at night', in a non-VT game. Day powers?
-'Causing confusion' seems a busdriver, getting hit in the head and blacking out seems like maybe a roleblock on the busdriver.
-'Whispers' more then likely masons
-The 'incantation' power is lol. Someone can give a speaking restriction to other players?

I've had a role where I could give post restrictions before, I think it was in one of Rish's games too. In that game I couldn't make it "too ridiculous", like completely preventing people from talking sensibly. Hence my scepticism towards Mitch's absence being the result of a PR.

I agree with your analysis about the roles referenced. The moon "seeming to stop" might be something since it's so deliberately phrased, but I haven't a clue what it could be. There don't seem to be any leads concerning those roles' alignments, unless we take "townie" literally.

[TimWoodbury]

Whispers were heard between two people in the town, but nobody could be sure what was being said.

thi sounds almost like 2 people may have a day talk

[bosaardbeitje]

-'A few people having nothing to do at night', in a non-VT game. Day powers?
-'Causing confusion' seems a busdriver, getting hit in the head and blacking out seems like maybe a roleblock on the busdriver.
-'Whispers' more then likely masons
-The 'incantation' power is lol. Someone can give a speaking restriction to other players?

These kind of posts make me spend about an hour on the wiki, so keep them limited, thank you very much

[Endgame422]

Ok the moon thing i think i recall from double fanucci mafia,mafia moon master could make ALL scum actions succesful,while town moon master could block ALL scum actions one time per game.
Not sure that's what we have here but its the only thing that comes to mind with that moon reference.
Streaker,logic on viruss one post making him 99 percent town?
His post seemed pretty standard to me.
FPd by bosaard who seems to be trying to push us past discussing the scene.

[virus90]

@ aage what i mean by "act" is

Bosaard, surely you would have to procedurally vote the player who posts last in the topic since day start then?

Sounds like a plan to me! So, I can count you in?

the voting last player stuff, i think that would almost never make a majority. and then taht idea is being abondened already like within a day.
the commetns about strike starting serious conversation and how scummy it is. (the hats part) then coming with the number 5 right in the middle. as indecisive as can be. so saying thing but not commiting.

[strike wolf]

I would rather talk about the players than the night actions.

slight fos Streaker and Endgame

unvote vote Mitch to see if we can get him to say something.

[ptlowe]

Just jumping in. Jet lagged and new job. Will catch up tonight...

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

"The townie woke up and felt a strange pull in his conscious, realizing his ability to speak is being partially hindered."

There is a difference between partially hindered and fully. This may be a blessing as Mitch is usually not helpful to his cause. Also we can not be certain at this point that it is Mitch.

I have a feeling this person is given a finite number of times they may post.

Vote IB

There are so many permutations as to what the hinderance may be. I want to know how/why you know that this is the hinderance?

@End - Moon Shaman's are a very obscure role that only appear in a couple of odd game records in the darkest corners of google. ( I had a look during the double Fanucci) So I wouldnt worry too much about that. And to be honest Strikewolf is right, the actual roles are less important than how people are playing them.

Which brings us to Virus, appears to be making a mountain out of a molehill whilst Streaker declares him 99% town. How can you declare anyone to be town at this point?

[bosaardbeitje]

A few people decided they had nothing to do for that night, so they stayed home.

-'A few people having nothing to do at night', in a non-VT game. Day powers?

I actually thought it meant that some people decided not to use their night actions.

[Endgame422]

Ill agree with wing that IB seems pretty knowledgeable about this postrestriction we have.
Not sure it makes IB scum though.
If i had to guess right now id say streaker is scum because of that last comment he made about virus,as well as immediately guessing that mischief=busdriver leads me to guess he could be busdriver himself.
If streaker flipped mafia,id want to lynch virus next and vice-versa.

[Marashu]

Having nothing to do at night could also be passive roles.

Right now, I'm not feeling anything scummy from End, IB, or Wing. Kinda neutral on dakky, since his only contribution so far has been to talk about mitch, and he seems to be waiting on mitch for anything else. Getting a new player town feel from Tim. Had a weird feeling from an exchange between aage and bosaa earlier, not sure if there's anything there, though. I'm also not really liking Streaker atm - I doubt he's mason, and his post about virus is weird (though I am leaning town with virus).

@Strike, I agree about wanting to look at players more than the N0 scene or what actions might have happened, but I feel like it would be a bad idea to completely ignore the N0 stuff. I also think that requesting a prod would accomplish more than voting an inactive.

I'm still working on my list, but I'd really like to hear more from ptlowe, mitch, and HotShot. My guess right now is 4 mafia - for sure no less than 3 and no more than 5, so I feel like 4 is a safe number to narrow it down to until we have more information.

fp'd by End
I missed his thing about mischief = busdriver. We'll probably find out more about said mischief D2, unless the same person gets RB'd. I'm not convinced that Streaker and virus are scum buddies, but I do agree that we would need to look more closely into one if the other flips scum.

[TimWoodbury]

FPd by bosaard who seems to be trying to push us past discussing the scene.

boss is very new this is his 1st game with this sort of thing as far as im aware so i cant count him against it i wouldnt have put any thought into the scene had yall not mentioned it

[TimWoodbury]

I would rather talk about the players than the night actions.

slight fos Streaker and Endgame

unvote vote Mitch to see if we can get him to say something.

you suspect streak and EG yt vote mitch i can see the wanting him to talk but seems we have concluded that he cant speak for x amount of time or something im shure when he can spea he will speak and expain it all to us and confuse the hell out of us

[Iron Butterfly]

Pure speculation on my part. I have no idea on anything except I do know what the word partially means. partially means not fully hence it is my opinion that if someone is indeed "partially silenced" that means they may have an opportunity to post. I did not realize my post was so confusing to you. I at least know that you are not partially silenced if indeed that is in game.

"The townie woke up and felt a strange pull in his conscious, realizing his ability to speak is being partially hindered."

There is a difference between partially hindered and fully. This may be a blessing as Mitch is usually not helpful to his cause. Also we can not be certain at this point that it is Mitch.

I have a feeling this person is given a finite number of times they may post.

Vote IB

There are so many permutations as to what the hinderance may be. I want to know how/why you know that this is the hinderance?

@End - Moon Shaman's are a very obscure role that only appear in a couple of odd game records in the darkest corners of google. ( I had a look during the double Fanucci) So I wouldnt worry too much about that. And to be honest Strikewolf is right, the actual roles are less important than how people are playing them.

Which brings us to Virus, appears to be making a mountain out of a molehill whilst Streaker declares him 99% town. How can you declare anyone to be town at this point?

[Iron Butterfly]

Ill agree with wing that IB seems pretty knowledgeable about this postrestriction we have.
Not sure it makes IB scum though.
If i had to guess right now id say streaker is scum because of that last comment he made about virus,as well as immediately guessing that mischief=busdriver leads me to guess he could be busdriver himself.
If streaker flipped mafia,id want to lynch virus next and vice-versa.

You guys crack me up. I saw this after I saw wings post.

I played in a game where I was "partially silenced" actually. That is meaninglesss to this game. Read the night scene. It seems pretty clear and is not rocket science.

[Streaker]

I see that my comment on virus being 99% town has triggered a few of you. Why would I not read him as town? I have a very strong read on virus from previous games, and have high confidence in my read. I just spilled it out for you guys.

Also I made my post about the night scene at this time, instead of when things heat up and we are deciding on lynches. Now is the time to discuss that, not in a few days when more important matters are happening.

Unvote vote mitch

Let's put up the pressure and see if he can talk or not.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Does it really surprise you Aage? I might have been early but I usually try to shake day 1 up somehow.

I would rather talk about the players than the night actions.

slight fos Streaker and Endgame

unvote vote Mitch to see if we can get him to say something.

Is this you shaking things up? It seems your plan is to sit and wait for Mitch to talk, which looks to me like stalling. There have been a fair few interactions and your talk of players consists of FOS'ing Streaker and Endgame with minimal explanation. Sure we can infer your objection is that they are talking mechanics, but its not like you are offering them a different subject matter to discuss.

Swifty time.

Unvote IB

[bosaardbeitje]

Could someone give a few examples of known hindrances. Are there other ways to get Mitch the Mad Frog to talk, instead of voting for him?

IOW Can we trigger a reaction from him?

[Iron Butterfly]

Could someone give a few examples of known hindrances. Are there other ways to get Mitch the Mad Frog to talk, instead of voting for him?

IOW Can we trigger a reaction from him?

When you say known hinderences as in how the night scene was written? No.

Now somrthing that has not been taken into consideration is that it just means the person may be blocked, jailed or any number of night actions imposed. Again pure speculation.

At this point I think it more productive to scum hunt and focus on players rather what the night may or may not infer.

[rishaed]

Vote Count:

Endgame422 (1) - Hotshot53
StrikeWolf (2) - Ptlowe, aage
WingCmdr G (1) - bosaardbeitje
Madmitch (3) - StrikeWolf, Streaker, Tim Woodbury
Ptlowe (1) - dakky21
aage (1) - Endgame422
IronButterfly (1) - WingCmdr G

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
D1 ends on the 18th.

[aage]

Could someone give a few examples of known hindrances. Are there other ways to get Mitch the Mad Frog to talk, instead of voting for him?

IOW Can we trigger a reaction from him?

"The townie woke up and felt a strange pull in his conscious, realizing his ability to speak is being partially hindered."
If the this refers to what most of us think it refers to, it's a post restriction. You can find a description of it on the mafia wiki.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... estriction
There are many different kinds of post restrictions, but I've never seen one that stopped a player from posting entirely.
In your hour-long search on the wiki, I'm surprised you didn't find this.


Then again, IB has a point, it's pure speculation based on the scene. Plus, I'm not at all convinced that Mitch is being post restricted; more likely, he's just lazy and didn't realise he is in this game/hasn't found the time to post in this game.

As for getting a reaction out of Mitch, right now there is nothing we can do about the situation, since the rules prevent us from contacting him outside of the thread. That is the mod's job, and as the rules also state, after 4 days of not posting a player will receive a prod (like a poke, or a warning) to remind them that they should participate. After all, why sign up for a game if you're not going to play it?

I would have suggested refraining from voting Mitch off before the 4-day term has passed. However, it has passed almost 90 minutes ago, so I assume the mod has prodded him. Therefore I suggest waiting another 24 hours to see if he responds to it, and also to see if he responds in other games such as the F11 game, where he is posting.

[rishaed]

Modnote: As far As i'm concerned, there is nobody who currently needs a Prod. (Madmitch included).

[Endgame422]

Modnote: As far As i'm concerned, there is nobody who currently needs a Prod. (Madmitch included).

Huh.
This makes me think mitch probably is restricted.
The question is what does that mean?
Would scum restrict one of their own(mitch) D1?
It seems like a smart play because he gets a pass D1 and cant make a slip,of course theres all kinds of WIFOM arguements to be made here so we cant know anything for sure,but i still think its worth considering especially since mitch seems to be the prime target today.

[Iron Butterfly]

Modnote: As far As i'm concerned, there is nobody who currently needs a Prod. (Madmitch included).

Huh.
This makes me think mitch probably is restricted.
The question is what does that mean?
Would scum restrict one of their own(mitch) D1?
It seems like a smart play because he gets a pass D1 and cant make a slip,of course theres all kinds of WIFOM arguements to be made here so we cant know anything for sure,but i still think its worth considering especially since mitch seems to be the prime target today.

Vote endgame

Talk about scum move. You imply there is a good shot he is mafia because that would be a smart mafia move without saying right out he is mafia. You seem to be implanting your speculative notion in the hopes someone else will pic up it's banner. Mitch has not been the prime target. What he has been is the central focus of conversation due to the wording of the night scene. The mod all but confirmed that Mitch does not need a prod, which tells me his silence has nothing to do with him not being present to play.

You believe he is restricted? Fine. I think we can all gather that from what has transpired. Your stating the obvious.

If Mitch truly is restricted he has been placed at the mercy of the restriction. Mafia would have no need to restrict themselves as they could easily fake it but that would be stupid as well. The number one reason people tend to vote someone scum is their lack of posting and laying low...aka scummarining.

Third party could be involved as well for all we know. But I digress.

In summation you are suggesting that Mitch was silenced by mafia so he does not open his mouth, so he does not make some slip up so people do not suspect he is mafia.
Sounds to me like mafia would say to get an innocent Townie lynched, who has no way to defend himself. Nice use of his meta by the way.

[dakky21]

So I was right, he got post restriction after all!

Anyway, don't judge so quickly endgame, he can be town as well, and if I had the ability to shut someone up, I'd use a random.org.