Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[edocsil]

Hey Thanks for Posting this type of Game here.

I was actually looking for this type of Game and Like to be a Part of this game Guys..What a fantastic and super Game this is..

? who is this guy.

Ignore him for the moment. If he sticks around he will read the rules and figure out how to sign up for another game.

[jak111]

Hey Thanks for Posting this type of Game here.

I was actually looking for this type of Game and Like to be a Part of this game Guys..What a fantastic and super Game this is..

? who is this guy.

Ignore him for the moment. If he sticks around he will read the rules and figure out how to sign up for another game.

Agreed. I might even be able to get some more in my Halo one XD.

I'm still not letting IB slide for now. Just my single vote has stirred more activity from him than someone asking him to post. But for now he's still pretty high on my scumdar for the day.

[soundman]

Apologies for the vote count mistakes, but I did see everywhere's vote. Will not say more for fear of unduly influencing the game.

This is leaving second thoughts. I hate to waste time, but could we quickly try the self hammer again? I am concerned we have missed something. I would also prefer non to unvote till there is a official VC.

I was actually going to say the same thing. He's at L3, shouldn't take too much time.

[vodean]

Anyway, I'm going to unvote vote vodean for the denying the typo incident.

thats funny. i say that you are looking a little scummy, and you OMGUS vote me, making up some BS excuse? i didnt deny the typo incident. i made a mistake, and said the reason why is probably cuz i was tired... im sorry for being human.

ok i was willing to move past the vodean case. but this just doesnt sit right. i even misread it but admited to it. to think it was a typo is absurd. unvote vote vodean

. by saying i thought it was a typo, i think i pretty clearly said i misread it... because misreading it led me to that conclusion. Way to jump on the BW on me again as soon as it starts.
i thought you said that we were gonna stop this nonsense? i guess that only applied to me.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Anyway, I'm going to unvote vote vodean for the denying the typo incident.

thats funny. i say that you are looking a little scummy, and you OMGUS vote me, making up some BS excuse? i didnt deny the typo incident. i made a mistake, and said the reason why is probably cuz i was tired... im sorry for being human.

ok i was willing to move past the vodean case. but this just doesnt sit right. i even misread it but admited to it. to think it was a typo is absurd. unvote vote vodean

. by saying i thought it was a typo, i think i pretty clearly said i misread it... because misreading it led me to that conclusion. Way to jump on the BW on me again as soon as it starts.
i thought you said that we were gonna stop this nonsense? i guess that only applied to me.

ok that makes no sense...can someone else word it. cause what im reading is that he thought it was a typo so you misread it. the two are completly different.

misread: "billy hopped the fence" changed to "billy hugged the fence"

typo: "billy hopped teh fence" changed to "billy hopped the fence"

make sense? if you misread say that dont say something about a typo. that is what is making everyone get all confused about it.

[Djfireside]

Apologies for the vote count mistakes, but I did see everywhere's vote. Will not say more for fear of unduly influencing the game.

This is leaving second thoughts. I hate to waste time, but could we quickly try the self hammer again? I am concerned we have missed something. I would also prefer non to unvote till there is a official VC.

I was actually going to say the same thing. He's at L3, shouldn't take too much time.

Ive never dealt with a priest in any of these games so I had to read up on it and appears to be just a nice annoying role. He is sitting L-4 so its a possibility. In reading up on it I did note that I believe Edoc stated that it was never mafia but in reading it said clearly that there is no reason it has to be town. We could try to confirm it again but I have a feeling that it may end up the same way unless if you unvote before it is counted it doesnt count (never was quite sure on how those worked.) If unvoting before it is counted is allowed then nothing was proved so I guess we could take another stab at it as I would be curious to see the outcome. I left my vote to actually have a fair run at this claim.

As for Vodean and the typo I have to go back and read again but I didnt see much to go on and clever and jonty both jumping back in again for random thoughts so before going back into their realm again I want to go back to see if there is any merit to their claims which I havent found yet in reading it.

[vodean]

clever: i could read "he hugged the fence" as "he hugged teh fence" which would mean that i misread it, leading me to believe there was a typo. that is the type of thing that happened.

saf said he saw the vote. he did not say that he saw that everywhere was at L-1. im assuming he would have gone back and ended the day, but if we miscounted, and he never was at L-1? what then.

Essentially, every has proven that he is priest, but not that he is town. That begs the question: do we pressure him anyway in the hopes that he makes a scum-slip, or do we move on and try to find another mafia member, without exposing power roles?

[jak111]

Apologies for the vote count mistakes, but I did see everywhere's vote. Will not say more for fear of unduly influencing the game.

This is leaving second thoughts. I hate to waste time, but could we quickly try the self hammer again? I am concerned we have missed something. I would also prefer non to unvote till there is a official VC.

I was actually going to say the same thing. He's at L3, shouldn't take too much time.

Ive never dealt with a priest in any of these games so I had to read up on it and appears to be just a nice annoying role. He is sitting L-4 so its a possibility. In reading up on it I did note that I believe Edoc stated that it was never mafia but in reading it said clearly that there is no reason it has to be town. We could try to confirm it again but I have a feeling that it may end up the same way unless if you unvote before it is counted it doesnt count (never was quite sure on how those worked.) If unvoting before it is counted is allowed then nothing was proved so I guess we could take another stab at it as I would be curious to see the outcome. I left my vote to actually have a fair run at this claim.

As for Vodean and the typo I have to go back and read again but I didnt see much to go on and clever and jonty both jumping back in again for random thoughts so before going back into their realm again I want to go back to see if there is any merit to their claims which I havent found yet in reading it.

Saf is an experienced player and if he wasn't the mod he'd tell you himself, that once a lynch is made, unvotes do not matter. The second there are enough votes for the lynch, the player is lynched regardless of actions after it.

Thus, Everywhere has proven his claim to me. Town or Mafia, I can't say, but I THINK there was a priest in Yo Ho Mafia.. and it was mafia. So the faction I'm not 100% sold on, however the role, I am.

[Djfireside]

Thank you for the clarification on that. I was never really sure how that worked but I know Saf is good about it all and if that is how it goes then I agree the role is confirmed.

[vodean]

Saf is an experienced player and if he wasn't the mod he'd tell you himself, that once a lynch is made, unvotes do not matter. The second there are enough votes for the lynch, the player is lynched regardless of actions after it.

Thus, Everywhere has proven his claim to me. Town or Mafia, I can't say, but I THINK there was a priest in Yo Ho Mafia.. and it was mafia. So the faction I'm not 100% sold on, however the role, I am.

obviously, but whats getting to me is that saf said he wouldnt say anything else to avoid tipping the game. what does that mean? what should he say, but cant?

[jak111]

Saf is an experienced player and if he wasn't the mod he'd tell you himself, that once a lynch is made, unvotes do not matter. The second there are enough votes for the lynch, the player is lynched regardless of actions after it.

Thus, Everywhere has proven his claim to me. Town or Mafia, I can't say, but I THINK there was a priest in Yo Ho Mafia.. and it was mafia. So the faction I'm not 100% sold on, however the role, I am.

obviously, but whats getting to me is that saf said he wouldnt say anything else to avoid tipping the game. what does that mean? what should he say, but cant?

Could be a number of reasons. Could be that there was a vote stealer. Could be that it'd completely confirm Everywhere (which mods aren't allowed to do, but once in a while they slip with that info).

Whatever it is, Saf believes it to tip the balance so he will not state it.

[betiko]

Saf is an experienced player and if he wasn't the mod he'd tell you himself, that once a lynch is made, unvotes do not matter. The second there are enough votes for the lynch, the player is lynched regardless of actions after it.

Thus, Everywhere has proven his claim to me. Town or Mafia, I can't say, but I THINK there was a priest in Yo Ho Mafia.. and it was mafia. So the faction I'm not 100% sold on, however the role, I am.

obviously, but whats getting to me is that saf said he wouldnt say anything else to avoid tipping the game. what does that mean? what should he say, but cant?

Could be a number of reasons. Could be that there was a vote stealer. Could be that it'd completely confirm Everywhere (which mods aren't allowed to do, but once in a while they slip with that info).

Whatever it is, Saf believes it to tip the balance so he will not state it.

now that's interesting! let's say there is indeed a mafia vote stealer, they could perfectly make this strategy, and have a priest "wildcard claim". but in that case, if there is a votestealer, how ould it appear in saf's votecount?

[aage]

Could be a number of reasons. Could be that there was a vote stealer. Could be that it'd completely confirm Everywhere (which mods aren't allowed to do, but once in a while they slip with that info).

Whatever it is, Saf believes it to tip the balance so he will not state it.

now that's interesting! let's say there is indeed a mafia vote stealer, they could perfectly make this strategy, and have a priest "wildcard claim". but in that case, if there is a votestealer, how ould it appear in saf's votecount?

Afaik, the VC would mention e.g. a (8) as total, but there would be 9 names behind it. Since this is not the case (if the VC's are accurate) I doubt this.. I will keep my vote on Every for now so you guys can experiment with the count all you want, but I have been fully convinced that he is a town priest.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

clever(5)- leehar, vodean, ghostly, IB,neb
vodean(4)- mob, chuck, jonty, clever
shield(2)- betiko, hippo
everywhere(6)- sound, edoc, shield, dj, hippo, aage
aage(1)- doom
IB(1)- jak

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

With regards to recent speculation, I believe it is my job as mod to neither confirm nor discredit any possible claims people may have. Let me just say that I did keep a mental tally of the number of votes on people, even if I may have forgotten to update where people changed their votes to. And as usual, if a person is lynched, unvotes after that post will not change anything.

Again, please point out any mistakes I have made in my vote counts, they are greatly appreciated.

[vodean]

unless they pre-emptively stole everywhere's vote.

saf, would it be possible to go back and give us vote counts from the time around the hammer?

[vodean]

also, everyone who voted me unvoted. all of them.

[thechuck51]

Should we consider priest to be a power role? If anything it is an un-power role. As a priest, everywhere is unable to do something even vanilla townies are able to do which is cast the final vote for a hammer. Plus there is the fact he could be a mafia priest. He never did claim "town priest", just priest. All things considered Everywhere might be our best option for a lynch. If we pressure more players we rune the risk of outing a real power role and as a priest his role is less useful than a vanilla townie. Thoughts?

[thehippo8]

Saf, not asking you to go beyond your mod duties - but you do need to tell us whether there were enough votes for a lynch. If there were not then that's a case of bad counting on our part. If there were enough votes then we'll take it from there. But you do, please, need to tell us whether there were enough votes - I believe. No offence intended but we really can't move on with the game until we have that basic data. Cheers Saf.

[pmchugh]

Should we consider priest to be a power role? If anything it is an un-power role. As a priest, everywhere is unable to do something even vanilla townies are able to do which is cast the final vote for a hammer. Plus there is the fact he could be a mafia priest. He never did claim "town priest", just priest. All things considered Everywhere might be our best option for a lynch. If we pressure more players we rune the risk of outing a real power role and as a priest his role is less useful than a vanilla townie. Thoughts?

I agree with the above. Everywhere still doesn't sit right with me and Sati is not even in Wikipedias list of minor characters, she is too minor to be minor. I think that the day has went on for quite a while now and we should be heading towards a lynch, if pushed to choose between the VTs I would say vodean but everywhere is still my favourite.

[jak111]

Should we consider priest to be a power role? If anything it is an un-power role. As a priest, everywhere is unable to do something even vanilla townies are able to do which is cast the final vote for a hammer. Plus there is the fact he could be a mafia priest. He never did claim "town priest", just priest. All things considered Everywhere might be our best option for a lynch. If we pressure more players we rune the risk of outing a real power role and as a priest his role is less useful than a vanilla townie. Thoughts?

My biggest concern is that he could be a mafia priest, other than that I don't think he deserves to be lynched because of what his role is.

But as far as highlighting my post goes Betiko. It is just a suggestion that could be a scenario. Another one is that he has that role (the name escapes me atm) that he needs an EXTRA vote to be lynched (which I would assume in mostly a scum role) but again, it's just speculation and thoughts on what it could be.

I knew Saf wouldn't be able to confirm much because he knows the above wifom is possible and that he doesn't want to clear or unclear Everywhere but instead stay neutral and make the town decide whether or not it's a legit claim.

Everywhere, you have the benefit of doubt from me and probably a few others. But with the roles that you could be and do the same thing or scenarios that could've happened. We can't 100% clear you just yet. You're at the 80-85% range on my radar.

Fastposted x2.

So you think we NEED a lynch today? Remember, we have a huge chance of hitting town instead of mafia. It's whether or not we believe some claims atm..

[thehippo8]

Fastposted by Jak ... making my longwinded post worthless.

You could be right Jak ... I have never heard of a person needing an extra vote but that doesn't mean anything ... there could be a Vote Thief (stealing a vote) or a Governor (PMing the Mod to stop a lynch) or he could be Lynchproof or a Saulus (no lynch but transformed from scum to town. There are probably other options too. But frankly ... we have to assume that as we can all count and the lynch didn't happen that he is most unlikely to be a priest. If he was then why wasn't he mod-killed! So ... not a priest. Was he saved? Is he unlynchable. The only way these other possibilities can be tested is by way of further votes on him. Maybe he is one time unlynchable? It's all so confusing!!

[Nebuchadnezer]

Should we consider priest to be a power role? If anything it is an un-power role. As a priest, everywhere is unable to do something even vanilla townies are able to do which is cast the final vote for a hammer. Plus there is the fact he could be a mafia priest. He never did claim "town priest", just priest. All things considered Everywhere might be our best option for a lynch. If we pressure more players we rune the risk of outing a real power role and as a priest his role is less useful than a vanilla townie. Thoughts?

I agree with the above. Everywhere still doesn't sit right with me and Sati is not even in Wikipedias list of minor characters, she is too minor to be minor. I think that the day has went on for quite a while now and we should be heading towards a lynch, if pushed to choose between the VTs I would say vodean but everywhere is still my favourite.

I think there is a lot of time being wasted on this. In my personal list, I had Sati as a character that would be in this game before I had The Kid. I don't know if you three (pmchugh, vodean, hippo) are really trying to get an answer, or just trying to waste time and misdirect people. If you really want to go through this all again, then put your votes back on him. Either way, having over 3 pages of posts saying the same thing is posting just to seem like you're posting. So, hurry up, verify his claim...again...so we can move on. And if it's really just about believing whether Sati is mafia or not, then say so and just vote that way. Don't speculate for 3 pages.

[thehippo8]

@ Neb - my problem exactly - my vote is supposed to be on him but it was on Shield as well. That's one of the errors I was eeking clarification from Saf about. But maybe there's some powerful character that can vote split someone else's vote or something equally as bizarre. It's all too confusing and if Saf is happy to leave it that way then we have to find out a way to figure it out ourselves.

Let me try ...unvote vote everywhere

[DoomYoshi]

Vote pmc

Really? Twice in one day after I already voted you for it?

[pmchugh]

Vote pmc

Really? Twice in one day after I already voted you for it?

Doom you really need to actually state why you find me suspicious. I had to go searching and all I found was that I was rolefishing (clearly not doing that here) and "intuition". Along side this post:

Vote pmc

Your unbacked vote against edoc has really odd timing. I would expect that earlier in the game or with less discussion on the table, not now. Also, your threatening tone about our names has already started to turn jak against me. Will provide specific quotes by request.

I can't relate that here either. If you are gonna vote for me then tell me why.

As for everywhere, I don't want to test his claim again I trust that he has a lynch stopping mechanism, I want to lynch him. I don't buy the claim and his silence since giving it is telling, even if Sati was to be expected in the game (the kid had a bigger role in the films IMO) the mafia could have been given fake claims and in that case we will never lynch anyone. I still think everywhere has acted suspiciously and is the best lynch for today.