HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I disagree heavily with mc being confirmed. All that was confirmed is that there is a secret voter.

I don't know why you keep asking me to add things to the investigations. I haven't claimed any more knowledge. You already heard the abilities I had.

okay, Chap...explain this. This is why I kept asking what your night actions were. Yet you NEVER answered. Now you come up with new information that you did something last night? Now is the time to come clean on all your abilities and when you used them. Your play had been very suspect, and this newest stunt makes you look worse. TAILS is right...you haven't had one accurate accusation yet. I'll wait for your response. If it's not a full, accurate disclosure, then I'll vote...time to show your cards.

[Iron Butterfly]

p. 90

"Neb, I haven't been online to write anything. Sorry. RL stuff. I do have a watch ability, as I previously stated. Sorry you skimmed that multiple times spiesr. I did use the ability last night. I have nothing to say about it as of now. I might reveal the information later if it becomes relevant.

As for me, I'm not picking a side in this argument with Tails, pcm, and strike. I'll wait to get some questions answered. And, just to be clear, IB, are you saying that you aren't sure if you were blocked or not?"

This is Chaps reply to Neb after Neb asked him about his watching ability. Chap said he watched someone back then. He also conveniently refuses to pick a fight when we have Mafia in our sight, only to redirect the line of questioning back to me.

i want to know who he watched back then and HOW he could possibly watched strike last night if he is a JOAT.

[mc05025]

Chapcrap:

When accusing someone that:

1) his claim is strong as the person Lily potter is for sure in the game (I know that because I am James Potter so obviously Lily is in the game too) and there is no counter claim
2) He claimed without any pressure in order to kill someone he believed is a deatheater, succeeded the kill and the player was indeed a deatheater
3) He hammered Voldemort
4) You just accused him from an information that you can not prove without giving any more information (that really reminds me Snapes accusations against me when he was saying I was Greybah) and denying to answer very simple questions
5) you yourself does not have a strong claim and your contribution against deatheaters are the 1/10 of tails contribution or less

For me, the only way you are right is that tails just turned into a deatheater that night. I am open to investigate that possibility but meanwhile you should better cooperate and answer some questions and for that reason you have my vote. At your next post I am waiting details.

VOTE CHAP

[Djfireside]

First to answer Neb's statement on me

Okay, I have to clear my head up as to what we know...
.....

15) DJfireside – Ginny Weasley, super double secret backup role, that would kill us all if DJ reveals it (or so he acts like it)

I dont have a super duper backup role. I was told that I have the posibilty of getting a power somewhere in the game. What it could be I have no idea but I wanted to find out. At no point have I said anything about it being anything other than a possiblity and not occuring.

.....

2. DJfireside – unforced claim, and has an unknown condition “if something happens” Well, I’d like to not be kept in the dark here...seems fishy.
I can also make a ton of WIFOM arguments, but then everyone is scum to me, and we get into a paranoid mentality.

Again, I have no idea what it is or how I can get it. If I knew be sure I would have done it by now. Since strike claimed auror and im future auror I was hoping for a recruitment based thing and since I have no power as of yet there was no harm in claiming to see if I could get it to benefit everyone else. However I still have nothing.

Back to the matter at hand

As we all debated on Chap and IB the first time it was a general consencious that one of them was lying. Based on IB's investigation of them for his second investigation that was used but revealed no information still boggles me but since IB has led to positive information and all their information lines up and now Chap has more holes in their role I have to lean more towards chap in this instance.

Vote Chap

[strike wolf]

I'm a bit torn. I think tails logic is sound but I really can't see chap calling out tails if it wasn't true in this scenario. chap what action did you use on me?

[Iron Butterfly]

I'm a bit torn. I think tails logic is sound but I really can't see chap calling out tails if it wasn't true in this scenario. chap what action did you use on me?

Just as important...what night action did you use night four and what were the results?

[everywhere116]

Unvote vote chap for obvious reasons.

@Chap Can you explain in one succinct post, clearly, what all your available actions are, and a night-by-night list of all your actions thus far in this game?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I'm a bit torn. I think tails logic is sound but I really can't see chap calling out tails if it wasn't true in this scenario. chap what action did you use on me?

I assuming the track, cuz he probably only had one investigation and kill (that is if he isn't faking). Otherwise there's no use for a cop role such as yourself.

-Tails

[chapcrap]

First of all, mc, quit trying to say that James and Lily are strong claims. They are not strong at all.

Second, Tails, it's very easy for mafia to get town cred and a win if they throw other members under the bus. Perhaps you aren't mafia and you're third party. I don't know. All I know is that you're lying again.

I have no problem telling my night actions now because they are all used and I don't think I can get anyone else to slip up, as Tails did, by keeping them a secret. And, btw, keeping them a secret is a good move, because it makes the mafia wonder what actions I have. They don't know if I am holding anything back or if I am truly out of actions.

Night 1: Investigated IB, Result: Not a wizard
Night 2: Tried to kill IB, he didn't die and when I questioned freezie, I didn't have the ability any longer.
Night 3: Tried to track Neb and got no result. I asked if I still had the ability and was informed that I did.
Night 4: Tracked strike wolf, he visitied Neb.
Night 5: nothing
Night 6: Used a doctor ability on strike wolf

Ok, those are the results that I sent in, but now looking at my role PM, I never had a kill ability. I must have dreamed that. That is what I sent in however. So, I'm not sure if freezie just ignored my kill action or accepted it. I was never informed that I was being an idiot by sending in an action that I wasn't supposed to have, so I'm not sure. AND, that being said, I still have a roleblock ability. I thought I was out of actions, but I guess not. I need to clarify with freezie.

[Nebuchadnezer]

First of all, mc, quit trying to say that James and Lily are strong claims. They are not strong at all.

Second, Tails, it's very easy for mafia to get town cred and a win if they throw other members under the bus. Perhaps you aren't mafia and you're third party. I don't know. All I know is that you're lying again.

I have no problem telling my night actions now because they are all used and I don't think I can get anyone else to slip up, as Tails did, by keeping them a secret. And, btw, keeping them a secret is a good move, because it makes the mafia wonder what actions I have. They don't know if I am holding anything back or if I am truly out of actions.

Night 1: Investigated IB, Result: Not a wizard
Night 2: Tried to kill IB, he didn't die and when I questioned freezie, I didn't have the ability any longer.
Night 3: Tried to track Neb and got no result. I asked if I still had the ability and was informed that I did.
Night 4: Tracked strike wolf, he visitied Neb.
Night 5: nothing
Night 6: Used a doctor ability on strike wolf

Ok, those are the results that I sent in, but now looking at my role PM, I never had a kill ability. I must have dreamed that. That is what I sent in however. So, I'm not sure if freezie just ignored my kill action or accepted it. I was never informed that I was being an idiot by sending in an action that I wasn't supposed to have, so I'm not sure. AND, that being said, I still have a roleblock ability. I thought I was out of actions, but I guess not. I need to clarify with freezie.

Come on, Chap...you make it so easy to pick you apart, and this is within the same post that you contradict yourself! Even if you are town, how the hell can we believe you? You've been all over the board this game, and haven't gotten one accusation right. You really tried to kill someone when you didn't have that option?!?! Are you kidding me? Is this your first mafia game? I'm absolutely floored at this point. I'm almost willing to lynch you for your less than intelligent play...but your changing story is even more mind boggling.

It's like your story and play has been so bad, that I can't believe you are mafia, because mafia should have put together a better story than what you have...this is so dam confusing...I've gotta settle down and have a fresh look later tonight...

[everywhere116]

First of all, mc, quit trying to say that James and Lily are strong claims. They are not strong at all.

Second, Tails, it's very easy for mafia to get town cred and a win if they throw other members under the bus. Perhaps you aren't mafia and you're third party. I don't know. All I know is that you're lying again.

I have no problem telling my night actions now because they are all used and I don't think I can get anyone else to slip up, as Tails did, by keeping them a secret. And, btw, keeping them a secret is a good move, because it makes the mafia wonder what actions I have. They don't know if I am holding anything back or if I am truly out of actions.

Night 1: Investigated IB, Result: Not a wizard
Night 2: Tried to kill IB, he didn't die and when I questioned freezie, I didn't have the ability any longer.
Night 3: Tried to track Neb and got no result. I asked if I still had the ability and was informed that I did.
Night 4: Tracked strike wolf, he visitied Neb.
Night 5: nothing
Night 6: Used a doctor ability on strike wolf

Ok, those are the results that I sent in, but now looking at my role PM, I never had a kill ability. I must have dreamed that. That is what I sent in however. So, I'm not sure if freezie just ignored my kill action or accepted it. I was never informed that I was being an idiot by sending in an action that I wasn't supposed to have, so I'm not sure. AND, that being said, I still have a roleblock ability. I thought I was out of actions, but I guess not. I need to clarify with freezie.

Come on, Chap...you make it so easy to pick you apart, and this is within the same post that you contradict yourself! Even if you are town, how the hell can we believe you? You've been all over the board this game, and haven't gotten one accusation right. You really tried to kill someone when you didn't have that option?!?! Are you kidding me? Is this your first mafia game? I'm absolutely floored at this point. I'm almost willing to lynch you for your less than intelligent play...but your changing story is even more mind boggling.

It's like your story and play has been so bad, that I can't believe you are mafia, because mafia should have put together a better story than what you have...this is so dam confusing...I've gotta settle down and have a fresh look later tonight...

No fair, I was going to tear him a new one! Also, your last line reminds me of a quote from South Park: "No, God, if I wanted to build a chemical weapons factory, I wouldn't make it look like a chemical weapons factory, I'd make it look like...a chocolate chip cookie factory...or something."

[Iron Butterfly]

Let me get this straight. You tried to have me lynched based on the fact that I didn't die because of a non existent kill action? I am not even going to bother to re-post all the quotes from arguments you made explaining why you were so right in your logic. "I was still alive so I must be scum".

Up until this point you kept this quiet AND you still have tried to have me killed? Now low and behold you find out you can block someone? All this comes out AFTER you have painted yourself into a corner?

I don't buy it at all.

Vote Chapcrap

[chapcrap]

First of all, mc, quit trying to say that James and Lily are strong claims. They are not strong at all.

Second, Tails, it's very easy for mafia to get town cred and a win if they throw other members under the bus. Perhaps you aren't mafia and you're third party. I don't know. All I know is that you're lying again.

I have no problem telling my night actions now because they are all used and I don't think I can get anyone else to slip up, as Tails did, by keeping them a secret. And, btw, keeping them a secret is a good move, because it makes the mafia wonder what actions I have. They don't know if I am holding anything back or if I am truly out of actions.

Night 1: Investigated IB, Result: Not a wizard
Night 2: Tried to kill IB, he didn't die and when I questioned freezie, I didn't have the ability any longer.
Night 3: Tried to track Neb and got no result. I asked if I still had the ability and was informed that I did.
Night 4: Tracked strike wolf, he visitied Neb.
Night 5: nothing
Night 6: Used a doctor ability on strike wolf

Ok, those are the results that I sent in, but now looking at my role PM, I never had a kill ability. I must have dreamed that. That is what I sent in however. So, I'm not sure if freezie just ignored my kill action or accepted it. I was never informed that I was being an idiot by sending in an action that I wasn't supposed to have, so I'm not sure. AND, that being said, I still have a roleblock ability. I thought I was out of actions, but I guess not. I need to clarify with freezie.

Come on, Chap...you make it so easy to pick you apart, and this is within the same post that you contradict yourself! Even if you are town, how the hell can we believe you? You've been all over the board this game, and haven't gotten one accusation right. You really tried to kill someone when you didn't have that option?!?! Are you kidding me? Is this your first mafia game? I'm absolutely floored at this point. I'm almost willing to lynch you for your less than intelligent play...but your changing story is even more mind boggling.

It's like your story and play has been so bad, that I can't believe you are mafia, because mafia should have put together a better story than what you have...this is so dam confusing...I've gotta settle down and have a fresh look later tonight...

No fair, I was going to tear him a new one! Also, your last line reminds me of a quote from South Park: "No, God, if I wanted to build a chemical weapons factory, I wouldn't make it look like a chemical weapons factory, I'd make it look like...a chocolate chip cookie factory...or something."

If either of you actually read my post, you would understand that I realized I didn't have a NK in the middle of the post. I didn't change my story.

Let me get this straight. You tried to have me lynched based on the fact that I didn't die because of a non existent kill action?

Did you see my Night 1 action? That's why I tried to get you lynched.

Up until this point you kept this quiet AND you still have tried to have me killed? Now low and behold you find out you can block someone? All this comes out AFTER you have painted yourself into a corner?

How have I kept quiet?

[everywhere116]

If either of you actually read my post, you would understand that I realized I didn't have a NK in the middle of the post.

Captain Obvious to the rescue!

I didn't change my story.

This is kind of the definition of changing your storyl

[chapcrap]

If either of you actually read my post, you would understand that I realized I didn't have a NK in the middle of the post.

Captain Obvious to the rescue!

I didn't change my story.

This is kind of the definition of changing your storyl

Whatever, if you guys want to stake your town rep on lynching the strongest claim in the game, then by all means, go for it. Twist it how you want.

[spiesr]

I for one am leaning more to Chapcrap's side of the argument. Despite the majority of you seeming to you turned against him without having what I would consider sufficient basis for that switch. I suspect that at least one or two of you are just blatantly joining the bandwagon at this point.

1) his claim is strong as the person Lily potter is for sure in the game (I know that because I am James Potter so obviously Lily is in the game too) and there is no counter claim

Unless you have something in your role that states that such a character is in this game, I think you are assuming far too much.

3) He hammered Voldemort

That in no way indicates that he is town. Some players have the foresight not to make their alignment extremely obvious through their vote patterns. Also, at that point the lynch was inevitable so Tailgunner didn't actually harm the scum faction significantly. Someone was bound to hammer Bleed eventually if Tailgunner didn't.

[Iron Butterfly]

If either of you actually read my post, you would understand that I realized I didn't have a NK in the middle of the post.

Captain Obvious to the rescue!

I didn't change my story.

This is kind of the definition of changing your storyl

Whatever, if you guys want to stake your town rep on lynching the strongest claim in the game, then by all means, go for it. Twist it how you want.

As I said earlier, you have never let the facts stand in the way of your opinions.

[Iron Butterfly]

I for one am leaning more to Chapcrap's side of the argument. Despite the majority of you seeming to you turned against him without having what I would consider sufficient basis for that switch. I suspect that at least one or two of you are just blatantly joining the bandwagon at this point.

1) his claim is strong as the person Lily potter is for sure in the game (I know that because I am James Potter so obviously Lily is in the game too) and there is no counter claim

Unless you have something in your role that states that such a character is in this game, I think you are assuming far too much.

3) He hammered Voldemort

That in no way indicates that he is town. Some players have the foresight not to make their alignment extremely obvious through their vote patterns. Also, at that point the lynch was inevitable so Tailgunner didn't actually harm the scum faction significantly. Someone was bound to hammer Bleed eventually if Tailgunner didn't.

Heres the thing Spiesr...When I post I recognize that this is not broadcast radio. If I make a mistake in what I am writing and recognize I have made a mistake I will re write my post to reflect what happened. I don't go "This just in..I made a mistake so please ignore the beginning of my post... here is the real information...no really".

The problem is the mistake only came to light after he was forced to speak or be lynched. How can you NOT see what the PM night actions are? He has said he has spoken to freezie a few times to clarify his actions. You cant tell me he has only looked at his PM once as he has stated he has been confused. I am sorry but it does not make sense or add up.

We are the fools because we see it differently?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Second, Tails, it's very easy for mafia to get town cred and a win if they throw other members under the bus.

pfft, don't lecture me on tactics. I think you're mistaking throwing one, maybe two scummies under the bus for town cred with pretty much massacring about half your team.

All I know is that you're lying again.

I didn't lie the first time. f*ck off about that.

Care to comment on the rest of my bulletins?

-Tails

[Nebuchadnezer]

Here's my one problem that I can't come to grips with...why would the mafia roleblocker target his own player?

TAILS himself noted that PCM targeted Chapcrap on N3. Unless I’m mistaken, that would never actually take place…would it?

[Nebuchadnezer]

Here's my one problem that I can't come to grips with...why would the mafia roleblocker target his own player?

TAILS himself noted that PCM targeted Chapcrap on N3. Unless I’m mistaken, that would never actually take place if Chapcrap were mafia…would it?

EBWOP

[spiesr]

Here's the thing Spiesr...When I post I recognize that this is not broadcast radio. If I make a mistake in what I am writing and recognize I have made a mistake I will re write my post to reflect what happened. I don't go "This just in..I made a mistake so please ignore the beginning of my post... here is the real information...no really".

Well, perhaps I am just looking at this issue in a different way than you are. Something changing from the beginning of a post to the end of it? I know that I have starting a writing posts and by the time I reach the end of writing it my ideas have changed along the way, so I don't see that as an immediate issue as you seem to. In regards to the snafu with his night actions, that possibility doesn't exactly surprise me at this point. I mean, with what I have seen from the modding of this game, it wouldn't really be out of character for Freezie to get an action from a JOATesc role that that role doesn't actually have and then not realize or correct it.

Here's my one problem that I can't come to grips with...why would the mafia roleblocker target his own player?

TAILS himself noted that PCM targeted Chapcrap on N3. Unless I’m mistaken, that would never actually take place…would it?

Under normal circumstances it is very unlikely for a mafia roleblocker to target target his scum mate. However, certain sets of conditions could lead to such a thing happening, at least in theory. If the scum were anticipating a tracker/watcher, and the member being blocked wasn't perform the kill that night and didn't have any important individual actions, then maybe scum could do such a thing in order to screw with said results. If the mafia roleblocker was trying to play as a convincing town roleblocker, he may have his hand forced into blocking the scummiest target. If the member being blocked has some sort of weird ability that is automatically forced to be used, and is blockable, and which the scum are aware of, which could potentially negatively effect the scum (such as killing any random player) then there is an outside chance the the scum could choose the block it.
None of these seem terrible plausible at the moment though.

[Iron Butterfly]

Here's my one problem that I can't come to grips with...why would the mafia roleblocker target his own player?

TAILS himself noted that PCM targeted Chapcrap on N3. Unless I’m mistaken, that would never actually take place…would it?

Third party?

[Nebuchadnezer]

Here's my one problem that I can't come to grips with...why would the mafia roleblocker target his own player?

TAILS himself noted that PCM targeted Chapcrap on N3. Unless I’m mistaken, that would never actually take place…would it?

Third party?

Thank you. That's much more concise than whatever spiesr was trying to write...and it clears my mind a little about lynching Chap. I hadn't thought of that. I was going to go with them both being town and Freezie messing up the actions again...but third party makes more sense.

Vote count?

[Nebuchadnezer]

Chap's got 4 votes. L-2.

I still don't get why he came out with this crap information? Are we painting ourselves into a corner, whereby, if chap comes up town, we are forced to lynch TAILS? Thereby wasting 2 lynches, while mafia pick off more people? Is there perhaps another faction in this game? That doesn't make sense. Why was there no kill last night? Surely someone had to do something that saved/stopped a kill! ...my only other thought is that TAILS and MC are somehow 3rd party, and working together...with claims of James and Lily Potter, both of whom are dead. Come to think of it...we never got TAILS to post his green part.

Before I proceed...TAILS, please post your green part of your message...