[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[rishaed]

The Hotshot lynch was pointless. If Hotshot was truly dangerous to town then it would have been part of all our win conditions to kill him and not an exceptions.

Wow. How wong can you get?

You can only say that because there's outside information from the dead thread.....

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@wing i wanted more detail on why you decided those kills. and what made you think they where good targets. this should be more than a 1 liner post.

White rose was the consensus choice of scum going into N1 so I sheeped to some extent, although as you know he was my second identified scum in my opening post.

DJ needs killing. There is nothing more to say really. Ive called him scum quite a few times.

IB - the rest was nonsense. That comment reads as you talking about me in plural.

Falko - Ive been calling for Alladins lynch since D1 so thats a pointless question. Also, never trust a good player if you font their alignment, theyll play you like a fiddle.

[AladdinSane]

White Rose N1 and DJ N2. I didnt want to shoot Aladdin N2 if there was a vig around shooting the obvious target too.

So let's get this strait: You've been banging on sinse you joined teh game about teh grate need to linch me, but now you claim dat orl dis time you had a NK power and dident target me? Orl becorse you thort their MITE POSIBLY be a vig who even had teh same reed on me as you claim to have, even tho plenny peeplul disagree wit it?

Sory, it just dozent add up. Sounds like you need me ded frum a LINCH only (i.e. lincher), OR

you are Mafia and were hoping you had convinsed a vig to take me out wile you took out another playa you knew was Town. In my mind, dis is now making TWR and DJ look Townish to me, despite there aparent eforts to look scummy.

Does enywun know eny good reeson we shood aksept Wing is Town?

[AladdinSane]

The Hotshot lynch was pointless. If Hotshot was truly dangerous to town then it would have been part of all our win conditions to kill him and not an exceptions.

Wow. How wong can you get?

You can only say that because there's outside information from the dead thread.....

Yeah, but do you tink Marashu is lying about dat? Wot wood be teh point?

[StorrZerg]

I need Tambourine's full claim. And deg to move forward.


Additionally if anyone has info regarding ptlowe death they need to talk about it. Watcher? Did someone bus him? Etc. If it's found latter you with held information about ptlowe death, I'll be strongly pushing for that persons lynch.

AladdinSane, can you claim as well. I'm likely going to advise wing to kill you tonight. I don't think a lynch on you will be productive.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

AladdinSane, can you claim as well. I'm likely going to advise wing to kill you tonight. I don't think a lynch on you will be productive.

All i have ever wanted is for a few people to acknowledge that Aladdin is scum.

[StorrZerg]

Did you think shooting madmitch would have saved him?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Did you think shooting madmitch would have saved him?

Nope, day shot versus night doc doesnt coincide as far as I know. Plus not sure saving Mitch is a good idea.

[AladdinSane]

AladdinSane, can you claim as well. I'm likely going to advise wing to kill you tonight. I don't think a lynch on you will be productive.

Why are you even buying Wing's story when he can't even point to wun kill dat he did? Rish jailing him dozent prove enyting. As I posted erlier, I don't buy it.

Enyway, as a good sitizen, I've oawreddy softclaimed TREE times. I told you to lissen, but you dident lissen. I softclaimed becorse I was wurried my roll wood attrakt an NK atempt. I thort you, as sumwun who embeded sevral sekret mesages in yer posts, mite have picked it up, but you were too focused on my PR.

[AladdinSane]

Insidently, wozent their a new guy who joined teh game? Tom, or sumting? He seems orfully quite.

[StorrZerg]

AladdinSane, can you claim as well. I'm likely going to advise wing to kill you tonight. I don't think a lynch on you will be productive.

Why are you even buying Wing's story when he can't even point to wun kill dat he did? Rish jailing him dozent prove enyting. As I posted erlier, I don't buy it.

Enyway, as a good sitizen, I've oawreddy softclaimed TREE times. I told you to lissen, but you dident lissen. I softclaimed becorse I was wurried my roll wood attrakt an NK atempt. I thort you, as sumwun who embeded sevral sekret mesages in yer posts, mite have picked it up, but you were too focused on my PR.

I'm not focused on you. That's the issue. It's impossible to read your posts in a timely manner and try to figure out what's important. Just be clear. I'm not about to go back and read one of a dozen possible posts that contains a possiblesoft claim. I don't see you making it past the next night phase if you keep up the shroud.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Insidently, wozent their a new guy who joined teh game? Tom, or sumting? He seems orfully quite.

Check player list in opening post.

You have softclaimed so reveal your targets and results.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Insidently, wozent their a new guy who joined teh game? Tom, or sumting? He seems orfully quite.

Check player list in opening post.

You have softclaimed cop so reveal your targets and results.

[Streaker]

Vote count:

AladdinSane (0):
Falkomagno (2): / , benga
Metsfanmax (2): Storrzerg, LUS Tiger Josh,
the white rose (1): Wing

-mtamburini (3): DJPatrick, the white rose, /
-pancakemix (3): DJPatrick, the white rose, /
-virus90 (4): DJPatrick, Falko, madmitch, /

For your information, Day does NOT end when one of bottom 3 are lynched.


Deadline is February 2nd 2016. It takes 12 to lynch (10 for the inactives).

[rizky_biznezz]

Was degs gun from LSU too?

[degaston]

Was degs gun from LSU too?

I wouldn't think so. IB got the 8-ball on the same night, and I doubt LSU could have made two inventions in one night.

It did have kind of an inventor's feel to it, though. 3 settings - Paralyze, Wound & Kill, but no explanation about what Paralyze and Wound would do.

[madmitch]

UNVOTE VIRUS and VOTE PANCAKE MIX At least Virus has posted PCM has not said anything, I ALSO believe that Storr is some type a bus driver not a god ( he thinks he is) he had nothing to do with Mars return, and there is definitely some type of mason group out there, I think WCG ,PT,STORR, and I.B. are town and they might be masons,LSU is 3rd party ,Benga some type of investigator ? another cop ? watcher or tracker ? Is Mars still insane ? don't know but probably anti town, DJ attacking Storr makes him scummy looking ,and I think we should get rid of ALADDIN , I think he is mafia , at least we won't have to read all his posts anymore

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Mars IS town insane cop,
Benga has claimed retired cop
I am not in a mason group

(Use paragraphs and lists Mitch, makes it much clearer)

[degaston]

I think Mitch's only purpose now is to cause problems for town until he is lynched.

[StorrZerg]

I think Mitch's only purpose now is to cause problems for town until he is lynched.

Shot by someone. . We not wasting a lynch on him

[madmitch]

@ WCG Thanks and I will. @ Deg , I am for town and will be happy to be hung if it helped town , Can you say that?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

What I want to know is how we prove mafia is not lying with such a large a group of people? In the end we can only lynch one person. There is absolutely no reason for it. The majority rules.

Wrong question.

At the moment mafia have enough information to use their roles highly effectively. They have five high value targets identified. (presuming true claims, but they know which are fake anyway). Cop, Jailer, Reviver, Inventor and CPR Doc.

Conversly, town do not have enough information to use their roles effectively. Claiming gives little additional benefit to mafia, but gives massive benefit to town.

Effective use of roles, means more information for town, means higher hit rate on lynches, means town win.

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@ slash: I see you build up a case there. I attribute it as I am high in your radar, as we used to play some time ago. You are also higher in my radar than others.

You don't think that the ptlowe claim was unnecessary, risky and in general terms a bad decision? After all, it got him NK'ed.

As you can see in those posts, I was noting a connection between ptlowe, Snorr, IB and benga, and later I include also wing in that group. To me was (still is) weird that people play organized, agreeing really fast to each other, and joining bandwagons in block. To me, specially in early days, is a scummy behaviour. You see a point there?

Now, we have indeed other elements of judgment, and pretty much has storr cleared, and also ptlowe confirmed, but at the D2 we didn't have that information.

In the other hand, whatsausage lynch was the best case of D2, and as i say then, i consider him to play against town in both of their powers, and also he lost interest in defend himself...I dotn see why my vote is suspicious for you? what about the other votes?

Now, I see this is a traditional way to play mafia, trying to find patterns, but in this game we have to consider all this claiming and extra powers on it . We have cops, doctors, gods, claimed. What are your thoughts about this mass claim thing?

Yes, I thought town cop claiming was a damn stupid thing, but did it make me suspicious? No, not really. I personally expect scum to move with bit more subtly. Plus Insane cop had just died, and in any typical game, Insane cope comes with the assumption of Sane cop. I was confident that he would have been counterclaimed if lying. Either way, mafia 101, you don't lynch the claimed cop, and you don't lynch the claimed doc, those are pretty much the two golden roles token to every single game that isn't pure vanilla.

Yes, I can see how a few players seem to be buddying a bit, it is a bit disconcerting, strategically... As for the scumminess, I'm on the fence. Whatsausage was a fair lynch, I just found it a bit odd that it suddenly picked up so much power right when we started saying "Wait, I bet town can really use this role...".

I am against a mass-claim, like I said, this is not a NV game, nor it is it a game with standard balance or setup. All bets are off on Streaker's meta as a mod, and that's the one thing that you really, really need to know when weighing roles in a mass claim. Like IB said, PT couldn't be saved despite being the town cop, not a peep from watchers or trackers either. What are the chances any other power roles are going to be safe?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

What are the chances any other power roles are going to be safe?

They are not, but some of the most potent town roles are already claimed so cut the crap.

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What are the chances any other power roles are going to be safe?

They are not, but some of the most potent town roles are already claimed so cut the crap.

Right, "All the idiots have already jumped off the bridge, hurry up and follow us!". Just let it be known whose fault it is when town loses.