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[strike wolf]

Im lazy with my vote and dont think he will be lynched immediately. Streaker to clarify, all actions targeting Storr and Dd would be switched N2 or the actions that they have would target each other?

As far as the cruciatus curse, I confirmed that it was not activated by talking about it on the mason board. I would suggest that if anyone was hit by it last night, you should come forward in case there is a poison doctor in the game.

[degaston]

Thanks MudPuppy.

There's plenty of time until the deadline, and I think it should be used wisely. No need to rush a lynch yet.

The Storr/Streaker message is very suspicious, but I don't think that we should focus exclusively on that.
Give everyone (Charm, etc.) a chance to check in, talk about what happened yesterday, the lynch, and last night if they choose to.

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

dd - Streaker
Streaker - Storr, Pixar, tonka, aage, SW, dd

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

[StorrZerg]

Streaker you are saying any action I could have used last night, is instead of being used on my target is now used on dd5, and vise verse?

[sempaispellcheck]

Each night, I may target a player and use Confundus on him. When 2 players are targeted, they will direct their (if any) actions on each other the night of the second confundo.

Without the flavour, it works as a busdriver but each second night (I targeted storr N1, and I targeted DD N2).

Seeing as how Storr got that message, it is possible that DD sent it to him, but not confirmed. It also explains my apparently bad build up case on DD. I was hoping to trap him with it later in the day.

The way I read this, on N2, Storr's action was used on dd and dd's action was used on Storr.

sempai

[dd515087]

Streaker has already claimed - unless you want to lynch him without any further discussion, it's probably best to unvote him for now.

I don't think we can just take claims for granted. It's more likely than not IMO that scum were given fake-claims because there is no way IMO that we have not pressured a single mafia member into claiming out of all the people we have pressured.

I do agree that we need further discussion today before we lynch though. Also, Streaker's only at L-5.

[strike wolf]

Charm, report on what happened yesterday please.

[dd515087]

Each night, I may target a player and use Confundus on him. When 2 players are targeted, they will direct their (if any) actions on each other the night of the second confundo.

Without the flavour, it works as a busdriver but each second night (I targeted storr N1, and I targeted DD N2).

Seeing as how Storr got that message, it is possible that DD sent it to him, but not confirmed. It also explains my apparently bad build up case on DD. I was hoping to trap him with it later in the day.

The way I read this, on N2, Storr's action was used on dd and dd's action was used on Storr.

sempai

That's how I read it too. I was not told that any action was used on me, I'm not sure how much that helps Storr's claim though? It's probably not true that everyone will be informed about spells being used on them.

[charm]

Hi guys! I am slammed at work right now so can't catch up until tonight. Only read the night scene, but figured you would all be on me for what happened. I'll explain more after work, but I was hit with the Imperio curse and unable to vote - I was under someone's complete control. That was not me who placed a VOTE on Pix.

[degaston]

Also, Streaker's only at L-5.

Im lazy with my vote and dont think he will be lynched immediately.

VOTE COUNT
dd - Streaker
Streaker - Storr, Pixar, tonka, aage, SW, dd
With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

I count 6 votes for Streaker, so he's at L-4, and was at L-3. While that message is suspicious, I'm also suspicious of anything that comes from Storr. Especially if aage and dd are on the wagon with him, as they all seem to be very good at lynching townies. Also, dd - trying to cause confusion and perhaps a mis-lynch? The vote count was right there.

Deg - the chaos on D1 is not entirely attributable to Storr. Yes he lead it. But it was town who allowed themselves to be lead on the plan without a second thought. Town wont be so stupid again. Nobody is reading Storr's posts and going, oooh look the 3rd party player said lynch Skills lets all jump aboard anymore.

I'm not so sure that he was right.

[sempaispellcheck]

I was hit with the Imperio curse and unable to vote - I was under someone's complete control. That was not me who placed a VOTE on Pix.

Ah! So that's how that works. Somebody will vote in my name today, but it won't be me.
I'll keep you all posted on what I do with my Patronus - maybe we can use that to find out who's been stealing votes.

sempai

[strike wolf]

unvote for now

So that seems to confirm a poisoner and a vote stealer. Both most likely mafia. To clarify with Sempai, it sounds like you are saying they only stole one of your votes?

[StorrZerg]

unvote
vote dd5

[degaston]

I don't think we can just take claims for granted. It's more likely than not IMO that scum were given fake-claims because there is no way IMO that we have not pressured a single mafia member into claiming out of all the people we have pressured.

I'm not taking his claim for granted, and I'm not trying to defend him. I agree that scum have probably been given fake claims. But I don't see what your justification is to say that it's impossible that we have not had a claim from scum yet. And an any case, there's nothing more to be gained from voting for him until the deadline approaches. Leaving your vote on him just makes a potential mis-lynch more possible.

You, aage, and Endgame do not have much credibility in my book because you all seem to be too easily swayed by what Storr says. Whether you're scum, or just gullible, I don't know yet.

Sempai, are you saying that you were hit with Imperio? Charm didn't seem to be able to say much in the forum.

And has anyone noticed how Ragain has been flying under the radar the whole game? He doesn't make many votes, those he makes are pointless, and hardly anyone seems to have voted for him.

[degaston]

fp'd by Storr

EBWOP - Sorry - Ragian

[sempaispellcheck]

I got hit with the Imperius Curse last night, and lost my normal vote. My second (patronus) vote still works, but I cannot vote in the thread today.

If charm wasn't able to say much, I don't think it was because of the curse - the mod didn't say anything other than what I posted, as quoted above.

sempai

[got tonkaed]

It seems fairly evident at this point that charm either misunderstood or chose not to post much D2 based on the fact that the mod hasn't warned sempai.

[degaston]

This is another reason to not let a vote count get too high on anyone. One scum has the equivalent of a double vote, and it appears that we wouldn't even know about it until epitaph updates the vote count.

[got tonkaed]

Degaston - Do you feel the claim from Streaker holds up?

I don't necessarily, which is why I am keeping my vote on him. I just don't see how the mafia could be so incredibly lucky that the busdriver's name ends up on that message, unless we have a scum pair of storr/dd.

So with that being said, do you feel like a scum double voter is in a huge rush to see a vote place on Streaker?

[degaston]

Degaston - Do you feel the claim from Streaker holds up?

No, not really. But I find that message pretty strange also. It sounds like it's from Voldemort, but why would a player write a message like that? Did the mod give him a format he had to use? Why would he use streaker's name instead of the character name? Especially when he knew that there was a bus driver around.

Could Filch be a fake claim for Voldemort, and he made that message up himself? I know he likes to play with a lot of "flavor". There have been a lot of people who either followed him, or refused to vote for him. He's an experienced player - maybe he chose to try to hide in plain sight? Just a crazy idea that popped into my head. I have no proof right now.

So with that being said, do you feel like a scum double voter is in a huge rush to see a vote place on Streaker?

I have no idea how many scum there are. Obviously, it would be very incriminating to hammer someone just a few hours into the day if he did flip town. But when dd mis-states the vote count, and we have a vote stealer out there, the hammerer could say that it wan't their fault.

[StorrZerg]

Got me. I'm Voldemort and I claimed to squib. Made everything up.

[MudPuppy]

Got me. I'm Voldemort and I claimed to squib. Made everything up.

I knew it... Nice job forcing the confession, Deg.

Vote StorrZerg

[strike wolf]

Im assuming Storr is being sarcastic.

As far as vote count, i say we assume that there are always two more votes than what we believe on the count.

[MudPuppy]

It just occurred to me that Storr's confession might have included a touch of sarcasm, despite the lack of rolling eyes...

Unvote

[got tonkaed]

So here is my thing...I am all for making sure we don't quick lynch someone but I also want there to be some logic behind it and not just all willy nilly.

We don't need to know how many scums there are to make an assumption that a scum secret vote is not likely going to go on scum.

I think we are project a little too much into the form of the message. It seems just as likely as not that the mod wrote the message and that whoever sent it just needed to put a name in there. If Storr had faked the message, the mod likely would have stepped in, as that doesn't seem to be the type of thing that can be faked as coming from the mod.

So the question of note would be who would have sent the message to streaker that somehow got busdriven to Storr. We don't need to know who the actual busdriver is to lynch the guy who under the current scenario seems fairly likely to be lying about being the busdriver.

FP by a bunch of sillyness.