Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[aage]

Am I really that important in your life?

Your character is pretty important to my character, and the game in general, if that's what you mean.

Anyway.. you guys are so impatient. Like seriously. My dad ended up in the hospital last night before the time I planned on posting, then I had to go to bed, then I had school. Chill.

Thanks and take care, but how do you expect us to know this? You were

To drag this on further because Aage and Edoc seem to think I love doing that, so I will do it a bit more intentionally just to satisfy them I do so enjoy making those two happy and giving them what they wish for

NO! We DON'T love it! That is why we are giving you all this crap! Seriously, now you're just being unreasonable. We are asking you to stop holding up the game and give us the info already and you blame US for not doing anything? Get the hell out of here!
not seriously, but knock off the act, it does not look good on you.

The.. person.. who.. I.. saw.. visit.. GhostlySG7 was..

^ Can you find it in the text?

This is ridiculous... I really don't understand why I put up with this.

But anyway. SG7, got anything to say for yourself? Ghostly, noticed any change? Got a pair new sunglasses last night?

[vodean]

OK! EVERYBODY! STOP FLAMING AND TROLLING! IF ANYONE ADDS TO THIS, I AM REPORTING ALL OF YOU!!

[aage]

Anyway.. you guys are so impatient. Like seriously. My dad ended up in the hospital last night before the time I planned on posting, then I had to go to bed, then I had school. Chill.

Thanks and take care, but how do you expect us to know this? You were saying that you would share them at night, and we waited a day without hearing a word. Whatever happened in your life sounds terrible and I wish you all the best, but can you blame us for our ignorance?

yeah...

[jak111]

I've given the information, sheesh. Settle down. It's more toward Edoc at the moment because he's sheeping your thing. Sure, you're upset about what I'm doing, but doesn't mean he needs to add anything more to it, that creates more drama.

No, I don't blame you. A lot of my last post was sarcasm to lighten up the tension in here. Everyone is so up tight that some 'comic relief' as is used in plays is needed to get people relaxed.

Anyway, now do you see why I was giving him time? People are already on him. So time to confess is what I personally think was right. He's had overtime to do so.

[DoomYoshi]

vote shield

[aage]

Anyway, now do you see why I was giving him time? People are already on him. So time to confess is what I personally think was right. He's had overtime to do so.

Hmm, okay. I still disapprove, but you gave the result so I will hold to my word. I doubt we will need much pressure in terms of voting on Shield, it's pretty clear he's going to have to give an explanation or else.

[Leehar]

If I'm reading the last couple of pages right, the gist of the case on Sg7 was that he was supporting clever (lynched mafia) and now jak's track? (is there anything else)
Seems a good a case as any, I'll wait on voting him until we get a vote count, and/or shield responds to the accusations

[edocsil]

Not impressed with the theatrics, but that you all the same for the track Jak. Still uncertain that this is really going to help ID scum, but we will see where it goes.

[betiko]

If I'm reading the last couple of pages right, the gist of the case on Sg7 was that he was supporting clever (lynched mafia) and now jak's track? (is there anything else)
Seems a good a case as any, I'll wait on voting him until we get a vote count, and/or shield responds to the accusations

He voted clever to immediately unvote for no reason then kept on acting falsely surprised with anything, he s been doing the usual sg7 stuff jokeclaiming scum and has been trying to influence a lot not to Lynch clever..

[thechuck51]

The.. person.. who.. I.. saw.. visit.. GhostlySG7 was..

^ Can you find it in the text?

I like to think I'm a pretty intelligent guy and I didn't find it

but apparently its SG7 so unvote vote SG7

by my count that puts him at L-3

ooohhhhhhhhh... now that I'm quoting the post I see it

[jak111]

The.. person.. who.. I.. saw.. visit.. GhostlySG7 was..

^ Can you find it in the text?

I like to think I'm a pretty intelligent guy and I didn't find it

but apparently its SG7 so unvote vote SG7

by my count that puts him at L-3

ooohhhhhhhhh... now that I'm quoting the post I see it

Haha, yea. I'm a crafty bugger I put it in the paragraph below it as well for emphasis.

Anyway, I'm gonna wait until he comes forward and at least claims before my vote goes onto him, but it's not looking too good at the moment.

[everywhere116]

He is only at L-3, however. Given that my vote will be worthless if not used soon, Vote SG7

L-2 now.

[pmchugh]

I'm actually quite suspicious of the claimed players, because that is who I would recruit not ghostly. Either that or I would go for a vet like edoc (or myself from someone elses POV).

I think that information is important though at this stage in the game so I can agree with jak about ghostly. Although I have to say that I don't think doom should have claimed the hide action (it makes you vulnerable and gives the mafia more to work with) and it doesn't clear hippo given the high chance of him being recruited.

I would say nil chance of recruitment. Why would anyone recruit a mostly inexperienced VT?

Because he is pretty much cleared, he was the safest townie as you showed with hiding behind him. Having the player most likely to be town in your faction is very beneficial. Also a VT is likely a safe recruitment, if you try recruit Neo it may not be allowed etc.

Okay...
In regard to the claims of Neo and Trinity, and I suspect Neo will especially appreciate this...

Bullshit.

Trinity a tracker, okay. Trinity and Neo a couple, okay. Neo bulletproof, okay. Neo a hider? What the actual f*ck.

Vote Doom

I suspect you've been lying to us. I suspect you switched around your claims, Neo is the tracker and Trin is the hider. Lovely little strategy, but you're forgetting that whatever you two don't disclose, town can't use. Stop playing SK and start playing town, for heaven's sake. I completely understand why Edoc'sil would now suspect a recruit between the two of you.

What would be so bad if they switched their claims?

I dislike lying townies. Elaborate plots and schemes are for scum. Secondly, this could easily have gotten them killed if the busdriver drove anyone with Doom. Thirdly, this continues Jak's pattern of deliberately depriving town of information and Godmoding, which is imho a poor way of playing claimed town. Edoc luckily already addressed the small scope that a tracker has anyway, otherwise I would've had so much more to rant about. :p

It's not completely proven that they switched claims, but I refuse to believe that Neo is only a hider.

I can see it as a legit defensive maneuver. For instance, if scum thinks that jak is a tracker when he is a hider and Doom is the opposite, then they would try to kill jak and fail, while avoiding Doom, when he is a prime target.

One thing that bothers me, though, is if they had switched, how could they know the results of their night actions? Presumably saf would only give "Doom's" tracking results to him when day starts, at which point he wouldn't be able to hand it off to jak to claim with.

They actually stated that they had some kind of code for passing information earlier in the day.

so what you guys are saying is that you really think mafia would push for a mafia lynch?

It may be a WIFOM defense but its a lot stronger than your flavor case

It is a pretty standard tactic actually, this is one of the situations in which the WIFOM defence is useless because the deeper layers are actually quite likely.

I think it is claim time for shieldy boy.

[vodean]

and now we wait 24 hours for shield to decide to show up id vote him again for that if i could.

[jonty125]

and now we wait 24 hours for shield to decide to show up id vote him again for that if i could.

I think we should give him a bit longer, SG7 can be erratic.

[jak111]

and now we wait 24 hours for shield to decide to show up id vote him again for that if i could.

I think we should give him a bit longer, SG7 can be erratic.

He's had longer Jonty. He's had since I privately outed him at the very start of the day, he would know he'd have to claim or at least pop in but he hasn't even said hey yet for today.

24 hours is agreeable time.

[jak111]

I'm actually quite suspicious of the claimed players, because that is who I would recruit not ghostly. Either that or I would go for a vet like edoc (or myself from someone elses POV).

I think that information is important though at this stage in the game so I can agree with jak about ghostly. Although I have to say that I don't think doom should have claimed the hide action (it makes you vulnerable and gives the mafia more to work with) and it doesn't clear hippo given the high chance of him being recruited.

I would say nil chance of recruitment. Why would anyone recruit a mostly inexperienced VT?

Because he is pretty much cleared, he was the safest townie as you showed with hiding behind him. Having the player most likely to be town in your faction is very beneficial. Also a VT is likely a safe recruitment, if you try recruit Neo it may not be allowed etc.

Okay...
In regard to the claims of Neo and Trinity, and I suspect Neo will especially appreciate this...

Bullshit.

Trinity a tracker, okay. Trinity and Neo a couple, okay. Neo bulletproof, okay. Neo a hider? What the actual f*ck.

Vote Doom

I suspect you've been lying to us. I suspect you switched around your claims, Neo is the tracker and Trin is the hider. Lovely little strategy, but you're forgetting that whatever you two don't disclose, town can't use. Stop playing SK and start playing town, for heaven's sake. I completely understand why Edoc'sil would now suspect a recruit between the two of you.

What would be so bad if they switched their claims?

I dislike lying townies. Elaborate plots and schemes are for scum. Secondly, this could easily have gotten them killed if the busdriver drove anyone with Doom. Thirdly, this continues Jak's pattern of deliberately depriving town of information and Godmoding, which is imho a poor way of playing claimed town. Edoc luckily already addressed the small scope that a tracker has anyway, otherwise I would've had so much more to rant about. :p

It's not completely proven that they switched claims, but I refuse to believe that Neo is only a hider.

I can see it as a legit defensive maneuver. For instance, if scum thinks that jak is a tracker when he is a hider and Doom is the opposite, then they would try to kill jak and fail, while avoiding Doom, when he is a prime target.

One thing that bothers me, though, is if they had switched, how could they know the results of their night actions? Presumably saf would only give "Doom's" tracking results to him when day starts, at which point he wouldn't be able to hand it off to jak to claim with.

They actually stated that they had some kind of code for passing information earlier in the day.

so what you guys are saying is that you really think mafia would push for a mafia lynch?

It may be a WIFOM defense but its a lot stronger than your flavor case

It is a pretty standard tactic actually, this is one of the situations in which the WIFOM defence is useless because the deeper layers are actually quite likely.

I think it is claim time for shieldy boy.

Anyway, are you trying to bring up old things with this PMC or are you just stating? If you're really trying to bring the case back up about mine and Doom's secrets, I will gladly shoot this down.

[aage]

He's had longer Jonty. He's had since I privately outed him at the very start of the day, he would know he'd have to claim or at least pop in but he hasn't even said hey yet for today.

24 hours is agreeable time.

What do you mean, privately? Did you send him a PM? 'Cause I can't find you mentioning Shield anywhere at day start. Or are you referring to your "ultimatum"?

[edocsil]

He's had longer Jonty. He's had since I privately outed him at the very start of the day, he would know he'd have to claim or at least pop in but he hasn't even said hey yet for today.

24 hours is agreeable time.

What do you mean, privately? Did you send him a PM? 'Cause I can't find you mentioning Shield anywhere at day start. Or are you referring to your "ultimatum"?

He is referring to his dumb ultimatum.

[jak111]

He's had longer Jonty. He's had since I privately outed him at the very start of the day, he would know he'd have to claim or at least pop in but he hasn't even said hey yet for today.

24 hours is agreeable time.

What do you mean, privately? Did you send him a PM? 'Cause I can't find you mentioning Shield anywhere at day start. Or are you referring to your "ultimatum"?

Well let's see. Ghostly isn't a huge target during day time atm, so he'd know I was referring to him since he was probably the only person to target Ghostly. <.< If I didn't know you were trying to bait me at the moment I'd be in your face for the above quote.

Definitely Aage, I decided to break game rules and private message SG7, telling him that I tracked him.. For sure...

Fasposted, there was no 'ultimatum', just me giving him a chance to be clean.

[vodean]

i was the one who presented the ultimatum. I will again remind you: please, no flaming.

[jak111]

i was the one who presented the ultimatum. I will again remind you: please, no flaming.

If you think my post was flamming, wow. But anyway, if you thought that then maybe I should take a break tonight -.- Real life issues aren't helping my mood mixed with the heat of the day + the constant nagging from Aage and Edoc agreeing with each other like no one else's opinions even matter.

[aage]

He's had longer Jonty. He's had since I privately outed him at the very start of the day, he would know he'd have to claim or at least pop in but he hasn't even said hey yet for today.

24 hours is agreeable time.

What do you mean, privately? Did you send him a PM? 'Cause I can't find you mentioning Shield anywhere at day start. Or are you referring to your "ultimatum"?

Well let's see. Ghostly isn't a huge target during day time atm, so he'd know I was referring to him since he was probably the only person to target Ghostly. <.< If I didn't know you were trying to bait me at the moment I'd be in your face for the above quote.

Definitely Aage, I decided to break game rules and private message SG7, telling him that I tracked him.. For sure...

Fasposted, there was no 'ultimatum', just me giving him a chance to be clean.

No sarcasm. I was just alarmed by your use of the word "private", I assumed you mentioned his name somewhere and I hadn't seen it. So when I found nothing, I was a bit confused.


Vodean, if you can't stand a little heat, stay away from the kitchen... Mafia accusations can get tough and I won't be handing out teddybears when it happens, so to speak. There is a reason this board used to be in Offtopic. Your constant attempts to block the conversation seem a little futile.
Also, you were not the one who proposed the ultimatum...

[vodean]

actually, i proposed that ultimatum. jaks wasnt an ultimatum. you should use dictionary.com to find out what it actually means.

and if i had thought that was flaming, i would have reported you. im just saying, you can push a case, and then you can do your best to piss people off while pushing a case. look at my case against clever yesterday. i pissed him off a little once. and then i apologized.

[DoomYoshi]

I want to ask which ultimatum you posted vodean, but I don't want the bickering to continue.