[Official] HP Mafia - MVP: Aage - Archive

by **strike wolf** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:00 pm

As far as Storr leading town, I admit. I went with him initially on tbe skills case as a distraction from Mets. It was Skill's actions in response to the case that actually made him seem scummier. Anyways the point is town needs to look inwardly at why they are allowing themselves to be led and not just at who is doing the leading. After all you can say Storr led the lynch yesterday but I pushed on Skill as hard as anyone and without my contrivubution, Mets would have likely been forced to claim yesterday and Storr was more than happy to go that route.

by **Epitaph1** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:14 pm

VOTE COUNT

dd - Streaker, Storr
Streaker - Pixar, tonka, aage, dd

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

by **MudPuppy** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:20 pm

I think town could use a leader to get something done... and, Strike, I'm looking at you to be that lead. While not fully confirmed, you are the closest we have to a validated townie based largely on the mason thing but also on my read of you and BG. You are also a respected veteran mafia player whose lead I think many will follow.

So, who do you think we need to be going after today?

My opinion on Storr is "Play me once, shame on you; play me twice...." That's not to say I would ignore that message he supposedly got last night or any other potential leads he may offer. It was definitely worth getting the claim from Streaker... but I'm pretty skeptical of anything Storr spouts out these days.

by **degaston** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:25 pm

StorrZerg wrote:So I got this msg because of my ability to lead cases.

How did you come to this conclusion?

StorrZerg wrote:I just don't know if the person who sent it is town or mafia.
I don't know who sent it, but there might be a hint.

Later on, you say you thought it was strike, who I'd say was already confirmed as a Miller along with Mets. What was the hint that it was strike? Does this, in any way, look like a message that could have come from a townie?

StorrZerg wrote:I don't think my msg is in relation to what charm got. I wasn't cursed, someone used a spell to send me a short msg on who to lynch.

The message (posted later) doesn't say anything about who to lynch - it talks about acting immediately ("The mourning [sic] will pass."), and telling streaker to take him out. That's not a lynch.

StorrZerg wrote:Someone can confirm the msg. I don't know who sent it. But I have a hint I think

This message looks like it was from scum - How or why would they confirm it? Again, what is this hint about who sent it?

StorrZerg wrote:Actually. Things might be confusing. This msg is fucking weird. It may have been mentioned for streaker...

It sounds like you're trying to think up a lie here.

StorrZerg wrote:I thought you sent it strike.

Why?

StorrZerg wrote:I thought I saw "at" your name, instead it was a comma.

@strike wolf vs ',' - yeah, I can see how you'd confuse the two. :roll:

StorrZerg wrote:The intended target is "boy" I guess, aka harry potter.

The person who wrote it, it'd in the fashion of Voldemort. Shit weird.

Mtam said that he could never die in the night - but now the scum are going to kill him?

StorrZerg wrote:Got permission to post it.
"They are all weak!
The time is now to take our chance and strike at the boy.
Streaker, they are distracteacted while they mourn for their precious little elf.
They are not paying attention as they grieve.
Strike at him Streaker take him out. The mourning will pass in another day or so.
Do not disappoint us!"

Did the misspelled words come from epitaph? Why would the mod write something like this that was presumably meant to be private? Why would anyone? The only one's I've seen try to put much flavor into their posts are you and mitch. And I don't think this originated from mitch.

by **got tonkaed** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:28 pm

Can the mod comment on if they would allow a player to say they received a night action message from the mod while lying and then quote a message?

Seems like this gets figured out one way or the other this way.

by **degaston** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:31 pm

got tonkaed wrote:Can the mod comment on if they would allow a player to say they received a night action message from the mod while lying and then quote a message?

Seems like this gets figured out one way or the other this way.

I assume that any kind of lying is allowed. I'd be surprised if the mod would confirm or deny any statements like this.

by **MudPuppy** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:35 pm

degaston wrote:Did the misspelled words come from epitaph?

Don't think "mourning" was a typo... pretty sure it refers to town's mourning the loss of Dobby.

by **got tonkaed** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:36 pm

I certainly will not assume that it is ok to lie saying that you got permission from a mod to post a pm from the Mod.

Especially when the Mod is picky about PM's in general. That seems kind of game breaking if you ask me. Besides what is the harm? Either the mod comes in and says no that would be allowed in which case we can continue building your case against storr which seems kinda off to me, or we can hear the mod say negative ghostrider, I wouldn't allow that and then we can drop the case and get back to stuff that makes more sense.

by **strike wolf** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:37 pm

I am pushing buttons right noe but I am essentially on my phone all day for this. (My work computer blocks out Conqier Club. Right now, Charm seems townie. The people I am interested in pressuring outside of Streaker are mostly Tonka and Endgame at this point though I am not against the case on DD. I still lean against Aage though Mets mentioned something about his play that I hadnt really picked up on that might be interesting.

by **aage** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:49 pm

got tonkaed wrote:I certainly will not assume that it is ok to lie saying that you got permission from a mod to post a pm from the Mod.

If the mafia weren't allowed to misinform the town, this game would be pointless indeed. The rules concerning fake-quoting a message from the mod are open to interpretation; especially when the mafia fake claims an elaborate role and "asks the mod for clarification" on aspects of it. It would be very bastard modding if the mod came out and said "you didn't send me a pm because that's not your role", or something along those lines. I've seen mods do it in the past and it's a teeth-grinding moment for everyone because you stop playing the game and start playing the rules.

I can see that Storr would assume that this person wanted him to lead a lynch, granted that he assumed the message was intended expressly for him. In fact, if this message is legit, it speaks for him that he shares the message instead of following its orders, even if he may have misinterpreted them.

I'd love for Strike to take the lead for now, it'll be nice to see someone other than Storr doing something useful. Strike, I'd love to know what Mets saw in my playstyle, if you're willing to share it.

by **StorrZerg** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:05 pm

strike wolf wrote:I am pushing buttons right noe but I am essentially on my phone all day for this. (My work computer blocks out Conqier Club. Right now, Charm seems townie. The people I am interested in pressuring outside of Streaker are mostly Tonka and Endgame at this point though I am not against the case on DD. I still lean against Aage though Mets mentioned something about his play that I hadnt really picked up on that might be interesting.

dd sending me a msg doesn't interest you?

If what streaker says is true, then its possible he visited me.

by **Epitaph1** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:06 pm

No comment.

by **dd515087** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:11 pm

degaston wrote:With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

I count 6 votes for Streaker, so he's at L-4, and was at L-3. While that message is suspicious, I'm also suspicious of anything that comes from Storr. Especially if aage and dd are on the wagon with him, as they all seem to be very good at lynching townies. Also, dd - trying to cause confusion and perhaps a mis-lynch? The vote count was right there.
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No I just can't count. My bad.

I'm sorry I just so happened to be on the lynch both times? Could it possibly be because I agreed with them at the time? *gasp* Also why do people keep leaving Endgame out when mentioning that aage and I were both on the wagon? He has been much less active and has contributed a hell of a lot less than either of us.

degaston wrote:This is another reason to not let a vote count get too high on anyone. One scum has the equivalent of a double vote, and it appears that we wouldn't even know about it until epitaph updates the vote count.

True. I didn't think of this. I guess I'll unvote

strike wolf wrote:I am pushing buttons right noe but I am essentially on my phone all day for this. (My work computer blocks out Conqier Club. Right now, Charm seems townie. The people I am interested in pressuring outside of Streaker are mostly Tonka and Endgame at this point though I am not against the case on DD. I still lean against Aage though Mets mentioned something about his play that I hadnt really picked up on that might be interesting.

Why do you think Charm is townie? Also what about aage's play? I feel like that is something you should share with the rest of us.

StorrZerg wrote:unvote
vote dd5

Any particular reason?

Fp'd

by **dd515087** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:11 pm

StorrZerg wrote:
strike wolf wrote:I am pushing buttons right noe but I am essentially on my phone all day for this. (My work computer blocks out Conqier Club. Right now, Charm seems townie. The people I am interested in pressuring outside of Streaker are mostly Tonka and Endgame at this point though I am not against the case on DD. I still lean against Aage though Mets mentioned something about his play that I hadnt really picked up on that might be interesting.

dd sending me a msg doesn't interest you?

If what streaker says is true, then its possible he visited me.

I did not send you a message.

by **StorrZerg** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:12 pm

Btw I thought strike wolf sent it because it included "strike" twice.

I thought it said "strike at Streaker "

Fp Epitaph1

Course mod can't comment. But I wouldn't bs about this.
It would be far easier to say I couldn't, and it would not draw any flags. Only reason I quote it would be because I'm allowed.

Also please, if I'm mafia this msg play would look a whole lot cleaner. Not to mention I wouldn't fumble over something I made up.

by **StorrZerg** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:12 pm

@Dd5 can you disprove streakers claim?

by **degaston** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:13 pm

aage wrote:I can see that Storr would assume that this person wanted him to lead a lynch, granted that he assumed the message was intended expressly for him. In fact, if this message is legit, it speaks for him that he shares the message instead of following its orders, even if he may have misinterpreted them.

I've suspected that you were scum for a while, but your blind devotion to Storr and making apologies for his statements after two days of mis-lynches has me pretty convinced.

In any case, I don't want to lynch you today, or even Storr...

because Ragian is the one who's been casting Cruciatus. I was hoping that an organic wagon could be started on him, so that I could see who would avoid voting for him, but the scum are working too hard to create distractions.

by **StorrZerg** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:15 pm

@Dd5 because streaker claims he forced our actions on each other. You said nothing happened to you, confirms my no wand.

I got something in the night. You could be the reason. I find this a lead.

Lololkl

by **StorrZerg** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:16 pm

Can we force dd5 claim before rage lynch?

by **got tonkaed** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:18 pm

unvote vote Ragian

by **dd515087** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:20 pm

StorrZerg wrote:@Dd5 can you disprove streakers claim?

No. Can you prove that I sent you the message?

degaston wrote:
aage wrote:I can see that Storr would assume that this person wanted him to lead a lynch, granted that he assumed the message was intended expressly for him. In fact, if this message is legit, it speaks for him that he shares the message instead of following its orders, even if he may have misinterpreted them.
I've suspected that you were scum for a while, but your blind devotion to Storr and making apologies for his statements after two days of mis-lynches has me pretty convinced.

In any case, I don't want to lynch you today, or even Storr...

because Ragian is the one who's been casting Cruciatus. I was hoping that an organic wagon could be started on him, so that I could see who would avoid voting for him, but the scum are working too hard to create distractions.

vote ragian $10 says Bellatrix. Also if you were trying to start an organic wagon you should have pushed harder and made more of a case yourself. People will listen to you based on your power, at least I would. If we had made an organic wagon than we could've also seen whether or not he had a fake claim.

by **degaston** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:20 pm

degaston wrote:but the scum are working too hard to create distractions.

StorrZerg wrote:Can we force dd5 claim before rage lynch?

Nice try!

by **got tonkaed** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:21 pm

At the very least if Streaker is not lying about busdriving, he can prove you were supposed to get the message.

by **StorrZerg** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:23 pm

Day doesn't have to end in 24 hours. And while you may have found mafia, exploring this msg, and streakers power is worth looking into.

by **dazza2008** on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:24 pm

The whole DD, Storr, Streaker thingie has me pretty much confused. I thought at first it looked like Streaker was guilty but then as others said it looks like it could be an attempt to frame him.

The Ragian thing is more straight forward. Vote Rage

Fastposted. I don't get why making DD claim will help us with anything. Surely it will still be as confusing.