San Francisco Mafia- Aage, Safari and Kernov Win!!!

[aage]

Next friday as in tomorrow or next week?
I'm assuming the latter... In either case gl with your exams.

So as a first timer in this game...when does the action begin? When does the lynching begin?
Are you voting for cc players or roles? What is the point of the role if we are just chatting about the cc players.

Can someone set me straight.

The action begins this evening. We will lynch someone and night will start. All night action guys will then use their powers: a cop will investigate, a doc will protect, and the mafia will try to kill someone.
The lynching begins when someone has acquired the majority of the total lynching votes (i.e. 9 votes? otherwise 10).
We're trying to vote for the roles but since we don't know who has which role we try to identify certain player behaviour as scummy, meaning: someone acts strange and is thus regarded as mafia. When someone has been scummy enough Town might want to lynch him or her.
The point of the role while chatting about the players is that every player has a role. We try to identify who has which role and lynch the bad guys.

[VioIet]

Kernov and Drabod have been cleared.


I asked some moderators to check out the situation. They did an isp check to confirm that they are not multi's. I apologize for the accusations they both had to face. Hope your CC experience will be smooth from this point forward.

Let the game continue.

[edocsil]

Kernov and Drabod have been cleared.


I asked some moderators to check out the situation. They did an isp check to confirm that they are not multi's. I apologize for the accusations they both had to face. Hope your CC experience will be smooth from this point forward.

Let the game continue.

Doesn't matter to me, they will always be blacklisted in my games. I don't believe them for a second, any CS major can get around CC checks, and Kernov's post about his kid was just screaming dishonesty.

[kernov]

Ive been totally honest over this.

Cheers edocsil

[edocsil]

Ive been totally honest over this.

Cheers edocsil

Perhaps, I have just seen to many multis to believe innocence just cause someone did an IP check. Perhaps if there was a more open investigation and ender's IP turned up the same as yours I would believe, but as it is I am not convinced. Mostly its cause you type the same way and speak quite similarly as drabod, and someone claimed you where a multi. I will talk to strike and see if he has more info on what was actually found out, I don't like how this was handled behind closed doors with no C&A report.

[kernov]

As ive said i know Drabod but i assure you we are playing fairly and i have apologised for my james behaviour, can you see why i didnt let him play now?

Lets get on with the game this is starting to spoil everyones game and especially violets first game as mod.

[aage]

He's just saying he doesn't believe you. He's not the mod so it's not like he can ban you from this game. I say you rest the issue as well and put up some quality posts instead of "oh mock mock, tear tear, but lets get on with the game" without actually getting on with the game.
I'd like to note I once again agree with Edoc'sil that there should've been a C&AR.

Getting on with the game, can we get a vote count?

[Fircoal]

This game really hasn't seem to have much happen except this thing over two players being multis or nawt and I Don't think that should be debated HERE. Also just to note I started mafia at 13 so it's an ok age to start at. The flow case seemed to have died and while it was a weak lead, and one I don't really believe, it seems all we really had. When was the last vote count? I want to see how many votes he has and who voted him.

[VioIet]

Vote Count

Flow (6)- Commander, LSU, Dazey, Judah, Kernov, Jeraado
Fircoal (1)- edocsil
lildan (1)- Victor
Dazey (1) - aage
aage (1) - Victor
Drabod (1)- lildan
Judah (1)- Tails
Victor (1)- Fircoal

With 18 alive it takes 9 to lynch

[Gabriel13]

My vote isn't up there!

[edocsil]

This game really hasn't seem to have much happen except this thing over two players being multis or nawt and I Don't think that should be debated HERE. Also just to note I started mafia at 13 so it's an ok age to start at. The flow case seemed to have died and while it was a weak lead, and one I don't really believe, it seems all we really had. When was the last vote count? I want to see how many votes he has and who voted him.

What was the cause for voting flow, I know I could easily go back just a few pages and find out for myself, but I am hoping that someone who is already voting flow can summarize their main points and get some discussion moving,

[FiestyLion]

it looks like we are still waiting for 5 people to get off their lazy keister and cast a vote.

At this point no one is really talking except about things non-mafia related, and our only "suspicious" person is Flow. If youre sitting on the fence right now, let me say that Flow has to be the first lynch becuase quite frankly the first kill is always kinda random and its the only person worthy of death at this point. Once we get the 9 votes we need, we will be able to progress to the next day where we will actually find out some useful information for once. We will see 2 people die (probably), and we may get information from a cop.

Also, if you take the word "Flow" and flip it around, it spells "Wolf". What do wolves do? They kill people. Case closed.

[Fircoal]

it looks like we are still waiting for 5 people to get off their lazy keister and cast a vote.

At this point no one is really talking except about things non-mafia related, and our only "suspicious" person is Flow. If youre sitting on the fence right now, let me say that Flow has to be the first lynch becuase quite frankly the first kill is always kinda random and its the only person worthy of death at this point. Once we get the 9 votes we need, we will be able to progress to the next day where we will actually find out some useful information for once. We will see 2 people die (probably), and we may get information from a cop.

Also, if you take the word "Flow" and flip it around, it spells "Wolf". What do wolves do? They kill people. Case closed.

That's a really weak line and your post does not actually tell us why we should lynch Flow. All you say is that he/she is the only suspicious person as of yet, but you don't say why. This post really looks like you're trying to rush us into a lynch that doesn't have the best backing. Makes me suspicious of you.

[karelpietertje]

Announcement.

Finals are coming and while I thought I could hope with them without studying, a B that I got changed my mind a bit. I may be able to post a few things and I may not. If you want to replace me/mod kill me, feel free.

If I'll still be alive by next Friday, I should go back to the regular regime. Thank you for your attention.

Hmm... there's something about you that makes me trust you. Maybe it's just the announcement that's the same for each mafia game you're in, idk.

As for Victor Sullivan, you I am less sure of... The way you reply to posts in one sentence with little contents... just doesn't feel right... FoS Victor Sullivan

Finally the case on Flow, I really don't like his scumminess. Would usually just go with a FoS Flow, but with 5 votes already on him that's a bit empty. Vote Flow

[aage]

it looks like we are still waiting for 5 people to get off their lazy keister and cast a vote.

At this point no one is really talking except about things non-mafia related, and our only "suspicious" person is Flow. If youre sitting on the fence right now, let me say that Flow has to be the first lynch becuase quite frankly the first kill is always kinda random and its the only person worthy of death at this point. Once we get the 9 votes we need, we will be able to progress to the next day where we will actually find out some useful information for once. We will see 2 people die (probably), and we may get information from a cop.

Also, if you take the word "Flow" and flip it around, it spells "Wolf". What do wolves do? They kill people. Case closed.

I was under the impression that everyone was voting him because Commander started doing so because Flow was surprised there was no-one dead after the first night (w00t!11!!! scummy!!1!!) and everyone followed once Flow announced he's town but would ruin his role if he claimed.
(Naturally, by saying this he already ruined his role, so w/e, but that's no reason to lynch him. I'd rather look into the people who are trying to kill someone for no reason whatsoever.)

Anyway, I think I'll unvote first; stuff is getting serious and I don't really feel like having my vote on someone I don't suspect at all.

Looking at page 5 (where all the mess started, afaiks) I see Tails voting for lildanbaasman and Victor following for kicks and giggles, and right after that a post from Kernov:

Hey, bandwagonning can really work on day 1 we got to start pressuring someone to get some answers vote lildanbaasman

I'll just say this... Yeah right.

Then a few votes on Flow follow and Flow makes this post:

Truth of the matter is that I thought since no one died night 1 that I had a pretty good idea of who the mafia's intended target was.
Considering my role is much less useful to town if I get outed (especially this early on), let's leave it at that shall we.

Needless to say, this smells of BP'ness.
Next, Daze is making a case against flow that I will not quote here.
Kernov follows saying:

The fact of the matter is flow your still giving us nothing. To me you sound like your just worming your way out a bad/stupid opening comment. According to your last post this post makes me scum just for speaking up against you, something which so far i havent done i add.

I guess you just haven't read Flow's posts good enough to understand what he's saying.
Next, JudahsLion:

Come on guys! this is my first mafia game and I cant wait to see someone get lynched! ...and by someone, I mean the Mafia of course!

Can we all just agree to vote for Flow just to get the ball rolling?

Needless to say this earned himself some votes.

After that JudahsLion and Kernov keep advocating for his lynch.

However much I feel like getting rid of one of these, the best lead now seems to be Jeraado for wagonning, or Victor for simply being an idiot. I won't risk killing flow since the death of a bulletproof towny will only help the mafia.

vote Jeraado.

[edocsil]

I will Vote Jeraado as well. The argument against flow sounds like it was just about nil, and in no was deserving of a wagon. As Jeraado was the last to join the wagon, he has earned my vote.

[kernov]

Intresting and informative last 2 posts guys but i cant see why Jeerado deserves your votes anymore than flow. Is Flows bulletproof claim really that good? it just seems to good to be true to me, i will defo use it in future games . Seriously tho im finding these day 1's very hard.

[jeraado]

It is from the briarsburg game, he just wanted to head it off before anything bad happened again.

Ok I read through 20-odd pages from Briarsburg to get some context on this (don't try it at home, kids) and basically as I understand it a few people jumped on daze as a starting vote for colour, then a couple more did, then some others went on the bandwagon for light reasons, and ultimately she was forced to make a roleclaim. I couldn't bear to read any more so didn't see what ultimately happened, but I don't think someone jumping in to prevent that happening here is suspicious.

I didnt really find violet's confusion suspicious at first; even though it is my first game with night 0 actions I assumed they wouldnt apply to a scumkill, but I figured she might have just had a fuzzy logic moment. However this is suspicious:

Truth of the matter is that I thought since no one died night 1 that I had a pretty good idea of who the mafia's intended target was.

How the heck would you have an idea of who the mafia's target was before the first day, unless its you? Coupled with this quote

Considering my role is much less useful to town if I get outed (especially this early on), let's leave it at that shall we.

Suuure. I'd like to hear flow's explanation

Also, daze, personally I don't mind the pink for a line or two, but for blocks of text would you compromise and just stick your summary/vote/fos in pink or purple?

Remember this? I was last to actually vote flow (since he wouldn't give an answer), but I was asking the questions early on, before most of the other votes for flow. Seems like a mighty big jump to see bandwagoning from that

[Fircoal]

Intresting and informative last 2 posts guys but i cant see why Jeerado deserves your votes anymore than flow. Is Flows bulletproof claim really that good? it just seems to good to be true to me, i will defo use it in future games . Seriously tho im finding these day 1's very hard.

Day 1's are hard. He seems more scummy because Flow doesn't really seem that scummy. Just because he asks a question does not mean that he is scummy and worth a lynch. There can be many reasons to it. I think that you guys are playing too heavy into lynching him.

[Victor Sullivan]

I will Vote Jeraado as well. The argument against flow sounds like it was just about nil, and in no was deserving of a wagon. As Jeraado was the last to join the wagon, he has earned my vote.

Oo! This looks like fun! *hops in* unvote vote jeraado

[dazerazer]

Okie dokey ya'll, this is nonsense.

Where did Flow say he was bulletproof? I read all his post and I don't see that anywhere? Where ya'll be gettin that from?
Also, ain't only Godfather's bulletproof. So ya'll saying Flow is the godfather. Yet because he's the GodFather, ya'll don't wanna to vote him. What kinda sense is that????

And FOS all those who be sayin the case against Flow is weak.
FOS Aage
FOS Edocsil

Ya'll both trying to disprove some obviously suspicious behavior from Flow.
Which means, if Flow the mob, you both the mob too.
If Flow ain't the mob, ya'll both are still the mob.

Flow Stated
He knows who the mafia intended target was
How do you know that?? Ya'll just can't be letting somethin like that slide. That's how the mob gets away. You just don't say somethin like that in a mafia game. It's somethin the mob would say.
You betta start spillin soon....

I see nothing suspicious about Jeraado. He one of the few makin sense in here!

[kernov]

Im liking your thinking Daze im more inclined to think bad of flow rather than jeraado. Anyone sticking up for flow at the moment doesnt automatically mean they are scum, i see Sully has jumped on the new wagon to rather quickly .

Am i also correct in saying other roles can also be bulletproof under certain criterias?

[edocsil]

Okie dokey ya'll, this is nonsense.

Where did Flow say he was bulletproof? I read all his post and I don't see that anywhere? Where ya'll be gettin that from?
Also, ain't only Godfather's bulletproof. So ya'll saying Flow is the godfather. Yet because he's the GodFather, ya'll don't wanna to vote him. What kinda sense is that????

And FOS all those who be sayin the case against Flow is weak.
FOS Aage
FOS Edocsil

Ya'll both trying to disprove some obviously suspicious behavior from Flow.
Which means, if Flow the mob, you both the mob too.
If Flow ain't the mob, ya'll both are still the mob.

Flow Stated
He knows who the mafia intended target was
How do you know that?? Ya'll just can't be letting somethin like that slide. That's how the mob gets away. You just don't say somethin like that in a mafia game. It's somethin the mob would say.
You betta start spillin soon....

I see nothing suspicious about Jeraado. He one of the few makin sense in here!

Daze, I have run into more bullet-proof townies then I have Godfathers, but you do bring up some other interesting points

[Drabod]

Come on guys! this is my first mafia game and I cant wait to see someone get lynched! ...and by someone, I mean the Mafia of course!

Can we all just agree to vote for Flow just to get the ball rolling?

I agree; vote Flow520.

First Set of band wagoning - possible joke

Come on guys! this is my first mafia game and I cant wait to see someone get lynched! ...and by someone, I mean the Mafia of course!

Can we all just agree to vote for Flow just to get the ball rolling?

I agree; vote Flow520.

wtf mate?

He's a newb. I say this proves his innocence.

More noncence from sully.... self explanatory noobs can still be experienced elsewhere

FoS no-one in particular

WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?!?!? VOTE AAGE for obvious reasons.

Again a joke from sully, but not the first or one off.

*Ahem* Excuse me, unvote vote aage.

EBWOP

-Sully

Plain stupidity at forgetting to unvote.

I will Vote Jeraado as well. The argument against flow sounds like it was just about nil, and in no was deserving of a wagon. As Jeraado was the last to join the wagon, he has earned my vote.

Oo! This looks like fun! *hops in* unvote vote jeraado

And then lastely more band wagoning, i dont understand what hes trying to prove or achieve but throughout the game he has posted complete noncence and band wagoned throughout, this earns my vote until he has explained himself - atleast he cant bandwagon this time VOTE Victor Sullivan

[aage]

Okie dokey ya'll, this is nonsense.

Where did Flow say he was bulletproof? I read all his post and I don't see that anywhere? Where ya'll be gettin that from?
Also, ain't only Godfather's bulletproof. So ya'll saying Flow is the godfather. Yet because he's the GodFather, ya'll don't wanna to vote him. What kinda sense is that????

And FOS all those who be sayin the case against Flow is weak.
FOS Aage
FOS Edocsil

Ya'll both trying to disprove some obviously suspicious behavior from Flow.
Which means, if Flow the mob, you both the mob too.
If Flow ain't the mob, ya'll both are still the mob.

Flow Stated
He knows who the mafia intended target was
How do you know that?? Ya'll just can't be letting somethin like that slide. That's how the mob gets away. You just don't say somethin like that in a mafia game. It's somethin the mob would say.
You betta start spillin soon....

I see nothing suspicious about Jeraado. He one of the few makin sense in here!

FoS Daze for skimming. Seriously. All of you voting for flow. Think.

Oh, never mind. I'll do it for you.

Truth of the matter is that I thought since no one died night 1 that I had a pretty good idea of who the mafia's intended target was.

I think you will agree with me that in this case Flow is assuming that if the mafia had a NK during night 0, he himself was the target (since he is bulletproof...), otherwise there would be no reason to have an idea on who the target would have been. Except if he were the mafia himself, in which case he's an idiot and should've PM'd VioIet. Since I don't like to think people are idiots before having evidence for it I stay with my first theory.

Considering my role is much less useful to town if I get outed (especially this early on), let's leave it at that shall we.

Naturally bulletproof townies don't like getting outed since that would mean the mafia won't try to NK them, which removes a slight advantage for town from their role. If the mafia would still target him with their NK, they wouldn't succeed and thus lose a NK.

I'm going to have to leave it at this. To say anything more would seriously reduce town's chances of winning.

see above

As previously stated, for the good of town, I'm not giving out anymore of my role information unless I am forced to do so.

again, see above


I'd like to quote spiesr from Briarsburg ("stop adding 1+1 and getting "dolphin"") but that's not what you're doing. You're simply refusing to add 1+1, which is possibly even worse.

Moving on...

Intresting and informative last 2 posts guys but i cant see why Jeerado deserves your votes anymore than flow.

well... Flow's hunching towards being a bulletproof towny and I don't like killing off bulletproof townies. Especially during day 1.

Remember this? I was last to actually vote flow (since he wouldn't give an answer), but I was asking the questions early on, before most of the other votes for flow. Seems like a mighty big jump to see bandwagoning from that

I remember that, but it's the only post I found where you were not following other players nearly blindly. Thus my vote.

i dont understand what hes trying to prove or achieve but throughout the game he has posted complete noncence and band wagoned throughout, this earns my vote until he has explained himself - atleast he cant bandwagon this time VOTE Victor Sullivan

I would have agreed with you but I seriously don't think Victor is doing this because he's scummy... I think he is trying to prove a point but I don't really care what it is. We can always resort to him later, if the leads that matter have died out.