Rolegift Mafia, All Present

[aage]

But that plan could be useless if the mafia doesn't follow it for instance, how would we figure out if it's being well followed or not? And more importantly what about the towns that could be below a scum and with doc or cop power? Scum would know to kill that person right away then, I don't get it... It might make sense if you want to set up a kinda mass gift claim day 2 but it wouldn't help the slightest to hunt scum either.

I've been thinking and I don't think this is going to happen. If I were scum and I'd get a cop gift from the person below me every night, I wouldn't really kill that person. That'd just be stupid. Scum gains an investigation every night and don't have to tell town about it.

Also, vote karel. I don't think we're lynching mafia here but the chance is higher than other players. And besides that, regarding the setup it'll be best to go into night as quickly as we can. I'm very interested in what'll happen.

[karelpietertje]

Again, this was never about a massclaim.
Anyway, if you are going to use things I have said I would prefer you to quote things I have actually written. While the first comment in red accurately paraphrases something I wrote, the second one does not. (The 'a massclaim gives mafia no chance so it's not fun for me' one) That is not something I wrote, that is how you interpreted something I wrote. To put it out in a way that looks like a quotation is misleading.

I paraphrase a lot in my posts. I try to always use single quotes if so, and double quotes when it's literally what somebody wrote. I thought this was a common way people do it, and I was not trying to mislead anyone.

Dang, we're really going the wrong way now, with people putting votes on me. You must realize that when deadline was announced I had no need to put my head on the line. If I were mafia, I would not have tried to make a case at all...

[karelpietertje]

forgot to add two things:
-that in the case of 'a massclaim gives mafia no chance so it's not fun for me' I explained in the same sentence how I did not believe anymore that it meant that. I wrote it like that because literally that's what I read (and which it means, depending on where you put the stress when speaking the sentence).

-unvote skoffin. I guess the case is too thin, most of the reason/arguments have been taken down, and we wouldn't reach a lynch anyway.

[spiesr]

Scum won't lose much by not giving away info, but we have a long way (at least 2 or 3 game-days) ahead of us figuring out our own and others' presents, and scum will definitely try to spread a lot of confusion in this.

First off, I don't see why we even need to figure out what our gifts our. As long as there aren't any overtly negative gifts out there then you will pretty much make the same decision regardless of what the exact power it is. Meaning, that you will basically want to send whatever power you have to whomever you think is among the best town aligned player. Secondly, why would the scum try to spread confusion in regards to this? If they lie about anything regarding gifts there is a chance that someone could catch that they lied. So while they could try to gain some sort of advantage by making the town a little more confused, the risk of them being caught doing so seem to greatly outweigh any potential benefits.

I've been thinking and I don't think this is going to happen. If I were scum and I'd get a cop gift from the person below me every night, I wouldn't really kill that person. That'd just be stupid. Scum gains an investigation every night and don't have to tell town about it.

Um, if the plan you are referring to here is the one that's purpose would be to unmask everyone's gifts by having them send their gift to a specific person, then this scenario would not actually occur. That plan, as I understand it, would ideally have everyone's gift figured out by day 2. After that people would presumably be able to send gifts to whomever they thought would be the best person the have their gift. They would definitely not be forced to gift to the same person every night, that would be even more stupid than the plan itself.

You must realize that when deadline was announced I had no need to put my head on the line. If I were mafia, I would not have tried to make a case at all.

Unless, of course that your scumbuddy was the person with the most votes when the deadline was announced. At that point you may have decided to try to help them out by trying to build a case against someone else, knowing that the case didn't have to be exceptionally strong, that once you got that new bandwagon to have more votes than the previous one inertia would carry it to the deadline.
At this point, that actually seems like it might be the best case we have at the moment, so I will unvote Vote karelpietertje.

[karelpietertje]

spiesr, that's just bullshit.

This was just before I voted for skoffin:

gosh, for two continuous pages there was no mention of the word "vote", is that close to a record? if not, you people are boring, what happened to day one bandwagons for no reason at all?

Vote count

Commander9; 1 vote: Campin_Killer
Fircoal; 1 vote: karelpietertje
karelpietertje; 1 vote: Haggis_McMutton
Skoffin; 3 vote: spiesr, naxus, ga7
safari; 2 votes: aage, Mr. Squirrel
Campin_Killer; 1 vote: safariguy5

It takes 8 to lynch, 1 bored mod to gamble with your lives, deadline Tuesday!

I actually voted on the person with the most votes, so your scumbuddy-theory doesnt work out at all.
talk about submarining....

[ga7]

Reading Karel posts I'm starting to have doubts, but I do think a lynch is needed even if it's a shot in the dark. Your arguments for wagonning SKoff were not as bad as mine, but it still doesn't look like you misunderstood something so it still feels a bit scummy wagon vote to me. A bit different from making a case from scratch if you were just voting the person with most votes...

[Mr. Squirrel]

Well, karel's defense is ok... not great but ok. But we still need an actual lynch... I'm gonna unvote vote spiesr Just because he didn't look back before he stated that karel was protecting a scumbuddy. It seems he is making accusations without basis just to keep the karel wagon strong.

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Vote count

Commander9; 1 vote: Campin_Killer
karelpietertje; 4 votes: Haggis_McMutton, ga7, aage, spiesr
Skoffin; 2 votes: naxus, safariguy5
spiesr; 1 vote: Mr. Squirrel

it takes 8 to lynch! I'll be sending some prods to anyone inactive since that seems to also be the total number of voters. deadline tuesday

[The Weird One]

Sorry, last week and this week are midterms for us [quarter system]. I'll try to be more active, but I may not be able to until weekendish...I've got two big midterms at the end of this week...

If you feel the need to replace me, please do. If you do not, I will try to be active, but, as I said, I make no promises. I apologize for the inconvenience.

[naxus]

unvote vote karel

Any case here is thin but no action today would be terrible.

[The Weird One]

I agree. Karel's defense is missing something. In addition to that, the impending deadline leaves little choice if we're going to get a lynch in today.

vote karel

[safariguy5]

Well, that's L-2, I don't suppose you have a roleclaim karel?

[kwanton]

And I'll force a lynch -1 since it looks like it's going to happen anyway.
unvote vote karel

Any other defense karel?

[karelpietertje]

FoS on The Weird One and kwanton. It seems like you have no idea what the 'case' is about.
If you would have read the thread, you would know that really there isn't much of a case, besides that a random lynch is better than none.

For what it's worth, here's my claim:
I have received no PM from / whatsoever, I am fully townie, and will send in my gift right now to Mr. Squirrel, who is the only one with his vote on a real case.

Every single one of you has the power to unvote and make the lynch of an innocent townie unlikely. I urge you to do so... For those who just got prodded here, plaese unvote, read back and see what all happened, and make the decision again.

[aage]

Well, that's L-2, I don't suppose you have a roleclaim karel?

"I'm the cop!"
lmao

Still, I would like to know what TWO wants as "additional defence". It's not like Karel can provide any information we don't have.

[Skoffin]

I would like to say that, despite our banter earlier, I do not feel good about this wagon. Despite the insistence on misunderstanding me overall I do not feel that he's all that scummy. I can't really pinpoint why that is so for now I'll call it a 'gut feeling', feel free to take that with a grain of salt.

What is more scummy is those that have seemingly avoided voting on any prior cases but suddenly have come forward, now that there is a wagon that was looking to actually go through, and now are putting votes down. To me it appears as scum hiding in the background, holding their vote until there is a case where they can get a lynch and not have to be too out there.
As mentioned, TWO and Kwanton are looking this way along with naxus. (also, where is camp?)
Spiesr at least came in with his argument for why he's doing it. I think spiesr made a mistake more than anything, so I don't think it's strong enough to suspect him. I don't see a case on him.
Meanwhile safari is looking a bit... nothing. He doesn't really seem 'involved' in lynches, more saying things we already know. It's looking a bit like a smokescreen.

I think we should lynch someone else. I'm looking at naxus, safari or TWO.

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Vote count

Commander9; 1 vote: Campin_Killer
karelpietertje; 7 votes: Haggis_McMutton, ga7, aage, spiesr, naxus, TWO, kwanton
Skoffin; 1 vote: safariguy5
spiesr; 1 vote: Mr. Squirrel

And the deadline has been hit, time to pray for a miraculous smiting from above! or uhhh a save I guess....
let's see, karelpietertje's fate:

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The town was jealous of karelpietertje, with his fancy box of gift cards, a few of those and you could buy and sell any one of the cheap bunch. They surrounded him demanding to each get a gift, he responded he had already sent his to his favorite for the day.
in the end no one else would receive his gift, because his gift envelopes exploded in what can only be described as a "envelope glue manufacturer liability" incinerating karelpieterje as he ran away.

karelpietertje Town Vote Steal Gifter has been deadline killed.
Game is in twilight while I send the gifts.

[aage]

So I suppose he already sent a gift, will the lucky person be able to steal a vote tomorrow?

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So I suppose he already sent a gift, will the lucky person be able to steal a vote tomorrow?

yes indeed, any day actions count before you are lynched.

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Gifts Sent!
night 1 begins!

[karelpietertje]

Ah, most votes gets lynched, not no lynch, like i thought
ah well, have fun y'all!

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That night many gifts were opened, the fortunate few began a war amongst themselves "I know you are scum *name omitted*" said a possessed voice, he shot at his target "I'm not your target! I'm GA7!" "liar! I can see it's you as clearly as I see your shirt!" GA exploded into a dramatic movie explosion the moment the shot hit his gifts (a pile of explosives) engulfing him as he said "No! I switched the names....." The only thing remaining was a name-tag on the ground identifying GA with the name of the real intended target, which the killer took with him. "heh, I knew it was you, liar" said the killer, satisfied as he left the scene.
GA, Town Kill Gifter has been killed!

Day Two begins!
With 12 alive it takes 7 to say who's been naughty and who's been nice, send in your gifts!!

[Mr. Squirrel]

That night many gifts were opened, the fortunate few began a war amongst themselves "I know you are scum *name omitted*" said a possessed voice, he shot at his target "I'm not your target! I'm GA7!" "liar! I can see it's you as clearly as I see your shirt!" GA exploded into a dramatic movie explosion the moment the shot hit his gifts (a pile of explosives) engulfing him as he said "No! I switched the names....." The only thing remaining was a name-tag on the ground identifying GA with the name of the real intended target, which the killer took with him. "heh, I knew it was you, liar" said the killer, satisfied as he left the scene.
GA, Town Kill Gifter has been killed!

Day Two begins!
With 12 alive it takes 7 to say who's been naughty and who's been nice, send in your gifts!!

Damn. This is not good. Not only did we lose a good townie, but one with a valuable role too.

So what did we decide to share about actions during the night? Are we gonna share just our gifts? or are we also gonna say who we used them on?

[safariguy5]

I got an investigation and I used on you Mr. Squirrel and it came up scum.

vote Mr. Squirrel