Romeo and Juliet Mafia - Capulet Victory. +Paris+John

[TheGeneral2112]

I don't buy General's claim of being invincible, but I don't know if I really care either.

Then test it. Or if you are one of the two vigs, then shoot me tonight. See what happens. In other words, nothing.

At some point people are going to want to test my claim. I would rather we get it out of the way now.

Vote thegeneral2112

[jgordon1111]

No general dazza said her role and what it does, I would like her to specifically say she targeted Edoc N1,again I am not skimming I knew exactly what was said and how, I asked specific.

[alt1978]

brother lor and friar lawrence could be one and the same...interesting if it is. it could be that the characters were taken from a movie rather than the text.

I am not friar lawrence. I am brother Lor. kkthx

just to be clear though, i don't know where exactly i got the name brother lorenzo from, but it would have probably been better if i called it frair lawrence/brother laurence. in case people are using the play to know what's going on (as this mafia is based on the play) just replace the name lorenzo for laurence.

While the general appears to perhaps...at least according to his own estimation...invincible...he is clearly not omnipotent as well.

With the friars we have two seemingly investigative powers from the third party non capulet/montehue families. It would stand to reason that there are two lethal third party members as well (the poison dude in the play that gives the poison to romeo and the prince who seems to wield judgement over life and death).

More on the general's invincibility in a minute...but I think dazza claiming friar john may not have been as "retarded" as she has tried to lead us to believe and the claim that the two friars are not connected to each other would be a deviation in this mafia game from Shakespeare's play.
Friar Lawrence gives Juliet a poison to induce her into a deep sleep that looks like death to help get her out of the city. Friar Lawrence then sends Friar John to give Romeo a message that Juliet is sleeping...not dead...but Friar John is too slow...Romeo never gets the message...and Romeo Kills himself...just before Juliet awakes from her potion induced sleep...and Juliet then promptly kills herself with Romeo's dagger.
I apologize to every who knows the story or has looked it up...but I thought a brief summary was in order here to back up my suspicions that the Friars are not linked. In the play they are considered close friends. I'm sure zimmah took liberties with the story to make this work...but it seems something to watch as we move forward.

general's invincibility....
I tend to believe his invincibility claim if he is friar Lawrence (since no counter claims to this point i would probably say that's going to hold up). Friar Lawrence is the last man standing who is the only one to witness the tragic deaths and the only one who knew all of the parts leading up to the end. He is the one retelling the story to the Prince...and to the Capulets and Montegues at the very end.

Therefore I think it is a waste of a vote to vote general...and I would love to hear some more from folks before making a case against anyone. While it seems like the general is combining his role in this mafia game with another mafia game where his role was "town asshole"...I buy his story.

[new guy1]

i agree, he is being quite critical, but i guess he might be having a bad day or it was part of his role. either way, i buy his claim. i believe through his confidence that he is quite invincible, and that does not make much of a difference to me. even though i have not been posting much, i have been reading and i must say this is the first time i have ever seen 3 claims day one with absolutly no pressure being added. more comments later, but i believe any other talk of roles has been covered and i do not see a reason to bring it back up YET. i will try to post more instead of just reading, but sometimes i find it hard to post after reading 6 pages in the morning and then 3 in the afternoon .

[Bleed_Green]

sorry.. was out of town so confirm and I will be got up tomorrow

[jgordon1111]

And I believe alt and new guy 1 are correct as I said earlier going for the lynch on general may be a problem, that being we find out that he is invincible and then we have to start over day 2 pretty much where we would have left D1.

That being said yes Dazza jumped out there quick and confirmed more or less she is the reason we know edocs alignment.

Problem Edoc says he is not a montague.

If Edcoc is not a Montague,then Dazza is lying.

If dazza is not lying then Edoc is.

Edoc made his soft claim because of N1,Dazza didnt have a reason to claim but did in a way that would hang Edoc.

Here is how I see this Even if Dazza is telling the truth, that was a very bad move for two obvious reasons.

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[TheGeneral2112]

With the friars we have two seemingly investigative powers from the third party non capulet/montehue families. It would stand to reason that there are two lethal third party members as well (the poison dude in the play that gives the poison to romeo and the prince who seems to wield judgement over life and death).

1) I have not claimed any investigative powers. Now I am not saying that I do or don't have said powers, but I have not claimed them.
2) Eh, guess that is all.

More on the general's invincibility in a minute...but I think dazza claiming friar john may not have been as "retarded" as she has tried to lead us to believe and the claim that the two friars are not connected to each other would be a deviation in this mafia game from Shakespeare's play.
Friar Lawrence gives Juliet a poison to induce her into a deep sleep that looks like death to help get her out of the city. Friar Lawrence then sends Friar John to give Romeo a message that Juliet is sleeping...not dead...but Friar John is too slow...Romeo never gets the message...and Romeo Kills himself...just before Juliet awakes from her potion induced sleep...and Juliet then promptly kills herself with Romeo's dagger.
I apologize to every who knows the story or has looked it up...but I thought a brief summary was in order here to back up my suspicions that the Friars are not linked. In the play they are considered close friends. I'm sure zimmah took liberties with the story to make this work...but it seems something to watch as we move forward.

I didn't pay much attention to what you just said. Bottom line, I am not linked to any friar/brother/whatever the f*ck else, and I have never claimed that.

general's invincibility....
I tend to believe his invincibility claim if he is friar Lawrence (since no counter claims to this point i would probably say that's going to hold up). Friar Lawrence is the last man standing who is the only one to witness the tragic deaths and the only one who knew all of the parts leading up to the end. He is the one retelling the story to the Prince...and to the Capulets and Montegues at the very end.

Therefore I think it is a waste of a vote to vote general...and I would love to hear some more from folks before making a case against anyone. While it seems like the general is combining his role in this mafia game with another mafia game where his role was "town asshole"...I buy his story.

I am always town asshole. That is my role. No, but seriously, I am an asshole. Sorry, but I am.

[shieldgenerator7]

ok so edoc hinted he wasn't montague. That means either he got bused last night with a montague, he is lying, or zimmah used different colors in the role PMs than he did in the scene, or the reporter is an insane cop type.

I honestly looked over that and didn't catch it, especially because it comes after something totally unrelated in the same post

[jgordon1111]

My belief is we may or may not know who Edoc is,not a problem that cant be dealt with shortly, Better the enemy you know than the one who can reveal your role and is third party.

[zimmah]

i can confirm that the colors are correct.

[chapcrap]

Ok, there are so many inaccuracies about what has happened, it's blowing my mind!!

dazza never said what edocsil was or wasn't. It was zimmah who said that edocsil was aligned with the Montagues. He never said that he was a Montague, just that he was aligned with him. So, edoc can be telling the truth when saying he's not a Montague. And dazza never said anything about edocsil except that he was the one who who caused edoc's role to become public.

With the friars we have two seemingly investigative powers from the third party non capulet/montehue families. It would stand to reason that there are two lethal third party members as well (the poison dude in the play that gives the poison to romeo and the prince who seems to wield judgement over life and death).

1) I have not claimed any investigative powers. Now I am not saying that I do or don't have said powers, but I have not claimed them.
2) Eh, guess that is all.

And he never said you claimed.

More on the general's invincibility in a minute...but I think dazza claiming friar john may not have been as "retarded" as she has tried to lead us to believe and the claim that the two friars are not connected to each other would be a deviation in this mafia game from Shakespeare's play.
Friar Lawrence gives Juliet a poison to induce her into a deep sleep that looks like death to help get her out of the city. Friar Lawrence then sends Friar John to give Romeo a message that Juliet is sleeping...not dead...but Friar John is too slow...Romeo never gets the message...and Romeo Kills himself...just before Juliet awakes from her potion induced sleep...and Juliet then promptly kills herself with Romeo's dagger.
I apologize to every who knows the story or has looked it up...but I thought a brief summary was in order here to back up my suspicions that the Friars are not linked. In the play they are considered close friends. I'm sure zimmah took liberties with the story to make this work...but it seems something to watch as we move forward.

I didn't pay much attention to what you just said. Bottom line, I am not linked to any friar/brother/whatever the f*ck else, and I have never claimed that.

Maybe if you would have paid much attention, you would know that he never said you claimed that.

general's invincibility....
I tend to believe his invincibility claim if he is friar Lawrence (since no counter claims to this point i would probably say that's going to hold up). Friar Lawrence is the last man standing who is the only one to witness the tragic deaths and the only one who knew all of the parts leading up to the end. He is the one retelling the story to the Prince...and to the Capulets and Montegues at the very end.

Therefore I think it is a waste of a vote to vote general...and I would love to hear some more from folks before making a case against anyone. While it seems like the general is combining his role in this mafia game with another mafia game where his role was "town asshole"...I buy his story.

I am always town asshole. That is my role. No, but seriously, I am an asshole. Sorry, but I am.

Maybe if you weren't busy being preoccupied with being a jerk, you could have actually contributed something in this post, but instead you said something at all. Thanks for adding nothing to the discussion except confirmation that you are in fact an asshole. We probably wouldn't have realized with the claim.

Moving on, to actually comment on what alt said. I would agree with him that it is very unlikely that the the friars aren't linked. Perhaps they are linked unknowingly, but I find it unlikely.

General, if you do want to take a chance to contribute; can you tell us how you know that there are 2 vigs?

[TheGeneral2112]

1) He said that the two brothers/friars were investigative roles. I am one of those two brothers/friars. Eat shit, Chap.
2) I know there are two vigs because I have information about the setup in my PM. kkthx

[chapcrap]

1) He said that the two brothers/friars were investigative roles. I am one of those two brothers/friars. Eat shit, Chap.
2) I know there are two vigs because I have information about the setup in my PM. kkthx

I won't eat shit, because that's nasty.

He said they were seemingly investigative. He was alluding to the fact that you claim to know about people's roles. And you never opposed him saying that anyway. You just said you never claimed it.

kkthxbaiiiiiiiii

[TheGeneral2112]

1) He said that the two brothers/friars were investigative roles. I am one of those two brothers/friars. Eat shit, Chap.
2) I know there are two vigs because I have information about the setup in my PM. kkthx

I won't eat shit, because that's nasty.

He said they were seemingly investigative. He was alluding to the fact that you claim to know about people's roles. And you never opposed him saying that anyway. You just said you never claimed it.

kkthxbaiiiiiiiii

I know roles not because of my "powers" but because of my PMs. Sorry for being rude... The "eat shit" comment went a little far...

Moving on, both parties have a vig to do the killing. My PM states their win condition that I cannot reveal for fear of being modkilled, however they could be considered 3rd party killers for the most part.

[chapcrap]

Apology accepted.

Your role seems rather powerful. If General is really telling the truth, his win condition is probably about Romeo and Juliet both staying alive until the end. However, I don't believe that there would be a role that could not be killed. That is too powerful, IMO. So, there must be a poisoner (as has already been speculated) or some other role that could take out Friar Lawrence.

[dazza2008]

Ok a couple of things here.

1. Yes I did target edoc at night. I did this because it was before any talk in the thread and I had no idea of the setup. I thought it was standard town Vs. mafia and having edoc confirmed as a townie or as scum would be a huge benefit.

2. I never said what allignment edoc was that was Zimmah in the scene(chap already pointed this out).

3. I only called my self a retard because General did. I only claimed because of my misunderstanding earlier in the day.

4. I am a survivor so not alligned to anyone. I just have to live till the end.

5. I AM NOT A GIRL. This seems to come up in every game. Do I act like 1 or something?

[SPARTACUS1974]

we know Dazza and general are telling the truth .
dazza told us who he investigated on night 1
so who did you investigate on night 1 General? are you also a survivor with slight tourettes lol

dazza role could be helpful to both families in sorting out who is with who .

[Leehar]

lol, I was wondering about the girl bit.

And did I miss something or did general really not expose the edoc montague thing? Thought I heard something to that effect as well :s

[MoB Deadly]

Vote count

[1] Shieldgenerator7 - New Guy, [L-8]
[1] Edocsil - Sg7, [L-8]
[5] TheGeneral2112 - Leehar, Some7hingCLEVER, dazza2008, SPARTACUS1974, TheGeneral2112, [L-4]
[1] dazza2008 - jgordon1111 [L-8]

[all those guys below have 0 votes but can be voted]
Victor Sullivan
new guy1
Some7hingCLEVER
ghostly447
eldario
Bleed_Green
chapcrap
alt1978
Leehar
NoSurvivors
SPARTACUS1974
jgordon1111

there's 16 alive so 9 votes are needed for a lynch

[edocsil]

lol, I was wondering about the girl bit.

And did I miss something or did general really not expose the edoc montague thing? Thought I heard something to that effect as well :s

Given my character the whole alignment thing may be a bit fuzzy. Take the nurse for example. She would show as a Capulet, while it is highly likely she is a survivor. I am aligned with the Montague, but I am not a part of the warring family.

[Eldario]

lol, I was wondering about the girl bit.

And did I miss something or did general really not expose the edoc montague thing? Thought I heard something to that effect as well :s

Given my character the whole alignment thing may be a bit fuzzy. Take the nurse for example. She would show as a Capulet, while it is highly likely she is a survivor. I am aligned with the Montague, but I am not a part of the warring family.

so Mercrucio is close with the Montague I've heard...

[Eldario]

lol, I was wondering about the girl bit.

And did I miss something or did general really not expose the edoc montague thing? Thought I heard something to that effect as well :s

Given my character the whole alignment thing may be a bit fuzzy. Take the nurse for example. She would show as a Capulet, while it is highly likely she is a survivor. I am aligned with the Montague, but I am not a part of the warring family.

so Mercrucio is close with the Montague I've heard...

but this would of course destroy my fine "familytree"-thing...

[jgordon1111]

Thanks Edoc thought it might be something like that,I was thinking juliet though but she would still show montague. Everyone Is missing a vital point here. Who here wants to be dazza's next target and have your alignment shown to everyone this early in the game? Or at all for that matter. Useful If we didnt know who was doing it not so useful now.

We have an Idea of what Edoc might be.

We know what the general says he is,that can be tested at night if someone has the right ability

So what I am saying is we are on a time limit in this game, Dont waste the lynch.

Remove the third party that can identify all of us. It is a win for all other factions to do so.

[dazza2008]

Thanks Edoc thought it might be something like that,I was thinking juliet though but she would still show montague. Everyone Is missing a vital point here. Who here wants to be dazza's next target and have your alignment shown to everyone this early in the game? Or at all for that matter. Useful If we didnt know who was doing it not so useful now.

We have an Idea of what Edoc might be.

We know what the general says he is,that can be tested at night if someone has the right ability

So what I am saying is we are on a time limit in this game, Dont waste the lynch.

Remove the third party that can identify all of us. It is a win for all other factions to do so.

I also have a 1 in 6 chance of finding ot the exact role so I could find the killer of your opposite faction. Is that sort of info not useful to you?

[jgordon1111]

It would have been Dazza if you had not claimed and later in the game you could have used it as leverage to end game.

But right now, From my perspective you might be a serious liability to all other factions, with a shorter deadline.

And my apologies for referring to you as a female, I thought from other games you were a guy,but it kept popping up here that you were a woman for some reason and I thought I was wrong.