Rolegift Mafia 2 Endgame: Give 'til it Hurts

[jak111]

With the entire thread only 12 pages long and it being Day 1 that amount of notes that you could have taken (and now apparently are completely useless without) can't be very much at all.

I have a few theories on what the notes are...

Anyway, blah, I'm giving up my case on Spiesr. About 30 mins after the thread started, it might just be luck he was online and noticed, so I guess it's not fair to clock him on that one XD.

Unvote

Now, my attention is moving toward Vodean, so says I had that "one scummy post" that he is refusing to quote. With each passing few hours that he doesn't post it, I'm growing more and more suspicious of it.

Vote Vodean

Hopefully by the morning we have some new information.

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BTW, still taking poems until the night phase.

[pmchugh]

Reading in these circumstances will not help.

Reading always helps, I don't understand why you can't play just because you cannot take notes?

[Yomiel]

Vote: Vodean

[Hensow]

Unvote, Vote: Voden he said himself it was 50:50

[Yomiel]

I think we need about three more votes to lynch him.

[aage]

I think we need about three more votes to lynch him.

Is this supposed to convince me?

[thechuck51]

10. Deadline is 7 days from the begining of the day, if the deadline is reached without a lynch or "no lynch" in place, there is a 50% chance of either the person with the highest number of votes dying, or the day ending with no death.

If we decide to no-lynch we should either a) make sure there are no votes on any players or b) make sure any other votes are on our top scum candidate (which appears to be vodean atm).

[Hensow]

I think we need about three more votes to lynch him.

Is this supposed to convince me?

no it's supposed to convince the peoples who aren't yet making a serious vote like spiesr who should be deciding between no vote and vote vodean to lynch or save him

[pmchugh]

Vote: Vodean

Reason for vote?

[jak111]

Vote: Vodean

Reason for vote?

Reason for only questioning the newbie?

[Campin_Killer]

I think we need about three more votes to lynch him.

Mind contributing to the discussion instead of hardly saying anything?

FOS Yomiel

[pmchugh]

Vote: Vodean

Reason for vote?

Reason for only questioning the newbie?

He is apparently experienced on other sites. Also why shouldn't I question a newbie why he is voting a particular player? All players have to learn to vote for people for good reasons.

[aage]

Vote: Vodean

Reason for vote?

Reason for only questioning the newbie?

He is apparently experienced on other sites. Also why shouldn't I question a newbie why he is voting a particular player? All players have to learn to vote for people for good reasons.

My expectation is that he is voting because he wants a lynch as soon as possible. Wouldn't know why. I doubt he's scum, though.

[spiesr]

I think we need about three more votes to lynch him.

Is this supposed to convince me?

no it's supposed to convince the peoples who aren't yet making a serious vote like spiesr who should be deciding between no vote and vote vodean to lynch or save him

But you see, stating the Vodean is however close to being lynched doesn't answer the important question of "Is lynching Vodean better than not?" If he wants to convince people he needs to attempt to answer that.

10. Deadline is 7 days from the begining of the day, if the deadline is reached without a lynch or "no lynch" in place, there is a 50% chance of either the person with the highest number of votes dying, or the day ending with no death.

If we decide to no-lynch we should either a) make sure there are no votes on any players or b) make sure any other votes are on our top scum candidate (which appears to be vodean atm).

If we really want to no lynch, yet are unable to get the votes to actually reach a majority, I think we would be able to cause no lynch by having "no lynch" simply have to most votes. I am not 100% certain though, perhaps / could clarify?

[aage]

I think we need about three more votes to lynch him.

Is this supposed to convince me?

no it's supposed to convince the peoples who aren't yet making a serious vote like spiesr who should be deciding between no vote and vote vodean to lynch or save him

But you see, stating the Vodean is however close to being lynched doesn't answer the important question of "Is lynching Vodean better than not?" If he wants to convince people he needs to attempt to answer that.

10. Deadline is 7 days from the begining of the day, if the deadline is reached without a lynch or "no lynch" in place, there is a 50% chance of either the person with the highest number of votes dying, or the day ending with no death.

If we decide to no-lynch we should either a) make sure there are no votes on any players or b) make sure any other votes are on our top scum candidate (which appears to be vodean atm).

If we really want to no lynch, yet are unable to get the votes to actually reach a majority, I think we would be able to cause no lynch by having "no lynch" simply have to most votes. I am not 100% certain though, perhaps / could clarify?

Chuck is right. 50% is still better than 100% for me, though.

[Rodion]

if the deadline is reached without a lynch or without "no lynch" in place, there is a 50% chance of either the person with the highest number of votes dying, or the day ending with no death.

I explicitly added the blue word, but I think that is what / meant implicitly (I played Two Sides, modded by him, and we could surely avoid a lynch by having "no lynch" win the poll).

Vodean, how about you post?

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if the deadline is reached without a lynch or without "no lynch" in place, there is a 50% chance of either the person with the highest number of votes dying, or the day ending with no death.

I explicitly added the blue word, but I think that is what / meant implicitly (I played Two Sides, modded by him, and we could surely avoid a lynch by having "no lynch" win the poll).

Vodean, how about you post?

Yeah, that's what I meant, I disliked how two sides' days ended with no lynch just because one or two people voted for it while everyone else hung back.
So this game currently needs hard majority to decide something, I can change it to soft majority for no lynch if enough people want though.

[vodean]

honestly, since much of your case is kinda WIFOM and im pretty much within the bounds of my normal play, theres not much defense i can offer. im town. i cant even try to convince you that my role is super important like yomiel seems always to get away with. So go ahead and lynch me. or lynch spiesr who i think has been acting very scummy and pushing town towards all sorts of lousy decisions. and no. i will not come up with an incredibly long post fingering spiesr as scum, because lets be honest, its not gonna make a difference. maybe tomorrow if im still alive.

jak, i havent gone back and found that ONE post where you looked KINDA scummy, because its worth no ones time or effort, and it was a long time ago. also, i really dont think that you're scum atm.

[jak111]

Vote: Vodean

Reason for vote?

Reason for only questioning the newbie?

He is apparently experienced on other sites. Also why shouldn't I question a newbie why he is voting a particular player? All players have to learn to vote for people for good reasons.

My expectation is that he is voting because he wants a lynch as soon as possible. Wouldn't know why. I doubt he's scum, though.

Aye, Yomiel is Yomiel. However, I find it odd for PMC to be eyeballing him out of everyone that voted for Vodean. THAT, is what I'm finding strange here.

jak, i havent gone back and found that ONE post where you looked KINDA scummy, because its worth no ones time or effort, and it was a long time ago. also, i really dont think that you're scum atm.

If it isn't important for your time to quote it, why mention it?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Unvote vote No lynch so we can try to figure out who has what powers.

[safariguy5]

I'm seeing relatively weak cases that basically play on standard player meta. That said, Hensow also bandwagonned with no reason, so I will

unvote vote hensow

[Hensow]

my reason is the same as that of everyone else (so I did not fell a need to reiterate) that he has spent the entire week trying to get spiesr lynched for reading the form. I do not know much about Vodean's "standard player meta" I never played with him but really this is normal?

[spiesr]

Well, I failed to come up with any good ideas of how to end this day. With the deadline today. So I must hang my head in shame now as I am reduced to the option of:
A. Do nothing.
B. Join to Vodean bandwagon, slightly increasing the odds that it reaches the required number before the deadline.
C. Refuse to join the Vodean bandwagon, do anything else with my protest vote. This option ultimately has no effect on what happens today, all it would do is express a preference on my part.

At this point Vodean is the only person who could reasonably be lynched today. The only question is will he reach the votes to be certainly lynched, or will it just be left to chance at the deadline. While lynching Vodean for the crime of essentially being Vodean is far from ideal, in the end given my options I am going to Unvote Vote Vodean. By doing so I push him a little closer to a certain lynch. He might make it to that point, he might not. Vodean may be scum. It's hard to get a very get read at this point. However, I feel that the chances of him being scum (which have to be at least 20% simple numbers) are better than doing nothing a this final hours.

So, I think the vote count now would look something like this:
No Lynch (3) - Campin_Killer , aage , LSU Tiger Josh
Campin_Killer (1) - everywhere116
spiesr (1) - vodean
safariguy5 (1) - soundman
vodean (8) - TA1LGUNN3R , thechuck51 , pmchugh , jonty125 , jak111 , Yomiel , Hensow, spiesr
Hensow (1) - safariguy5

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch

[Campin_Killer]

Garlic No lunch

Stake vodean

I've got to agree with spiesr here, as ve've got no other option and a 50% chance of a lynch or no lynch is too much vhat if for me.