[Beginner] Straight Mafia - TOWN WINS

[Epitaph1]

The residents of the town woke up frustrated that they didn't nab mafia on D1, but optimistic that they would catch one soon. However, as they gathered in the town square to discuss the next course of action, one person didn't show up.

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It is now D2. Deadline at 9:00 CCT on Monday, November 23

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[madmitch]

Well we lost two towns, I going to keep my vote where it is for now.

[TimWoodbury]

mitch ur looking at the wrong person. im kinda confused what is a back up cop??

[rizky_biznezz]

Well that's not good... I'm only on a short break will do a read thru when I get home.. We really need more input from everyone if we have any chance because as it stands there isn't a whole lot to discuss

[AladdinSane]

So, the thought was that by lynching on D1, Town would get some clues about who might be scum. I'm not sure we have clues worth the life of a Town, but we have to make the best of it. My initial thoughts are that scum obviously knew Soldier was innocent, so we ought to look at those who first got the lynch Soldier ball rolling, and those whose vote got him over the line. Also, Soldier's innocence removes a shadow from Mitch as I see it. I'm not saying that Mitch is Town, just that now there is less reason to think he is scum. Also, Streaker is being suspiciously quiet. He promised to give us his thought, but never did.

I'm planning to do a re-read at some point, and will post more after that. It's a pity about Soldier but he really didn't do a great job of appearing innocent. I think, given that we had decided a lynching would be advantageous, it was a reasonable vote for Towns to cast.

[Streaker]

Lynching a town on D1 isn't the worst that can happen, and gives usefull information (provided the lynchee posted enough substance for us to use). Luckily, both dead town seemed to have similar thoughts:

I say we vote up one of the ones who want mitch dead, I bet at least one of those awful 3 are mafia

what made you so eager to get out of the joke vote stage?

Right now this is the first thing that caught my attention. Soldier appeared to be joking and Tim jumped on him.

vote Tim

IB had Tim as scum read, soldier was the first to vote Tim:

Thefact that youre accusing me of that makes me suspect you now.
VOTE TIM

Even though I didn't like the reasons for Soldier here, it's still a vote from both confirmed townies on Tim.

I'm interested in hearing from Aladin why he thinks Mitch has gained town credit by the lynching of Soldier, as Mitch is also on Tim's case. That would be 3 townies alligned then, and a very good lead to start the day.

[Streaker]

Reading back, I don't see a case on Tim actually.

DJ is probably the better target today, and here is why:

Well, as it's been asked...this is my Cherry game...and I think I'm screwed already As a noob I've a feeling I'll be targetted as a weak link...nothing else showing up for me so far...maybe I should just jump on vote Mitch and live another day (night?)

Saying he will be bandwagoning for the sole reason of surviving himself. Not much by itself.

dID two ppps already contact me to telll me what to put on my first post? Am I the best hope Townies have to stay alive during their nights?,,,just being a noob doesn't mean I'm dead on my feet before the first vote...I'm one more for Hyprocites than Hyberbolies (spl?)...other Hypocrites pls refrain!!!

This comes out of nowhere, and is a blatant statement that did not have any place yet. Watch a couple quotes below for more. It's followed up by:

As I'm living on the right side of the Planet, I'm working while most of you guys are posting and it Night while you're most active BUT...Iron Butt, I read it the other way...a smiley face may 'appear to be joking' but then false appearances are part of the plot...not much to go on however I feel Tim is being weasled into a corner...[b][color=#FF0000]VOTE SOLDIER[/b][/color]

A vote on soldier here, without any kind of explanation or contribution = shameless wagon.

yEp...beginner alright...had troubs with the Bold and colour but the intent (and vote) still stand...and I have already declared my role for those with the nous to find it (and NO not talking Night AKA Mafia for those just reading the bloody obvious into the most recent post)...haha

This quote did it for me. It's one thing to claim you are a doc, but then rubbing it in AGAIN, and then surviving the night while you claimed doc? Nope.

Sorry for the repost but NO idea what CCTime is...can anyone please translate into +/- GMT or Zulu Time please?

This is effectively his last post made on D1. That means that he

-Softclaimed for no reason
-Made sure everyone saw his softclaim
-Wagoned without any kind of contribution
-Layed low saying absolutely nothing until end of day
-Survived the night as claimed doc

Looks to me like he has been given doc as a safe fake claim, I don't see any other reason to come out like that if you are truly town. In the event that a town doc would claim that, he would be up on the barricades leading town as a strong semi-confirmed townie. But he layed very low.

Vote DJpatrick

[bosaardbeitje]

@ Tim I can't copy from the website Epi used, but you can read it there, it's under 'Linked'. Basically the backup Cop becomes the Cop when the 'real' Cop dies.

So it's pretty bad that we lost IB and it makes me think we have a 'real' Cop in here, who should keep his mouth shut until he finds out something useful. I am not sure if we are able learn a lot from the lynch, since pretty much all of us were weirded out by Soldier's behaviour.

I have to read the latest posts and analyse D1 again, will get back to it later.

[rizky_biznezz]

Not sure what I can use from soldiers lynch.. The case wasn't that big to start with but his reaction and the way he acted made him look pretty scummy..

I haven't ruled out Mitch yet.. The soldier case was the biggest case we had so it was pretty obvious we were going to end up voting him.. If Mitch was scum he would have known soldier was town so didn't change his vote so he could say he was innocent because he didn't vote for soldier..

i cant see much of a case for tim yet either.. If he was scum wouldn't they have killed someone who hadn't really been associated with him seems like a bit of a set up night killing someone who happened to have voted him..

DJ hasn't really given us anything so I'm waiting to see what he comes back with but something to consider streak..

Aladdin is slightly on my radar.. Going for a no lynch then covering with the noob card only to start posting some pretty detailed posts..

Havent decided on the others yet.. Just bouncing round some ideas

[bosaardbeitje]

Did a quick re-read.

I don't see anything in a Tim case right now and I want to hear more from DJ before I make up my mind about him. Mitch is on my radar for starting off seriously and then going back to his usual joking, when people mention it. I actually read Aladdin as Town. I think he is picking up the game quickly.

The one who really caught my attention is TWR. Voting Tim for not being able to read his posts is crazy and it's a clear signal that TWR is not scumhunting. I wouldn't think too much of it, if it would have been during the joke vote stage, but this was way later. Also this remark looks suspicious to me:

agree with ib, i would be happy to switch my vote to soldier, but will give him till tomorrow to reconsider his position

Echoing IB and saying he would be happy to switch his vote? Moreover, he has hardly contributed. So I also want to hear more from TWR.

[TimWoodbury]

Lynching a town on D1 isn't the worst that can happen, and gives usefull information (provided the lynchee posted enough substance for us to use). Luckily, both dead town seemed to have similar thoughts:

I say we vote up one of the ones who want mitch dead, I bet at least one of those awful 3 are mafia

what made you so eager to get out of the joke vote stage?

Right now this is the first thing that caught my attention. Soldier appeared to be joking and Tim jumped on him.

vote Tim

IB had Tim as scum read, soldier was the first to vote Tim:

Thefact that youre accusing me of that makes me suspect you now.
VOTE TIM

Even though I didn't like the reasons for Soldier here, it's still a vote from both confirmed townies on Tim.

I'm interested in hearing from Aladin why he thinks Mitch has gained town credit by the lynching of Soldier, as Mitch is also on Tim's case. That would be 3 townies alligned then, and a very good lead to start the day.

i swear i gotta be the perfet frame peron this si 2 games now that as town skum more or less framed me to get mis lynched. guess i gotta stop acting so erratic i spose

[TimWoodbury]

Reading back, I don't see a case on Tim actually.

DJ is probably the better target today, and here is why:

Well, as it's been asked...this is my Cherry game...and I think I'm screwed already As a noob I've a feeling I'll be targetted as a weak link...nothing else showing up for me so far...maybe I should just jump on vote Mitch and live another day (night?)

Saying he will be bandwagoning for the sole reason of surviving himself. Not much by itself.

dID two ppps already contact me to telll me what to put on my first post? Am I the best hope Townies have to stay alive during their nights?,,,just being a noob doesn't mean I'm dead on my feet before the first vote...I'm one more for Hyprocites than Hyberbolies (spl?)...other Hypocrites pls refrain!!!

This comes out of nowhere, and is a blatant statement that did not have any place yet. Watch a couple quotes below for more. It's followed up by:

As I'm living on the right side of the Planet, I'm working while most of you guys are posting and it Night while you're most active BUT...Iron Butt, I read it the other way...a smiley face may 'appear to be joking' but then false appearances are part of the plot...not much to go on however I feel Tim is being weasled into a corner...[b][color=#FF0000]VOTE SOLDIER[/b][/color]

A vote on soldier here, without any kind of explanation or contribution = shameless wagon.

yEp...beginner alright...had troubs with the Bold and colour but the intent (and vote) still stand...and I have already declared my role for those with the nous to find it (and NO not talking Night AKA Mafia for those just reading the bloody obvious into the most recent post)...haha

This quote did it for me. It's one thing to claim you are a doc, but then rubbing it in AGAIN, and then surviving the night while you claimed doc? Nope.

Sorry for the repost but NO idea what CCTime is...can anyone please translate into +/- GMT or Zulu Time please?

This is effectively his last post made on D1. That means that he

-Softclaimed for no reason
-Made sure everyone saw his softclaim
-Wagoned without any kind of contribution
-Layed low saying absolutely nothing until end of day
-Survived the night as claimed doc

Looks to me like he has been given doc as a safe fake claim, I don't see any other reason to come out like that if you are truly town. In the event that a town doc would claim that, he would be up on the barricades leading town as a strong semi-confirmed townie. But he layed very low.

Vote DJpatrick

im glad im not the only one who upon rereading saw that he claimed doc, maybe skum didnt realzie it idk.

still what exactly is a "back up doc"?

[TimWoodbury]

@ Tim I can't copy from the website Epi used, but you can read it there, it's under 'Linked'. Basically the backup Cop becomes the Cop when the 'real' Cop dies.

So it's pretty bad that we lost IB and it makes me think we have a 'real' Cop in here, who should keep his mouth shut until he finds out something useful. I am not sure if we are able learn a lot from the lynch, since pretty much all of us were weirded out by Soldier's behaviour.

I have to read the latest posts and analyse D1 again, will get back to it later.

okay thank yah boss, yah deffinatly if there was a back up cop then there deffinaly is a cop at least yah wouldd think and im bound to agree they should keep quiet till they find a skum once they find the skum they can tell who they have thus far investigated and know to e town

[rizky_biznezz]

Mitch u didn't seem too disappointed at losing the backup cop were u too busy jumping for joy that ya got so lucky with ur nightkill lol..

[AladdinSane]

I'm interested in hearing from Aladin why he thinks Mitch has gained town credit by the lynching of Soldier, as Mitch is also on Tim's case. That would be 3 townies alligned then, and a very good lead to start the day.

Before the vote, I (along with several others) was viewing Soldier as scum. Since Soldier seemed to be trying to deflect suspicion from Mitch onto Tim, I was inclined to see Mitch as a bit scummy, and was leaning toward Town for Tim. Since Soldier turned out to be Town, his attempt to deflect suspicion from Mitch no longer seems scummy, and I have no other reason as yet to think Mitch is scummy. So, in my eyes, Mitch sort of gets some Town credit simply by having a reason for suspecting him going up in smoke.

[AladdinSane]

For me, Mitch is now in the "Don't know" basket - I'm not leaning either way.

[AladdinSane]

Aladdin is slightly on my radar.. Going for a no lynch then covering with the noob card only to start posting some pretty detailed posts..

At the beginning of the game, I really didn't have much of an idea what we were doing here. I was actually thinking 'Are we having fun yet?' Then, at some point, it just clicked, which is why my posts became more detailed and, I like to think, more focussed. If you re-read, you can actually pick the point where it happened - I apologized for being a bit slow on the uptake.

[AladdinSane]

I actually read Aladdin as Town. I think he is picking up the game quickly.

This.

[AladdinSane]

I think one problem we face here is that, because Soldier mounted such a poor defence, there were legitimate reasons to vote for him. And, obviously, scum also had a reason to vote for him. So votes for Soldier aren't a strong marker either way - both scum and Town had their reasons to vote Soldier.

[madmitch]

mitch ur looking at the wrong person. im kinda confused what is a back up cop??

You protest to much ! I am leaving my vote there until I am proven wrong about you, just a gut feeling but I have a big gut

[rizky_biznezz]

i dont have anything new to add im still waiting for rose and dj to give us their take on the events...

aladdin you are doing well keep it up.. day 1 is typically hard to make any kind of case and you seem to have been making reads as best you can with what we have, i only noted it as we dont have a whole lot to work with... also sometimes peoples reactions can help... not so much in the case of soldier his reaction made him look worse lol..

streak what are your thoughts on mitch now? seems you have switched to DJ but you never gave us your case on mitch after you said he seemed scummiest... and if you suspect DJ do you still think Tim is scummy as well (going off your post before the DJ one and the fact DJ believed Tim was being weasled in to a corner by soldier)?

[AladdinSane]

Quick noob question: Patrick says he claimed, and others have confirmed he claimed as "doc". The only thing I see in his posts that seems relevant is a reference to "Hypocrites". Is this just a mis-spelling of "Hippocrates", or am I being coompletely blind and missing something obvious?

If Patrick did indeed claim doc and wasn't killed, I agree with Streaker that it looks scummy. Also he says in one post that he was contacted about what to say, and if he was told to claim doc it looks even more scummy. I'm starting to lean toward voting Patrick, but I'll hold off for now in the hope that Patrick will come up for an explanation for all this.

I'm still not seeing a case against Tim.

[AladdinSane]

aladdin you are doing well keep it up..

... and if you suspect DJ do you still think Tim is scummy as well (going off your post before the DJ one and the fact DJ believed Tim was being weasled in to a corner by soldier)?

Thank you, RB.

If Patrick is starting to look scummy, I think this reflects somewhat badly on Tim. It might be scum defending scum.

[Streaker]

i dont have anything new to add im still waiting for rose and dj to give us their take on the events...

aladdin you are doing well keep it up.. day 1 is typically hard to make any kind of case and you seem to have been making reads as best you can with what we have, i only noted it as we dont have a whole lot to work with... also sometimes peoples reactions can help... not so much in the case of soldier his reaction made him look worse lol..

streak what are your thoughts on mitch now? seems you have switched to DJ but you never gave us your case on mitch after you said he seemed scummiest... and if you suspect DJ do you still think Tim is scummy as well (going off your post before the DJ one and the fact DJ believed Tim was being weasled in to a corner by soldier)?

I currently don't read Tim as scum myself, but I am interested in the case against him. It's great to help develop reads on other players. For instance, Alladin explaining his reasons there (as I asked), give me a town vibe on Alladin.

I know I said I would build a case on Mitch, and trust me, I tried. A couple times. It's bloody hard getting a decent read on him, but while I was going through the pages DJ stood out to me and I turned that way for now.

DJ biggest scumread for now, and a gut feeling on Mitch and bos (to a slighter extent). I don't like how bos is keeping middle ground, it's really not what I am used to seeing from her. Before anything else, I want to know everyones thoughts on my case on DJ.

[rizky_biznezz]

ur case on DJ makes sense streaker and is the best we have so far... i still want to see what DJ has to say.. if we lynch him and he is town we have no reads from him, no idea who his suspects are... basically still nothing to work on... and if he is actually doc then thats even worse..