Re-Inquisition Mafia - Heretics win!

[Talapus]

Sorry work is crazy and I haven't been in a mafia game in awhile.

This is going to be an interesting game. While I think that there is a possibility that wicked and/or mandy are scum I don't think that a lynch on them will solve anything right now.

I do think it's odd that Talapus did so much game research right off the bat. I usually only am that involved in the game when I'm scum and I need to know all the angles and need to look for a way out if I get in trouble.

I don't think I've played with Talapus before but to me it sounds kind of like a noob mafia mistake.
I'll denounce Talapus

Research?!? What is this research you speak of. Oh, you mean the fact that I vaguely paid attention in history back in the 8th grade. We,, if that's the case, then you are correct. I did pay attention. While we're at it, we might as well all claim which religion is the true one because obviously if you share different beliefs from the king, you're a heratic...


Not research dude, I just remember some of what I read. However, since your argument for denouncing me is based solely on the fact that you've never played me before, then half the players in here should denounce you. Just a thought though....

[Talapus]

FYI...maybe you should look back at Sherwood...I replaced in that game which I believe you were also in...

[wicked]

first of all, who is dustn?

Second, I see Moz's point, b/c I made a similar one earlier. He's right, people who research the game are more likely to be scum. Note I said more likely, not always, some people just have a lot of time on their hands. But it does make me take more notice of them.

Third, nice catch of a possible slipup by Kaison. Would like to hear his rebuttal.

Fourth, Xen is looking awfully scummy as well. If those posts are any indication of how helpful he'll be during the game, then he'd be a good day 1 sacrifice.

[Koesen]

wat the hell

donounce mandy

he doesnt seem to have a track record of being a helpful towny, and he oculd be mafia

The guy who edited the post during Night 0, effectivly getting himself lynched before Day even begun (in Unriggable's Chatastrophe Mafia), wants to talk about track records.

What a bunch of horseshit. Your post looks good, but it tells us NOTHING of value. Who says that it has to be either wicked or mandy as the only possibilities for mafia today? I think you forget the probability of one, much less both, of them being scum... with 21 players we can bet on a maximum of 6 bad guys if divided into two factions, 5 otherwise. Me? I'm rarely willing to make such a bold statement like, "I expect that later this game day, I will denounce either Mandy or Wicked or both" when so much can change in 3 days time.

I'm not FOSing you or anything because it's Day One and we will more than likely miss today unless we denounce something like 5 or more people.

Somebody hasn't been reading very well, has he?

If "NOTHING OF VALUE" (thanks for the caps, I nearly missed that bit) means I haven't spoonfed you any scum yet, then, well, I guess you're right, because I don't know yet who the scum is. If you do, Einstein, please enlighten me with your wisdom.

As for your probability statement, what the hell does that mean? Are you going to refute every accusation against everybody by saying that statistically the odds are higher that they're town? Cause that applies to everyone, you know.

Finally, stating who I think looks most suspicious at this point in time is hardly bold. Denouncing everybody the moment they say something I disagree with, that would be bold. I was merely contributing to the discussion.

Just like you were, I suppose, because thanks to you, I now have someone else to keep an eye on.

denounce Koesen.

The part that I bolded implies certenty that Auto is non-mafia. Only members of the Mafia KNOW who is or isn't Mafia. Also mafia sometime, when adressing a townie that they aren't trying to get lynched, try to express the seniment that "we are boththe same side", wich I belive I detect in Koesens post. All this makes him my pick No. 2

You are reading way too much in it. Autoload complained I hadn't contributed anything of value. What I had done, was share my thoughts and theories on those I thought most suspicious. The only thing you can do to top that is to organize the death of scum. Which is all I meant by 'spoonfeeding him scum'.

I have no certainty that Autoload is town. Nor do I have any certainty that he is not. And the same goes for eveybody else.

[Koesen]

I guess it's time for a couple of denunciations.

Denounce Mandalorian
Denounce Wicked
Denounce Moz

Mandalorian and Wicked for their suspicious mud fight earlier on and the way they suddenly jump hand in hand on this socalled overanalyzed slip. I'm pretty sure at least one of you is scum, and I'm increasingly leaning to the belief that you both are.

Moz for his non-argument about research. The amount of historical knowledge displayed sofar does not exceed the barest basics of what you learn in school and does not require more than a feeble interest in history. You don't need to do research to know what Moors are. All you need is to take your headphones out of your ears in class. This goes for Wicked too.

[wicked]

There's a group of new players here I've never played with, so lemme explain yesterday's banter between Mandy and I. First of all, I have no idea if he's scum or not. I do however know he is someone I can pick on and he won't crumble, and I knew he'd engage in a conversation. Go back if you want and look at other games with Mandy and I (except for the poet one, where it was too much of a PITA to post...lol), we often have pages and pages of arguments and disagreements, we're loud and obnoxious and draw a lot of attention. Need I mention how long day 1 was in Sherwood? Was it 80 pages? Anyway, so I threw suspicion on Mandy to see who would bandwagon. And several of you did. And by bandwagoning here, I don't necessarily mean vote, since these denouncings are different, rather quote my same ideas... e.g. was is n8 who pretty much regurgitated what I had said about him being a hindrance to the town? (need to go back and check that.. I'm still getting the names down of the people new to me)

So all of you denouncing Mandy and I just b/c we're vocal and noticable, you're now all on my FOS list. Experience has taught me most scum don't want to be center stage and will be agreeable little lemmings following the vocal people leading a lynch. I seriously doubt Mandy or I will be denounced today... we're not the ones acting scummy. And those of you thinking this is some elaborate ploy, go find the other games I've have been in. It's how I've always played, regardless of side. Actually don't even bother with that, just notice how those I've played with a lot before haven't bothered to FOS me...."that's just wicked" is probably what they'll tell ya.

So I need to reread later today to come up with who I actually want to denounce based on their reactions to the banter yesterday.

[kwanton]

OK I'm finally ready to make my move

NUMBER 1:

wat the hell

donounce mandy

he doesnt seem to have a track record of being a helpful towny, and he oculd be mafia

The guy who edited the post during Night 0, effectivly getting himself lynched before Day even begun (in Unriggable's Chatastrophe Mafia), wants to talk about track records.

I had forgotten about this. In another mafia(maybe the same one. It doesn't matter.) he also posted under his friend's account. He's made plenty of newb mistakes which got him kicked out of the games he was in fairly early. I'm not accusing him because he was noobish in other games cuz that would be metagaming. I'm accusing him because he accused mandy of not being helpful or whatever when he's hardly had a chance of playing with him.

denounce n8freeman


NUMBER 2: Xencobra. This is exactly what I was talking about when I said submarining. In case ya'll missed it I was in support of lynching those who only showed up making crap posts. He'll probably show up near the deadlineto make a quick denounce.

denounce xencobra

NUMBER 3:

Anyway, so I threw suspicion on Mandy to see who would bandwagon. And several of you did. And by bandwagoning here, I don't necessarily mean vote, since these denouncings are different, rather quote my same ideas... e.g. was is n8 who pretty much regurgitated what I had said about him being a hindrance to the town? (need to go back and check that.. I'm still getting the names down of the people new to me)

So all of you denouncing Mandy and I just b/c we're vocal and noticable, you're now all on my FOS list. Experience has taught me most scum don't want to be center stage and will be agreeable little lemmings following the vocal people leading a lynch. I seriously doubt Mandy or I will be denounced today... we're not the ones acting scummy. And those of you thinking this is some elaborate ploy, go find the other games I've have been in. It's how I've always played, regardless of side. Actually don't even bother with that, just notice how those I've played with a lot before haven't bothered to FOS me...."that's just wicked" is probably what they'll tell ya.

YAY! I excaped wicked plan to catch bandwagoners. But wicked, have you ever heard of entrapment? This seems like you were setting up that whole situation to catch people. I don't agree with those tactics. We should be watching and waiting for someone to slip up. Not actively trying to put them in a situation where they'll make a minor slip up. Sure, this would be acceptable later on but day 1? It's now that people vote for dumb reasons. You don't need to be adding to that. You should have saved your evil plot for later on when it would be more useful.

denounce wicked

[Syzygy]

Time for a dumn question. WTF is PITA? And don't tell me you eat it.

Anyway, Koesen's denounciation of moz seems kind of vengeful and makes me suspicious of him as well.

[wicked]

This seems like you were setting up that whole situation to catch people. I don't agree with those tactics. We should be watching and waiting for someone to slip up. Not actively trying to put them in a situation where they'll make a minor slip up.

OMG! You're right! What was I thinking! Why should I make people slip up, why not sit and wait for them to say 'I'm scum please lynch me kwanton'?!?!?! How utterly foolish of me!

[wicked]

PITA = Pain in the Ass

[kwanton]

This seems like you were setting up that whole situation to catch people. I don't agree with those tactics. We should be watching and waiting for someone to slip up. Not actively trying to put them in a situation where they'll make a minor slip up.

OMG! You're right! What was I thinking! Why should I make people slip up, why not sit and wait for them to say 'I'm scum please lynch me kwanton'?!?!?! How utterly foolish of me!

Try putting the next part in there. I said this was bad DAY 1. Everyone votes for bad reasons day 1. So if you try something like this you'll probably catch more town than scum. I said you should have saved something like this for later on. Cuz that's when your more likely to catch a higher percentage of scum with a plan like this.

[kwanton]

EBWOP

Damnit! I forgot to put in a revenge eye roll

<---- Stick that in wherever it feels like it belongs.

[wicked]

maybe, maybe not. it wasn't actually a plan until I saw people reacting. so then I just kept going with the OMGMS routine (ohmygodmandysux). true it might just be noobs who reacted poorly, but then again, I wouldn't expect to catch experienced mafia doing this, at any time of the game.

[ga7]

Reading back on the Talapus case, I really think voting him for that (or FOSing him for that matter) was non sense. He made a comment refering to the general context of Inquisition, while others have been discussing more thoroughly the game context. So what's the real motive for this vote? An hypothesis could be that Moz was looking for an easy vote since he thought Tal was a noob. But bringing a "new" accusation like that after 10 pages definitely seems weird to me. (Btw Wicked, your original FOS didn't seem quite serious when rereading, I guess that's why it didn't ring a bell)
My vote on Moz stands (or is growing deeper roots since it can only stand ).

As for the Wicked/Mandy chitchat, well, looks the same as day 1 spam to me. On the other hand, last time I lynched a day 1 spammer he was scum But I definitely think at this point either of them isn't that good a candidate for a day 1 lynch, or at least pretty random.

For the serial-voters, over digging and paranoïa is ok, but IMO I don't see the point of votes when there's only half-tells and hunches or whatever. I don't say people waiting till time's up to vote are good either, just there's no use to go berserk for details IMO

[ga7]

Oh my, so fastposted

[kwanton]

maybe, maybe not. it wasn't actually a plan until I saw people reacting. so then I just kept going with the OMGMS routine (ohmygodmandysux). true it might just be noobs who reacted poorly, but then again, I wouldn't expect to catch experienced mafia doing this, at any time of the game.

GAH FRAZZLE SNAZZLE! I assumed you were just playing normally when you were arguing with mandy. Then ya had to go and make yourself look special by pretending it was a plan from the begining. (rofl I woulda done the same actually so as to look smart) But now I can't unvote...you brought this upon yourself

[moz976]

FYI...maybe you should look back at Sherwood...I replaced in that game which I believe you were also in...

That's true I guess we did play together once and you made such a great impression that I don't even remember you playing.

And just to clarify if you don't make a good enough impression to be remembered in a game your a noob in my book. I tend to remember the people that play well.

As others have said there isn't much to go on Day one so you pick something and hope you get it right. There are no certainties this early (Despite what Mandy might tell you hehe )

[nagerous]

before you start calling people noobs maybe you should visit the mafia games forum more often. Check out this thread: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21141

Talapus ran one of the best mafia games on conquer club thus far (although I got NKed pretty quickly as usual )

[wicked]

no worries kwanton.

[wicked]

Nag, there are certain players here who only play a small group of proven mods, so as such, end up playing with mostly the same players in relatively fewer games. I consider Moz, Auto and myself in that group. I think I've only played in two games, both very recent, with Tappy. So yeah he may have run a good game, but even so, I'd never heard of him until two games ago myself, so I can see why moz considers him a noob.

Reading over that, it looks like I'm defending moz, which of course I dont' want to do in a mafia game! Just take it as me pointing out that moz isn't acting strange, I completely see where he's coming from, as I've had the same thoughts myself. Call it cliquey mafia or whatever, but we understand each other. That said, moz is a hard one to read!!! lol

[Fircoal]

Talking about the original Inquisition, I noticed something, which I'll call my Crazy Theory about Mandy of the Day!
Mandy is all fooling you faking playing the Re-Inquisition, but he's not! He's actually reenacting the previous Inquisition. The first vote on Fircoal, the confusing following votes, all is there!

Don't worry, I have a plan to do something just like the last one.

[Fircoal]

There's a group of new players here I've never played with, so lemme explain yesterday's banter between Mandy and I. First of all, I have no idea if he's scum or not. I do however know he is someone I can pick on and he won't crumble, and I knew he'd engage in a conversation. Go back if you want and look at other games with Mandy and I (except for the poet one, where it was too much of a PITA to post...lol), we often have pages and pages of arguments and disagreements, we're loud and obnoxious and draw a lot of attention. Need I mention how long day 1 was in Sherwood? Was it 80 pages? Anyway, so I threw suspicion on Mandy to see who would bandwagon. And several of you did. And by bandwagoning here, I don't necessarily mean vote, since these denouncings are different, rather quote my same ideas... e.g. was is n8 who pretty much regurgitated what I had said about him being a hindrance to the town? (need to go back and check that.. I'm still getting the names down of the people new to me)

So all of you denouncing Mandy and I just b/c we're vocal and noticable, you're now all on my FOS list. Experience has taught me most scum don't want to be center stage and will be agreeable little lemmings following the vocal people leading a lynch. I seriously doubt Mandy or I will be denounced today... we're not the ones acting scummy. And those of you thinking this is some elaborate ploy, go find the other games I've have been in. It's how I've always played, regardless of side. Actually don't even bother with that, just notice how those I've played with a lot before haven't bothered to FOS me...."that's just wicked" is probably what they'll tell ya.

So I need to reread later today to come up with who I actually want to denounce based on their reactions to the banter yesterday.

That was one good plan. Now I'm less confussed. I'm starting to think that you start town though. Very good logic.

[0ojakeo0]

denounce wicked i think that you and mandy arguing is all a scheme and you posting so much is so nobody suspects u of submaring because you are mafia

[wicked]

denounce wicked i think that you and mandy arguing is all a scheme and you posting so much is so nobody suspects u of submaring because you are mafia

THE NOOB HAS SPOKEN!!

[0ojakeo0]

denounce wicked i think that you and mandy arguing is all a scheme and you posting so much is so nobody suspects u of submaring because you are mafia

THE NOOB HAS SPOKEN!!

dont call yourself a noob