Avatar, The Last Airbender - Game over

[Skoffin]

Eh despite flores's tanty I'm going to unvote, seems more likely to be townie after recent posts. Which again makes me suspect Jnd, couple his voting her after a mason claim plus my previous reasons makes him one of my prime suspects for the moment.

As for Mandy, he always seems scum to me. I didn't even think of the possibility of a lyncher but yeah there were those who were after Toph since the first episode you see her. So it is possible there is a role in the game sent to capture her for her parents.

P.S. As per Skoffin's request, I would like to add: You can lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong.

I knew this was coming. But weren't you mafia majority of the times you said it? How about we do it in reverse? We lynch you first and if you come up town THEN we lynch Flores Or maybe, we lynch you and not lynch flores anyway, and laugh as you are unable to dead-speak

And I'm not sure on the case of daydream, I need to reread a bit. urr... after I do some practice for 3u maths.

And I don't get all the jester hate, it seems like a mad role. Too bad I've never been one, but when I do get that role you will all be sorry.

[F1fth]

Well, people have said most of the things I had to say about the Flores wagon. I felt it was a more than a little strained. Ace got accused, made an unrefuted claim of a main character, Flores defended him, and the bandwagon got deflected onto her. I think people are just convincing themselves too easily of people's scumminess. Build up a case, don't base it off a shaky suspicion.

But all of that appears to be settled, and the more pressing matter at hand appears to be a Mr. Lorian. Mandy is not a poor player. His wild accusations, while sometimes seemingly ridiculous, are usually for smart reasons (whether he be scum or town) and are surprisingly accurate (when he is town). What bothers me more is that he quietly (keyword: quietly) backed down when town pushed his case. This makes me think he needs this lynch. I'd offer up being a lyncher as a possible explanation.

Nonetheless, it's enough to warrant a FOS his way.

[Sierra_Leon]

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Vote count

FloresDelMal - 6 (Fircoal, daydream, gimpyThewonder, cena-rules, william18, jnd94)
mandalorian2298 - 3 (FloresDelMal, ace1217, Minister Masket)
ace1217 - 2 (militant, mandalorian2298)
kwanton - 1 (Shadowstar)
william18 - 1 (nagerous)
daydream - 1 (ga7)

Not voting: got tonkaed, Thezzaruz, F1fth, Skoffin, kwanton, pancakemix

With 20 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch.

Then I should have nothing to worry about. [/b]Unvote Vote Flores[/b]

Could we get a vote count up in here?

I didn't count that vote, because of the wrong tags.

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[daydream]

Right, I procrastinated enough and will bring you a *drumroll* quote recollection!

I am toph, a roleblocker.

Sierra makes a mafia with fake roles for Scum and Ace claims on page 7. On the down side, it's not as fast as the Spiesr lynch, but on the up side we are about to bag a Scumster on Day 1.

Mandy didn't bother to check Wiki. SL had the amability to put links to a character database too... I also noticed he never changed his vote on Ace. This is not the lack of discernment we have learnt to cope with. Mandy sounds like a lyncher. Considering some people were specifically after Toph in the series, I have my suspicions.

Toph is quite a main character I see how Ace's description fits, but I'm thinking that Sierra could do better... Personally I want to know if anyone CCs.

I disagree. First off SL gave fake claims. How do we know that wasn't one of them. Sure it doesn't seem likely but hey, it could be. Also it's MANDY!!!! The insane theory guy. It's no way out of his league to think that Toph could be a fake claim. Except for the fact that it's so simple. I think this is fluff trying to get a bandwagon. Unvote Vote: Flores

FOS Fircoal You manage to contradict yourself to switch wherever the wind blows.
Let's adress the Toph claim here. She is one of the 5 main good guys part of the Avatar Team. This setting has enough good guys to provide a decent supply of fakeclaims. Why on earth take one of the 5 mains off in a 20+p game? This is not justifyable setting-wise, and while we shouldn't trust any claim this one is unbreakable. To think you use this lousy "it's Mandy" excuse to bandwagon while you perfectly know that makes me suspicious.

Why would Flores claim to be a main character on day 1 unless she is hoping to drum up support for her mandy allegations? No player of experience (and since she name dropped Godfather which was going on when i left i'm guessing she's been playing since) would out themselves like that if they truly had a power role and based on ace's claim we can safely assume that the major characters will have abilities.

Again, main character </> power role. Moreover from the looks of it Flores was merely trying to avoid Ace's lynch, while accusing Mandy; not trying to bandwagon Mandy. That said it seems people have to be careful about making cases here seeing the massive amount of bandwagonners *eyes Cena and William*

I can tell you that i hardly ever research a game setting, and while i'm not mandy and can't speak for his research habits, your allegations are groundless, sorry

You admit you know nothing of the characters and will not research it, but are still able to draw groundless conclusions like the one you made on the quote above? That's some pretty sophisticated lazyness you have there. Seems to me that so far you've made a fine job of trying to add fuel to the fire from the periphery, and I wouldn't be surprised to find you scum.

bold: Why is it so stupid? We have some stuff on you, but yet you only comment on how stupid we are? That really doesnt help anything.

underline: See above. "Letting you all lynch me"........if you're a townie, proving a point shouldn't be your top priority, helping yourself should be.

blue: So........one of your options would be to sell out someone to save yourself...unless there are 2 docs...that wouldn't help anyone.

italic: excuses excuses......

vote flores

bold: some stuff on you? The fact she claimed main character you mean?

underline: top priority of a townie is to find scum.

blue: I saw this refered in another post too. Why on earth should people be protected just because they claimed a non-vital town role? That's such a silly tactic. Docs should protect whoever they think is more likely to be killed, end of the story. I find it humourous that you answer a mason proof with that argument and end up voting on top of it however. Which brings me to an actual case!

Everyone noticed how weird the Jnd vote on daydream was after the Ace wagon. When I first saw it, I had an epiphany: this was the legendary "vote a scumbuddy day 1 for BS reason that won't cause a wagon"!
Let's look back at daydream's posts:

i guess i will join that bandwagon. p_o

unvote vote skoffin

unvote vote ace

time for a claim methinks?

this actually sounds like the best lead we have to me, especially since we were already hoping for protection for ace during the night since we all believe his claim. being a main character makes you important, and if you are a town main character its bound to make you a prime target. notice she said main character though, and not town or scum? I think we should follow up on this.

vote Flores

Please note that there were no other wagons in between. First vote with a reason, with a nonsensical argument.

I think that 3 wagons on the first 3 wagon occasions is a bit overkill and reeks of noob scum. I believe there is a link with Jnd based on his weak accusation.

Vote daydream

i just got up, so bear with me if my answer is somewhat confusing. i will try to adress everything in this long post, might accidentaly miss something though, so if i do call me out on it and i will get to that.

the first thing i could think after reading it was wait... you accused at least 3 different people of being scum plus one of being a lyncher. how can that ever hold water?!

I still believe my arguments on flores make a lot of sense: we have one person claiming a main character (likely to get doc protection, assuming there is one, but i would guess sokkas sister, can't think of her name right now would be a doc with her healing waterbending, and yes i watched the whole series as research) and then a second pops up and claims a main character as well. since it is likely that main characters, both good and bad, are power roles, i would say claiming to be one when another is already likely to be doc-protected is either foolish or scummy. since i dont take flores to be a fool, i assume it has to be the other.
I agree that the Jnd vote on me was weird, but it was likely either a) sincere, he thought i was scum or the reasons he posted or b) he is scum and just wanted someone non-scum lynched.
to my votes: the scoffin vote was exactly what it says it was: a bandwagon.
the ace vote was... well, stupid. If your research had been better you could have dug up a post a few pages earlier by me where i put ace down as 100% town. i only noticed that myself later when i checked back because i couldnt remember who i had cleared of my own suspicion.
then to the flores vote: you say i joined a bandwagon? how so? i was the first to vote her, apart from fircoal, who had done so for entirely different reasons much further back. and i still think my argumentation makes sense.

also, flores, please dont take this personaly in any way shape or form. i did not in any way want to get you that angry, i'm just trying to play the game at hand to the best of my abilities.

[daydream]

just remembered, there was one more thin i wanted to say: i feel quite certain that i am not the only one to have 3 different votes so far...

[nagerous]

Agreed, its highly unlikely there will be a jester here.

Case on daydream... hmmm.. I am not personally convinced, it seems more likely that he is being targetted right now for being new to the game, whilst more experienced players can get away scott-free and continue on sneakily whilst maintaining a low profile.

[ace1217]

I think we really really need to get rid of mandy, because he's dogging me so much its unbearable and make's me think he's a lyncher, and should be gotten rid of.unvote? vote mandy

[Thezzaruz]

Tome the one making most sense atm is ga7 so I'll follow his lead and vote daydream.

[nagerous]

People making sense

ergo

vote flores

Cena can you explain this vote to me please, by the sounds of things you are voting flores because she said she was a main character on the good side.. is this accurate?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

i know i overreacted, i have no excuse, and i was remembering about one time i got quite bugged for a very similar reaction from LSU when bandwagoned as a townie, acting like him makes me feel ashame, but truth to be told, i feel still pissy and cranky, so ill just meditate and imagine a ray of light purify my body or another hippie shit *giggles* and ill just dont look to this shi... err thread til i got my zen back ^^

When townies bandwagon for a stupid reason it is perfectly fine to get pissy. Most of us here have done it including yourself now

[cena-rules]

People making sense

ergo

vote flores

Cena can you explain this vote to me please, by the sounds of things you are voting flores because she said she was a main character on the good side.. is this accurate?

Nop there had been a lot of general talk about flores and stuff so I was to take action. Having read her post and a bit from someone else which has made me realise things

unvote

[nagerous]

People making sense

ergo

vote flores

Cena can you explain this vote to me please, by the sounds of things you are voting flores because she said she was a main character on the good side.. is this accurate?

Nop there had been a lot of general talk about flores and stuff so I was to take action. Having read her post and a bit from someone else which has made me realise things

unvote

Having no explanation for your previous actions is kind of scummy...

[FloresDelMal]

People making sense

ergo

vote flores

Cena can you explain this vote to me please, by the sounds of things you are voting flores because she said she was a main character on the good side.. is this accurate?

Nop there had been a lot of general talk about flores and stuff so I was to take action. Having read her post and a bit from someone else which has made me realise things

unvote

skimming for the win?

[mandalorian2298]

P.S. As per Skoffin's request, I would like to add: You can lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong.

I knew this was coming. But weren't you mafia majority of the times you said it?

Nope. I have been Mafia about 40% of times that I said it. I have been advocating a lynch of someone who really was Scum majority of times I said it.

hey there, allow me to say it would be no good to vote flores.

Daydream as ga7 has suggested has been doing quite a large amount of vote hopping, unnecessarily so. Also i dont think i really believe mandos out on a limb case here, but i do know that ace and flores arent scum buddies. Ill consider voting daydream if more evidence starts to go that way.

The bandwagon on flores as usual is full of day 1 sillyness.

This is an interesting claim. unvote vote Flores because 1) I believe that both she and Ace are scum (and no, I am not skimming Pancake. You are. I already said that in a game with safe claims you can't conclude that someone is pro-Town based on a claim. In fact, maybe real Toph simply decided not to counter-claim because he doesn't want to reveal himself to the Mobsters. ), 2) If Flores turns Scum, we will have a good case on Tonka for protecting her, 3) For reasons unknowable to me you guys are refusing to do the right thing and lynch Ace and i don't feel like arguing for 80 pages.

[cena-rules]

People making sense

ergo

vote flores

Cena can you explain this vote to me please, by the sounds of things you are voting flores because she said she was a main character on the good side.. is this accurate?

Nop there had been a lot of general talk about flores and stuff so I was to take action. Having read her post and a bit from someone else which has made me realise things

unvote

skimming for the win?

nope

b1 flores and stuff to do with her being mafia

b2 Im not saying who because that I think would give away 2 roles

[ace1217]

I believe that flores and GT are town, and cena and mandy are scum, and must die.

[nagerous]

P.S. As per Skoffin's request, I would like to add: You can lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong.

I knew this was coming. But weren't you mafia majority of the times you said it?

Nope. I have been Mafia about 40% of times that I said it. I have been advocating a lynch of someone who really was Scum majority of times I said it.

hey there, allow me to say it would be no good to vote flores.

Daydream as ga7 has suggested has been doing quite a large amount of vote hopping, unnecessarily so. Also i dont think i really believe mandos out on a limb case here, but i do know that ace and flores arent scum buddies. Ill consider voting daydream if more evidence starts to go that way.

The bandwagon on flores as usual is full of day 1 sillyness.

This is an interesting claim. unvote vote Flores because 1) I believe that both she and Ace are scum (and no, I am not skimming Pancake. You are. I already said that in a game with safe claims you can't conclude that someone is pro-Town based on a claim. In fact, maybe real Toph simply decided not to counter-claim because he doesn't want to reveal himself to the Mobsters. ), 2) If Flores turns Scum, we will have a good case on Tonka for protecting her, 3) For reasons unknowable to me you guys are refusing to do the right thing and lynch Ace and i don't feel like arguing for 80 pages.

I can think of at least 3 times you've said it. Twice directed at me and once at selin in sherwood. All three times you were wrong but on the 2 times you aimed it at me you failed to get me lynched anyway and I was town (1 time you were even a vig and shot me and failed).

[william18]

I believe that flores and GT are town, and cena and mandy are scum, and must die.

Can you please stop being so blunt and actually produce a case agaisnt the people you think are scum. We arn't going to follow this advice unless we have some case agaisnt them that plausible.

[gimpyThewonder]

BAH! so all it takes to clear yourself now is to throw a tantrum and have your boyfriend back you up? talk about a steamy pile. major FOS on ga7 - keep your personal life feelings outta the game. we have flores dead to rights on a slip up (or a stupid mistake if she were town) until ga7 comes to her rescue just like he did in our dub vs. sub discussion. no sir I don't buy it[-X she's scum and now i'm thinking you might be as well.

[pancakemix]

This is an interesting claim. unvote vote Flores because 1) I believe that both she and Ace are scum (and no, I am not skimming Pancake. You are. I already said that in a game with safe claims you can't conclude that someone is pro-Town based on a claim. In fact, maybe real Toph simply decided not to counter-claim because he doesn't want to reveal himself to the Mobsters. ), 2) If Flores turns Scum, we will have a good case on Tonka for protecting her, 3) For reasons unknowable to me you guys are refusing to do the right thing and lynch Ace and i don't feel like arguing for 80 pages.

But a main character? No one's that evil. Except maybe you.

[william18]

Anyway, I don't see why everyone's unvoting. Suddenly Ga7 does a post contridicting people who vote flores, then people start unvoting as if Flores claim was actually verified. I beleive mandy that flores is possibly scum, but that flores and ace are scum seem a bit far-fetched. So Im just gonna stick with flores. The fact that she mentioned contemplating about having a mason partner clear her does nothing to help her case.


Ohh, and since gimpy just fastposted me, agree with this quote aswell.

BAH! so all it takes to clear yourself now is to throw a tantrum and have your boyfriend back you up? talk about a steamy pile. major FOS on ga7 - keep your personal life feelings outta the game. we have flores dead to rights on a slip up (or a stupid mistake if she were town) until ga7 comes to her rescue just like he did in our dub vs. sub discussion. no sir I don't buy it[-X she's scum and now i'm thinking you might be as well.

After flores gots lynched, or is proven town otherwise, we should look at the people who unvoted so easily. They probably were afaid of Ga7 catching them, so they went back and unvoted to reduce suscpiscion.

[mandalorian2298]

P.S. As per Skoffin's request, I would like to add: You can lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong.

I knew this was coming. But weren't you mafia majority of the times you said it?

Nope. I have been Mafia about 40% of times that I said it. I have been advocating a lynch of someone who really was Scum majority of times I said it.

hey there, allow me to say it would be no good to vote flores.

Daydream as ga7 has suggested has been doing quite a large amount of vote hopping, unnecessarily so. Also i dont think i really believe mandos out on a limb case here, but i do know that ace and flores arent scum buddies. Ill consider voting daydream if more evidence starts to go that way.

The bandwagon on flores as usual is full of day 1 sillyness.

This is an interesting claim. unvote vote Flores because 1) I believe that both she and Ace are scum (and no, I am not skimming Pancake. You are. I already said that in a game with safe claims you can't conclude that someone is pro-Town based on a claim. In fact, maybe real Toph simply decided not to counter-claim because he doesn't want to reveal himself to the Mobsters. ), 2) If Flores turns Scum, we will have a good case on Tonka for protecting her, 3) For reasons unknowable to me you guys are refusing to do the right thing and lynch Ace and i don't feel like arguing for 80 pages.

I can think of at least 3 times you've said it. Twice directed at me and once at selin in sherwood. All three times you were wrong but on the 2 times you aimed it at me you failed to get me lynched anyway and I was town (1 time you were even a vig and shot me and failed).

Selin in Sherwood was a Locked Role. If Bishop got killed, he would have joined Mafia. So, I was right there (I have insisted on my own lynch for the same reason, if you remember.)

[jnd94]

I believe that flores and GT are town, and cena and mandy are scum, and must die.

have any proof of these claims, or are you just taking up bandwith?

Unless backed up, opinions are really worthless.

[FloresDelMal]

lets do this, even thought lynch me is the wrong thing to do when there are so many other leads, like cena, daydream and gympy, if you manage to lynch me, ill be proven town, then when this happen PLEASE use your brain and NK or lynch mandy, so at least this time around him doesnt get away with shrugging and saying "oops another townie down"

[FloresDelMal]

I believe that flores and GT are town, and cena and mandy are scum, and must die.

have any proof of these claims, or are you just taking up bandwith?

Unless backed up, opinions are really worthless.

seriously?? and what "REAL" backing up have all the lambs on my bandwagon? at least him voice his baseless opinion in a clear, honest and simple way, instead of make us lose time with half page of fluff