New Jedi Order Mafia MOZ & VONG WIN

[Anarkistsdream]

I agree about voting Neutrino

Vote: Neutrino

[Talapus]

Wow, I really don't get why some bandwagons develope so quickly for so little. Anyhow, it looks like there are a few people to look more closely at, but there doesn't seem to be much concrete evidence so far.

I really don't see how some people find Selin suspicious though for making that long post...it's Selin, what mafia game is there where he doesn't post stuff like that.

As for skoffin, well....has anybody played a game with her where she posted numerous times in a day? I haven't...

Nuetrino might be a good bet to lynch, but I have to reread. So for now, FOS neutrino.

[kalishnikov]

Wow, I really don't get why some bandwagons develope so quickly for so little. Anyhow, it looks like there are a few people to look more closely at, but there doesn't seem to be much concrete evidence so far.

I really don't see how some people find Selin suspicious though for making that long post...it's Selin, what mafia game is there where he doesn't post stuff like that.

As for skoffin, well....has anybody played a game with her where she posted numerous times in a day? I haven't...

Nuetrino might be a good bet to lynch, but I have to reread. So for now, FOS neutrino.

This is almost exactly what is was gonna say, except I was going to end with Vote: Neutrino.

As for the quick bandwagons, I think it's just for lack of any solid evidence. People are unsure so they just jump on whoever's being voted at the moment, also with the addition of the scum/indies jumping on just to get a lynch.

[Syzygy]

Wow, I really don't get why some bandwagons develope so quickly for so little. Anyhow, it looks like there are a few people to look more closely at, but there doesn't seem to be much concrete evidence so far.

I really don't see how some people find Selin suspicious though for making that long post...it's Selin, what mafia game is there where he doesn't post stuff like that.

As for skoffin, well....has anybody played a game with her where she posted numerous times in a day? I haven't...

Nuetrino might be a good bet to lynch, but I have to reread. So for now, FOS neutrino.

This is almost exactly what is was gonna say, except I was going to end with Vote: Neutrino.

As for the quick bandwagons, I think it's just for lack of any solid evidence. People are unsure so they just jump on whoever's being voted at the moment, also with the addition of the scum/indies jumping on just to get a lynch.

So wait... Let me get this straight, you bandwagon and then criticize people for bandwagoning.

[kwanton]

I don't like these bandwagons. We have no time limit. Unvote and take things slow. First there was a bandwagon on Skoffin. Then poeple said not to bandwagon on Skoffin. Then the same people who said not to bandwagon on skoff bandwagoned on neutrino. I'd like to take full advantage of the day plz. Not like yesterday.

Dont lynch Skoffin. I dont want to roleclaim, but DONT lynch Skoffin.

This is the only thing that really stood out to me. There's no way we can know if we can trust jnd or not. If he's trying to fool us and we believe him, then that's two scum we've let slip. If he's telling the truth and we lynch skoffin, then that's a probable very important role based on jnd's reaction.

[MountainLion]

#-o thought you picked up the hints ML

sorry nag

[mandalorian2298]

#-o thought you picked up the hints ML

sorry nag

*burries them both deeper*. Please use PMs untill the game ends, guys.

[mandalorian2298]

VOTE COUNT

Skoffin (3) - Ga7, Fircoal, Neutrino
Neutrino (4) - Jnd, Serbia, Nark, Kalish

15 alive, 8 to lynch.

[Anarkistsdream]

So Kwanton... I know where you are coming from, but what do you say? Are you suggesting we lynch either JND or Skoffin and see what comes of it?

I think we all noticed JNDs little freak-out, and all I can think of are masons of some kind.

So, even if they ARE masons, we can't guarantee that just because one is good or evil that the other one is too.

I suppose I would just like to here some valid options and not just arguments.

It seems that nobody likes the way someone else is doing something. That is understandable. But we need a course of action, and Neutrino does seem like a safe bet.

Sitting around to has and re-hash and re-re-hash the same topics don't really do us a whole lot of good.

I would like to find who has Jacen Solo, and how we can get him back.

[Anarkistsdream]

Kalishnikov... I am a bit bewildered the same as Syzygy.

You bandwagon, then criticize a bandwagon? I'm worried you are double talking yourself. And only two types of mafia players do that- those that are scum and those that are dumb...

So, Kalish... Which are you?

[Selin]

Dont lynch Skoffin. I dont want to roleclaim, but DONT lynch Skoffin.

a) jnd and skoffin are masons. If that's true, jnd is most probably not scum. Because I can't think of him gambling with a staement like that and preparing us such a trick (don't take it personal jnd). However Skoffin may be still scum, jnd not knowing it. Personally I think that the probability of 1 scum/1 pro town masons is slightly higher than 2 pro town masons, because mods usually prefer to have a variety in their mafia game constellations. Actually that was the case also in my last mafia game (if I'm not wrong, it was Bad Poet's Cafe of aimless).

b) jnd and skoffin are both scum. In my opinion that's a very small chance. I might have been more careful with my statement, if they were, let's say, AK_iceman and aimless.

c) jnd has somehow information about skoffin. This may be the case under certain circumstances that I don't want to explain in detail at this stage.

>>> I think the most probable option is a).

jnd and skoffin, any comments from your side?

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[got tonkaed]

i actually dont mind pressing someone either on the wagons or jnd/skoffin team. Frankly there are probably enough threats out there that any group of identifiable pairs should maybe be brought into question. If they can flush out good information it starts to narrow down the list a little bit.

Anark....as far as the storyline of NJO the vong should have jacen.

[Anarkistsdream]

i actually dont mind pressing someone either on the wagons or jnd/skoffin team. Frankly there are probably enough threats out there that any group of identifiable pairs should maybe be brought into question. If they can flush out good information it starts to narrow down the list a little bit.

Anark....as far as the storyline of NJO the vong should have jacen.

Oh, I realize that, What I meant was finding those left who still ARE Vong. I mean, to free him do we have to target the correct Vong who is holding him? Will he be released automatically after a set time?

Those are the questions I meant.

[got tonkaed]

i actually dont mind pressing someone either on the wagons or jnd/skoffin team. Frankly there are probably enough threats out there that any group of identifiable pairs should maybe be brought into question. If they can flush out good information it starts to narrow down the list a little bit.

Anark....as far as the storyline of NJO the vong should have jacen.

Oh, I realize that, What I meant was finding those left who still ARE Vong. I mean, to free him do we have to target the correct Vong who is holding him? Will he be released automatically after a set time?

Those are the questions I meant.

actually i think as far as the story goes, hes going to escape from the vong...but i dont know how close to the storyline mando is going to play. He has basically followed it so far, so i would assume jacen is going to escape.

[Anarkistsdream]

Gotcha... Thanks GT.

[got tonkaed]

having looked at some of the things of whose died and whose likely to still be alive i think we have to look at the following possiblities as a minimum.

Its quite possible that shimarra, omini, and nom anor are all still alive on the vong side. There could be other roles of course, but these seem like very likely roles for mando to have put in the game.

Out of these roles, the closest that i could pin anyone on a game dynamic sense would be nom anor. Nom is a crafty role that tends to infitrate and in mafia seemingly the best way to do this would be to have him as a mason that the partner would be given assurance is town. Therefore it seems to me that either skoffin or jnd might not be a bad choice for todays lynch with skoffin being an even better target.

therefore ill

vote skoffin

[Selin]

.....
Meanwhile, the small ship winks into existance. It is filled by the Yuuzhan Vong Shapers who are intent on shaping a world. On it, there is also a Fosh who intents to shape a saviour. And there is Jacen Solo, who just wants to escape....

Jacen Solo is captured. His vote doesn't count and he is unlynchable for today.

Mandy's post indicates that Jacen Solo may be back tomorrow or later. And he may be back with valuable information, as he is captured by Yuuzhan Vong, i.e. if we can find a way to help him to escape, he may reveal one or more scum (those who captured him). Another theory could be if we can lynch today that specific scum who captured him, he may escape. It's also possible that he can escape by his own. Or he may kill the scum who captured him.

However these are all positive possibilities. If you read the real story of his role in Star Wars (in Wiki), you can see that there there can be negative effects. I copied below an interesting paragraph from Wiki.

He is the eldest son of Han Solo and Leia Organa Solo, the younger twin of Jaina and the older brother of Anakin. Even before he and his sister were born, their uncle Luke Skywalker could sense their strong presence in the Force. Jacen shares an almost inseparable bond with his twin sister, as well as close bonds with sentients and animals alike. He is trained in the Force by his uncle, and becomes an exceptionally strong Jedi Knight. Though he has not been formally declared a Jedi Master, Jacen has assumed the training of his young cousin, Ben. Some years after the Yuhzhan Vong war, Jacen encounters the Dark Lady of the Sith, Lumiya. Shortly after, Jacen Solo chooses to become a Dark Lord of the Sith and willingly accepts the dark side of the force. In his quest to become a Sith, he has killed a young Jedi, tortured and killed the daughter of Boba Fett, seized control of the Galactic Alliance, and killed his aunt Mara Jade Skywalker, the wife of Luke Skywalker. After this "sacrifice", Jacen ascended fully to the dark side to assume the mantle of the new Dark Lord of the Sith. He has now taken the name of Darth Caedus.

I think mandy will give him the option to join scum or to escape from scum under certain conditions. But nothing is sure.

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[Selin]

having looked at some of the things of whose died and whose likely to still be alive i think we have to look at the following possiblities as a minimum.

Its quite possible that shimarra, omini, and nom anor are all still alive on the vong side. There could be other roles of course, but these seem like very likely roles for mando to have put in the game.

Out of these roles, the closest that i could pin anyone on a game dynamic sense would be nom anor. Nom is a crafty role that tends to infitrate and in mafia seemingly the best way to do this would be to have him as a mason that the partner would be given assurance is town. Therefore it seems to me that either skoffin or jnd might not be a bad choice for todays lynch with skoffin being an even better target.

therefore ill

vote skoffin

Hmm, really interesting... and convincing too!

I have also a tendency to vote skoffin, but we can wait for his comments on your post and my earlier posts, as we don't have a time limit.

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[Serbia]

Yeah, I'll agree, that is some good evidence for voting Skoffin... or it could be a good way to distract us into lynching two townies. Although, after JND's Braveheart mafia, where we got screwed by Mandy playing a scum mason, I might be willing to lynch them to find out.

[jnd94]

Ok, well, let me explain myself. I dont want to roleclaim because of obvious securtiy risks, but here goes:

I wouldnt consider my post a freak out, but a warning to any of you scumbags ready to bandwagon Skoffin.I know Skoffin's role, although she might not know mine. During "The Hunt", Mandy gave me a mission. If I succeeded, I learned of a person's role. I succeeded, and know I know.

[mandalorian2298]

VOTE COUNT

Skoffin (4) - Ga7, Fircoal, Neutrino, Tonka
Neutrino (4) - Jnd, Serbia, Nark, Kalish

15 alive, 8 to lynch.

Jacen killed Mara?! Dammit Selin, I haven't gotten to that part yet!

[Selin]

......

Jacen killed Mara?! Dammit Selin, I haven't gotten to that part yet!

Hehe...

This part comes after Jason joined in the dark side. This is according to the real story, but the important question is how your story goes!

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[got tonkaed]

VOTE COUNT

Skoffin (4) - Ga7, Fircoal, Neutrino, Tonka
Neutrino (4) - Jnd, Serbia, Nark, Kalish

15 alive, 8 to lynch.

Jacen killed Mara?! Dammit Selin, I haven't gotten to that part yet!

lol id recommend not reading the wiki then

[kwanton]

So Kwanton... I know where you are coming from, but what do you say? Are you suggesting we lynch either JND or Skoffin and see what comes of it?

I think we all noticed JNDs little freak-out, and all I can think of are masons of some kind.

So, even if they ARE masons, we can't guarantee that just because one is good or evil that the other one is too.

I suppose I would just like to here some valid options and not just arguments.

It seems that nobody likes the way someone else is doing something. That is understandable. But we need a course of action, and Neutrino does seem like a safe bet.

Sitting around to has and re-hash and re-re-hash the same topics don't really do us a whole lot of good.

I would like to find who has Jacen Solo, and how we can get him back.

hrm. well a main point of mine was to take full advantage of the day. I don't think we should decide who to lynch right now. jnd has already stated his case (these missions from mandy seem to be a main explanation for seemingly scum-tells). I'd wait for skoffin and nuet to state theirs.

I also have my own reason for wanting to take full advantage of the day. I want to observe the posts of a certain few people.

[Huckleberryhound]

Hi guys, i'll read back for a while then post again