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Who is the MVP?

Poll ended at Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:54 pm

the white rose
5
33%
Metsfanmax
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7%
Iron Butterfly
0
No votes
AladdinSane
7
47%
madmitch
1
7%
/ aka Slash
1
7%
Rishaed
0
No votes
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Total votes : 15

Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby StorrZerg on Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:46 pm

Regarding power, the revive and the protection worked independently. Revive happened at day start. So a night block wouldn't stop a revive.

@aladdinsane I've given reasons, ACTUAL reasons. As well as using logic, and obvious information. I can't argue with your paranoid bullshit, because thats what it is. Its paranoid bullshit. What if you are causing cops to miss checks sometimes, what if your role is actually faulty, HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR ROLE REALLY WORKS? See i can ask a bunch of dumb questions too. Thing is, my role HAS been proven. I have brought someone back form the dead. He was town when he died, he is still town. stop trying to lynch someone because your paranoid with 20 people in the game and lynch someone that actually has a chance to be scum. Stay paranoid idc, but find mafia today. No real world do i get lynched today. Marashu should have a chance to prove his role.
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby Metsfanmax on Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:04 pm

StorrZerg wrote:Regarding power, the revive and the protection worked independently. Revive happened at day start. So a night block wouldn't stop a revive.


This is not a good argument. All effects resolve when the mod posts the scene. If you were blocked, you would have been blocked on all actions.

@aladdinsane I've given reasons, ACTUAL reasons. As well as using logic, and obvious information. I can't argue with your paranoid bullshit, because thats what it is. Its paranoid bullshit.


Now let me preface the following by saying that I agree, Aladdin's theories are all completely paranoid and are serving to distract us. They shouldn't be given much merit. With that being said,

Thing is, my role HAS been proven. I have brought someone back form the dead.


We don't know that. What we know is that you said Marashu would be brought back from the dead, and then he was. Probably what happened is that you do have a revive power and you did revive Marashu, but there are other possibilities. Like you are in a 3P or scum group with other people who do have a revive power, and you're shifting focus away from them and onto you. Or there's some completely different mechanic in play that revives people, and you knew that it was going to bring him back ahead of time. The fact is that you alluded to sacrificing yourself to bring back Marashu on N2, and you're still alive. So either you were lying to us or you don't fully understand your role. In either case you can't blame someone else for questioning your complete confidence in everything you say.

He was town when he died, he is still town.


Based on what? I'll admit that probably he is town, because having an effect to bring someone back and change their alignment is just unlikely. But can we be certain he's town? No, and despite all the shit that Aladdin is tossing around, you're making things worse too by responding to his paranoia with this crap.

Based on all this, and the faulty logic you spewed about Wing, that would be enough to go ahead and

Vote Storr

But still there's more. We have claims of inventor from both Ragian and LSU Tiger Josh. Ragian says he gave a gun to degaston on N1 and "something" to benga on N2. LSU Tiger Josh says he gave the 8 ball to IB on N1 and a sweater to Storr N2. We don't even have to get into the question of whether the sweater "saved" Storr, which is a patently ridiculous discussion no matter how you slice it. No, instead we need to ask -- how did Storr have the ability to both revive someone N2 and protect people the same night, if both of the claimed inventors didn't give him either of those powers?

Storr is lying. Lynch all liars.
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby StorrZerg on Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:43 pm

Reviving happens when ever. I can use it at night or day. I used it at day start. The actions did not overlap.

It's simple. Save x people at night, day start, bring back Marashu
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby StorrZerg on Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:48 pm

Mets how paranoid do you have to be about someone claiming they are going to bring someone back, then it happens, for you to believe t was scum influence.

Faulty logic... we have had 1 kill each night. . And a jailer who admits blocking a "town CPR doc" aka a sk, or additional mafia kp. Ffs.
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby Metsfanmax on Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:51 pm

Re: the roleblocking. Ok, maybe you're right. There's still a bevy of other concerns I have about you.

StorrZerg wrote:Mets how paranoid do you have to be about someone claiming they are going to bring someone back, then it happens, for you to believe t was scum influence.


How much of a liar do you have to be to say that you're leaving the game to bring him back, and then somehow you're still here D3?

Answer: a big liar.
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby Metsfanmax on Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:59 pm

StorrZerg wrote:Faulty logic... we have had 1 kill each night. . And a jailer who admits blocking a "town CPR doc" aka a sk, or additional mafia kp. Ffs.


Way to completely ignore the point I made. Specifically, that Wing claimed CPR Doc and that he had been blocked twice in a row, and then someone came out and admitted that they had blocked him twice in a row. Why would Wing claim CPR Doc and then claim he had been blocked, without knowing for sure that any independent player had tried to block him? It would be an insane gamble. In this case the obvious answer is most likely the right one -- Wing really is the CPR doc, and rish really did block him. You could be right but the likelihood of that is small enough that going all in on a Wing lynch today just seems like a completely bad call.

(Admittedly both rish and Wing could be scum, and Wing did that knowing that rish would back him up. But I don't see you advocating that, which is why I called your logic faulty.)
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby Iron Butterfly on Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:49 pm

Sometimes it is the small things that are most important.
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:58 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:Sometimes it is the small things that are most important.


Which leads to what conclusion?

What is this post?
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby StorrZerg on Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:28 pm

so what scummy reason do i have to lie about dieing. I thought i was going to die, i didn't.
Fact is, i thought i was going to be dead when day started. I wasn't dead. Something happened, my assumption was the gift.

mets rish and wcg comes down to how they present why they did what actions they did. rish makes more sense.
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby rishaed on Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:40 pm

rizky_biznezz wrote:the people i was leaning suspicious on earlier came out with helpful roles... rish i was wondering about because D1 he wanted to get claims out of more ppl but then D2 he was against the claims, but he is claiming jailer...and benga well he wasn't posting much, was skimming and made a weak case and voted pt N1... but he is going with retired cop and was right about sausage so he is off the list too...

my vote is currently on falko who i was also suspicious of early firstly because of his total absence D1 and first appearance during the night and then because of his vote for pt after he claimed.. but he pointed out pancakes lack of posts and later voted for a pancake modkill im guessing if he was scum he probably wouldn't have done that unless it was purely for town cred figuring he would get lynched anyway..

I wanted Claims D2, I was against Mass Claiming. There is a large difference.
Also for all you newbz who can't wrap their head around the fact that A. Storr is confirmed town because of the cop check from ptlowe. Get over it. Move on. Storr cannot be scum right now because unless Marashu is messing with us the cult recruiter is dead. And while I have some misgivings about how certain things today, Our most important thing is finding scum. People trying to get storr lynched are either super new, or scum. Also DJ's posts haven't been contributing to just about anything this game so vote DJpat
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby DJPatrick on Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:25 pm

Thanx, Rishaed...feeling the lurv!!!

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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:02 pm

If I am wrong about wing being scum, then I do know who's advice I will be following, but not saying at this point. I still think I am correct.
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby rizky_biznezz on Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:55 pm

@falko why did u choose to only vote virus/one of the inactives for the modkill not all or none?
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby Falkomagno on Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:02 pm

rizky_biznezz wrote:@falko why did u choose to only vote virus/one of the inactive for the modkill not all or none?


because he was the less active of those three at that moment. His way of playing is also suspicious.....The paradox is, the inactive players are most likely to be town at the end of the day, for the only reason that mafia players are not only prodded by the mods, but probably also by their scum buddies. Check the virus posts by itself, compare with the ones of pancake mix, you can see that virus is playing just to avoid being modkilled, without further contribution. That can be said also from another players.

@ragian, thanks for clarifying..its difficult to keep updated with this massive number of posts. So you broke your teeth, and that was it. Somebody who didn't eat the apple had received any effect??
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:30 pm

I don't think pcm was sent to do the kill. When I mod, I make the one doing the kill actually message it to me even if there is a godfather, just to make sure there is an activity check going on.
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby rizky_biznezz on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:05 am

Ok thanks for the reply falko I'm still not sure about u.. Ur post about us quoting a word from our pm's seemed a bit suss too like perhaps u were hoping someone would just do it and get modkilled for rule breaking.. Not sure what it would have done either because as soon as one townie posted the word scum would know it and post it too..
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:21 am

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:I don't think pcm was sent to do the kill. When I mod, I make the one doing the kill actually message it to me even if there is a godfather, just to make sure there is an activity check going on.


And do you think that how you mod on a question like this is how everyone else would mod?
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:33 am

StorrZerg wrote:Mets rish and wcg comes down to how they present why they did what actions they did. rish makes more sense.


Why does one of us have to be scum?

You have concerns about my choice of targets, but think about it, I could make any targets I like up at the moment as there is no way to prove who I tried to kill, so why is my reasoning important? You're just being paranoid here, which I understand because its rare for us to go without attempting to lynch either at some point, but this game is the exception.

I think we need to cut the paranoia and start lynching those we know to mafia rather than suspect. Starting with DJ.

Unvote Vote DJ

@Mets - Even if I was SK/Mafia, I would still know that my actions had been blocked twice. There doesnt have to be a link betwen me and Rish for me to be non-town.
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:39 am

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:@Mets - Even if I was SK/Mafia, I would still know that my actions had been blocked twice. There doesnt have to be a link betwen me and Rish for me to be non-town.


Storr is not suggesting that you are mafia CPR doc, he is suggesting that you are just mafia and likely don't have your own independent killing power at all.
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:45 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:@Mets - Even if I was SK/Mafia, I would still know that my actions had been blocked twice. There doesnt have to be a link betwen me and Rish for me to be non-town.


Storr is not suggesting that you are mafia CPR doc, he is suggesting that you are just mafia and likely don't have your own independent killing power at all.


Oh come on, thats just stupid. Why would I claim to have a kill if I was never going to kill people? Rish shouldnt be blocking me anymore, so how long does he think I could pretend for if I didnt have a kill power?
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:53 am

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:@Mets - Even if I was SK/Mafia, I would still know that my actions had been blocked twice. There doesnt have to be a link betwen me and Rish for me to be non-town.


Storr is not suggesting that you are mafia CPR doc, he is suggesting that you are just mafia and likely don't have your own independent killing power at all.


Oh come on, thats just stupid. Why would I claim to have a kill if I was never going to kill people? Rish shouldnt be blocking me anymore, so how long does he think I could pretend for if I didnt have a kill power?


Indeed. Storr is smarter than that. So I think he's trying to mislead us.
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby AladdinSane on Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:21 am

Unoffishal vote count, becorse we havent had wun in a wile:

DJP (5) – LSU TJ, Wing, IB, Falko, Rish
Storr (3) – Mitch, Aladdin, Mets
Wing (3) – Storr, DJP, Player
Falko (2) – Benga, RB
IB (1) - / (Slash)

Virus (2) – DJP&, / (Slash)&

Teh "&"s denote wot I have taken to be votes fer inaktivity.
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby AladdinSane on Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:10 am

NB: in teh unoffishal vote count, I havent listed the votes in cronolojikal order. We'll get dat wit teh offishal count.
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (20/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby AladdinSane on Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:59 am

Storr wrote:Thing is, my role HAS been proven. I have brought someone back form the dead. He was town when he died, he is still town.


*sigh* Okay, let me walk you orl thru a cupple tings reeeeeeel sloooooow:

We can agree dat Marashu was 100% Town Insane Cop wen he died. Dat's wot he flipped, dat's wot he was AT DAT TIME. No kwestjun.

The kwestjun is: In dis game in witch the mods are not just been basterds but have aparently desided to go full cant, why wood we tink he has cum bak teh same, esp. in the ite of dis, witch I am geting tired of reposting:

If a game is not No Reveal but includes revival in some form, it is more likely that the revived player has secretly received a non-Town Role PM in the interim than that they are the same role as before.

1. We shood consider dat Marashu is, at best, a 50/50 chanse to return teh same. Acording to dis quote, teh odds overall are less then 50/50.

2. You must have known dis. Theirfore teh vewy act of bringink bak Marashu itself looks scummy.

3. Wot is making me more suspishus is yore repeeted atempts to sweep dis under teh carpet and insist dat Marashu is teh same as befour. Seems to me dat a Town wood aknollege teh posibility dat Marashu is diferent now.

Mets kinda gets it, but he is rong, in teh lite of teh above quote, too say it is unlikely dat Marashu is diferunt now. It is ackshually likely.

metsfanmax wrote:Based on what? I'll admit that probably he is town, because having an effect to bring someone back and change their alignment is just unlikely. But can we be certain he's town? No, and despite all the shit that Aladdin is tossing around, you're making things worse too by responding to his paranoia with this crap.


Now, on to PTLowe's chek on Storr:

Rishaed wrote:Also for all you newbz who can't wrap their head around the fact that A. Storr is confirmed town because of the cop check from ptlowe. Get over it. Move on. Storr cannot be scum right now because unless Marashu is messing with us the cult recruiter is dead.


PTLowe flipped Town Cop, so his chek carrys a lot of weigt, BUT it is NOT watertite, as Storr (and now Rish??? - hmmm) wants us to beleeve. Why? Well, Godfather wood return Town to PTLowe, fer a start. Den there is teh posibility of busdriving. So, yes, PTLowe's chek does make Storr look considderably moor Townish, but def not 100%.

Agin, it is Storr's ackshuns dat make me suspishus of him - bringink back Marashu and den insisting he is teh same as befor he dyed, and pushing hard fer a massclaim dat just looks bad fer Town. And, agin, his reackshun dozent help his corze: He bangs on insessently about how he has been cop cheked, but refuses to acknowledge teh chek isent watertite.

@Rish: And why wood we tink Marashu isent messing wit us? I showed above (agin) dat teh chances are dat he is scum now. Agin, who benefits frum Marashu's assershun dat HotShot was a Cult recrooter? IB - becorse it lends creedence to IB's claim dat HS was danjerus to Town. Like IB says, sumtimes it is teh littul tings dat matter.
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Re: [SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia (22/28) D3 - A life and a death

Postby Ragian on Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:00 am

degaston wrote:
Ragian wrote:
degaston wrote:I received a gun on N1 that kind of turned me a into day vig, but the gun didn't work as expected, and it turned out to be one-shot.

I was wesponsible for that. Did you not wead the Lincoln quote attached to it? It wasn't a gun as such. You should think more Staw Twek: It had the oppowtunity to pawalyze, wound, and kill. Obviously, wounding wouldn't wesult in killing as the thiwd option would have been wedundant then. By wounding mitch, you jailed him. I chose you because you gave out a townie vibe D1 in my opinion. However, the kill option was a suicidal one as thewe was the possibility of me handing something to scum. Hence the Lincoln quote. I figuwed that if scum had gotten the gun, they would've use the kill option (and killed themselves in the pwocess).

What was I supposed to conclude from that quote even if I had realized it was by Lincoln, and I was "thinking Star Trek"?

Would the kill option also have killed the target?

It was a quote meant to indicate that using the kill option meant your own death. The "gun" would have exploded in your hand and killed you.

I'm hung over. Will read closer later today.
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