[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[degaston]

Only thing I recevied was an apple like everyone else.

I investigated Rag during night and he cam back town.

Earlier, you said you did your first investigation during the day because you were concerned that you might get tainted results.
Why did you then investigate Ragian at night, and how do you know that investigation wasn't tainted?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Only thing I recevied was an apple like everyone else.

I investigated Rag during night and he cam back town.

Earlier, you said you did your first investigation during the day because you were concerned that you might get tainted results.
Why did you then investigate Ragian at night, and how do you know that investigation wasn't tainted?

Deg - trust me, i'll something tomorrow on this

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

*explain

[benga]

Only thing I recevied was an apple like everyone else.

I investigated Rag during night and he cam back town.

Earlier, you said you did your first investigation during the day because you were concerned that you might get tainted results.
Why did you then investigate Ragian at night, and how do you know that investigation wasn't tainted?

I played foolishly, thought I would get my results before my possible death, as I wanted to give town one more insight.

Don't know if it's tainted, that's why I said I did my investigation over night.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

now for LSU.

so you are an inventor....what does that mean exactly, what can you invent? how about a truth serum that you can give to all? or a working 8 ball? Clearly there are limitations as to what you can invent - what are they? Each night I can invent something of my choice and submit it to the mods. Night 1 I did the 8 ball and sent it to Streaker and the "wrong dakky" lmao. It was meant to be an unlimited use magic 8 ball to determine aliance settings, but Streaker made it a one time use. Night 2 I did the sweater on Storr. Yes, I told him not to sacrifice himself, but had a feeling that he might not die and the way he was claiming to be a second "god" had me a bit concerned so I wanted to verify his role name seeing how the magic 8 ball didn't work when it came to giving out alignment correctly. I'm not allowed to create killer items and the mods maintained the right to veto any item they viewed gamebreaking. I can't say why I didn't feel he would die from it but internally I had a gut feeling that he wasn't "Jesus" so he wouldn't die himself to raise soemone else up. Doesn't sound ideal, but seeing how my gifts haven't worked the way I wanted so far I'm trying different things out with them to figure out what I can really do with them.

and to reiterate aladdin's question. why invent a role revealing sweater and give it to storr, who had already said was sacrificing himself to bring back mars? your previous answer of i didn't think he would die is not good enough, you asked him not to give his life for mars....therefore you showed that you did believe he would die, yet you still gave him a sweater, when there were about 20 other guys that would have been a better use for a such a sweater.

[degaston]

Your voting the one with a green check I can't even like a white girl right now.

How much do you trust that check?
What's wrong with white girls?

[Ragian]

So just to be clear, everyone's okay with having two town inventors? One who gives out sweaters and magic 8-balls, and one who gives out suicide guns, and who knows what else?
Ragian has been seriously scummarining since I started this line of inquiry. He logged in again at 10:27 today, but said nothing. He knows he's been caught.

The scum are not going to help - the silence on this tells me that they want it to just be ignored. I need the townies to get behind this.
Vote Ragian

There were more than one cop, but you're fine with that? If I haven't answered any questions to your satisfaction, I'm sorry, but I can't keep up with this friggin' pace. Also, stop using my login times to deduce anything. I'm taking my turns, you know.

Now, As I've said earlier. I gave you the gift because I trusted you. Right now, though, you seem very bewildered. You received a gun with three settings. It could paralyze (roleblock) its target; it could wound (jail) its target; and it could kill (kill) its target (only it wouldn't, it would kill the user instead). The last setting was added to the gun in case you were scum. I was confident that scum would try to get an extra kill in and BOOM, scum is down one member. The Lincoln quote indicated that using excessive force is "short-lived". Surely, that was a hint that you shouldn't attempt to kill anyone.

Now, stop voting against a green copcheck.

I gave Benga a Personality Module last night. If he didn't receive it, someone is messing with either me or Benga. I'm not saying what it does till I know who has it.

FP'ed by Deg.

[Ragian]

@Deg, I forgot to add that the annoyance was not directed at you. It was directed at Aladdin who tried to conjure up ghosts about the gun I gave you. I'm annoyed with your vote now, though

[Iron Butterfly]

So just to be clear, everyone's okay with having two town inventors? One who gives out sweaters and magic 8-balls, and one who gives out suicide guns, and who knows what else?
Ragian has been seriously scummarining since I started this line of inquiry. He logged in again at 10:27 today, but said nothing. He knows he's been caught.

The scum are not going to help - the silence on this tells me that they want it to just be ignored. I need the townies to get behind this.
Vote Ragian

And yet we had multiple cops. Multiple vigs. Multiplee blockers.

Are you voting because you think he is lying about role?

[degaston]

And yet we had multiple cops. Multiple vigs. Multiplee blockers.

In a "Surprise" bastard game with multiple anti-town factions, I wouldn't assume that even the cops are all pro-town, much less the vigs and blockers, and especially not the inventors, who have no standard alignment.

Are you voting because you think he is lying about role?

I believe he is an inventor. I'm voting for him because I think he's scum. His invention was designed to kill a user who didn't know what it did, and he says that he gave it to me because he thought I was town. Most people, whether they're scum or town, would use a weapon to kill, especially if they were not sure what the other options did. Kill was the only option that implied no doubt about what it did. But if Ragian is scum, and it fell into the hands of some other scum, then they would know not to try to kill with it, and it could still be useful to them to role-block or jail.

I don't buy the Lincoln quote being a clue to town not to use it. It could just as easily be interpreted to mean that it was just a one shot weapon, so if you want to get the best use from it, you'd better use it to kill. In any case, there's no reason to think that town would interpret it correctly, while scum would not.

[degaston]

@Deg, I forgot to add that the annoyance was not directed at you. It was directed at Aladdin who tried to conjure up ghosts about the gun I gave you. I'm annoyed with your vote now, though

I see that I misinterpreted part of your reply because of a misquote. Sorry about the annoyance. I still think you're scum.

[StorrZerg]

Your voting the one with a green check I can't even like a white girl right now.

How much do you trust that check?
What's wrong with white girls?

I trust the check more since rage invention worked as intended. LSU inventions been all messed up.

Either way it's more night actions. It's dumb to get rid of one of them today.

[degaston]

Your voting the one with a green check I can't even like a white girl right now.

How much do you trust that check?
What's wrong with white girls?

I trust the check more since rage invention worked as intended. LSU inventions been all messed up.

Why do you say that Rage's invention worked as intended? Do you know what it did? I can't tell a thing about it from what happened.

Benga apparently didn't receive his "gift" from Rage. It seems likely that some kind of bus driving or redirecting was going on. I would not be too surprised if his investigation had also been affected.

[AladdinSane]

Benga apparently didn't receive his "gift" from Rage. It seems likely that some kind of bus driving or redirecting was going on. I would not be too surprised if his investigation had also been affected.

I think so. Tell me, if sumwun else receeved it and kept kwiet, wood you consider dat Town or anti-Town? And if sumwun else knew about dis firt sumwun and kept kwiet, wood dat be Town or anti-Town?

[StorrZerg]

Psa, guys I get it we had a bunch of checks, unsure of trusting some because of bus or godfather . But it makes no sense to risk a cop check at this stage of the game, when we might lynch godfather etc latter.

Stop trying to lynch roles that can still provide information as well as people who have been checked. Lynch people who will not be helpful in 2 parts. Role is useless, and they have not done anything for town.

[degaston]

Benga apparently didn't receive his "gift" from Rage. It seems likely that some kind of bus driving or redirecting was going on. I would not be too surprised if his investigation had also been affected.

I think so. Tell me, if sumwun else receeved it and kept kwiet, wood you consider dat Town or anti-Town? And if sumwun else knew about dis firt sumwun and kept kwiet, wood dat be Town or anti-Town?

I would take it on a case by case basis before deciding whether I thought any actions were pro or anti town. But if someone knows that Benga's investigation was affected, I think I'd like to hear about that.
I'd be very wary of using any of Rage's inventions.

[AladdinSane]

Benga apparently didn't receive his "gift" from Rage. It seems likely that some kind of bus driving or redirecting was going on. I would not be too surprised if his investigation had also been affected.

I think so. Tell me, if sumwun else receeved it and kept kwiet, wood you consider dat Town or anti-Town? And if sumwun else knew about dis firt sumwun and kept kwiet, wood dat be Town or anti-Town?

I would take it on a case by case basis before deciding whether I thought any actions were pro or anti town.

Well, in dis particlar case? Rag says he sent sumtink to Benga, Benga says he dident get it. Wood it be Town or anti-Town if sumwun got it and kept kwiet? The reeson I ask is dat I have my suspishuns but a) I don't want to spill teh beens if dis sumwun has a pro-Town reeson for keeping kwiet, and b) I don't want peepul to ackuse me of "raising gosts" or wotever teh term was in relashun to my spekulashuns about teh gun you got sent.

But if someone knows that Benga's investigation was affected, I think I'd like to hear about that.

If teh person I tink has teh gift is orso teh person who Benga's investimagashun redirecked to, den dat person is Town, provided Benga is Town and sane, rite/ (I tink he is, btw). And if dat person is Town, he mite have a good pro-Town reeson for keeping kwiet, but hinting about it?

I'd be very wary of using any of Rage's inventions.

I'd be wary of using any invenshuns in dis game .

[AladdinSane]

Oh, and I got a reply to wun of my kwestjuns about my roll. Yes, it oparates as a global effeckt, not like a roll-blok. Nuttink about teh timing - i.e. if investimagashuns dun on a nite when I get NKed still werk or not.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

If teh person I tink has teh gift is orso teh person who Benga's investimagashun redirecked to, den dat person is Town, provided Benga is Town and sane, rite/ (I tink he is, btw). And if dat person is Town, he mite have a good pro-Town reeson for keeping kwiet, but hinting about it?

Look up Roleblock, Busdriver and Redirector. Its not as simple as you make out. Revisit this line of reasoning when the mafia manipulator is lynched/killed. (Not to mention that Mtam could be the townie in question)

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Manipulative_roles

[AladdinSane]

If teh person I tink has teh gift is orso teh person who Benga's investimagashun redirecked to, den dat person is Town, provided Benga is Town and sane, rite/ (I tink he is, btw). And if dat person is Town, he mite have a good pro-Town reeson for keeping kwiet, but hinting about it?

Look up Roleblock, Busdriver and Redirector. Its not as simple as you make out. Revisit this line of reasoning when the mafia manipulator is lynched/killed. (Not to mention that Mtam could be the townie in question)

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Manipulative_roles

Okay, will do sum reeding and sleep on it. Mum's teh werd fer now. Something like this can be a littul confusing.

[Ragian]

I don't buy the Lincoln quote being a clue to town not to use it. It could just as easily be interpreted to mean that it was just a one shot weapon, so if you want to get the best use from it, you'd better use it to kill. In any case, there's no reason to think that town would interpret it correctly, while scum would not.

You're not buying it because you didn't understand it. Which is fine. It was supposed to be in that gray area so as to not give it all away on the first date. Also, I disagree with the last bit above. I find that scum would appreciate the extra kill much more D1. Therefore, they'd be more prone to shoot N1. You didn't. You're kinda proving my point, I feel.

Anyway, we disagree and you're going for me. I can't say anything to remedy that. You're just going to have to live with me for now. We need to lynch, though.

To me, Falko is the way to go. vote Falko

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2 am monday and deadline is Tuesday. We need to cut the BS and decide who the lynch is going to be.

So you say while fence sitting... Which suits me just fine.

Looks like IB lynch isn't going to happen, so might as well go back to my #2 choice.
Unvote vote Falko

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Unvote Vote Falko.

Deadline is coming and this lynch could happen. The facts speak for themselves, voted PTLowe immediately on cop claim and has not offered any scum targets beyond a sprinkling of my reads.

[Metsfanmax]

I don't think a Storr lynch would have worked today anyway, so sure, I'll

unvote
vote Falkomagno

[StorrZerg]

Unvote
Vote Falko

let the wagon'ing commence