San Francisco Mafia- Aage, Safari and Kernov Win!!!

[LSU Tiger Josh]

If he was actually bulletproof and had "been shot" the mod would've told him. I still think he's scummy although you might have something with those late votes trying to go for an easy wagon.

[aage]

If he was actually bulletproof and had "been shot" the mod would've told him.

Why would you think that? It's not usual. If a doc protects someone and the guy also gets targeted by the mafia, he doesn't get to know the mafia tried to kill him, does he?

[FiestyLion]

Okie dokey ya'll, this is nonsense.

Where did Flow say he was bulletproof? I read all his post and I don't see that anywhere? Where ya'll be gettin that from?
Also, ain't only Godfather's bulletproof. So ya'll saying Flow is the godfather. Yet because he's the GodFather, ya'll don't wanna to vote him. What kinda sense is that????

And FOS all those who be sayin the case against Flow is weak.
FOS Aage
FOS Edocsil

Ya'll both trying to disprove some obviously suspicious behavior from Flow.
Which means, if Flow the mob, you both the mob too.
If Flow ain't the mob, ya'll both are still the mob.

Flow Stated
He knows who the mafia intended target was
How do you know that?? Ya'll just can't be letting somethin like that slide. That's how the mob gets away. You just don't say somethin like that in a mafia game. It's somethin the mob would say.
You betta start spillin soon....

I see nothing suspicious about Jeraado. He one of the few makin sense in here!

I think Daze makes an outstanding case that Flow, Aage, and Edocsil seem a little too chummy right now. They are desperately trying to divert attention from Flow and throw it onto other people. They're sticking toghether like a family...if you know what I mean.

Could we have identified all the mafia members so early? hhmmm.. Lets see if any of them will vote for eachother.

Also, what does FoS mean?

[FiestyLion]

I think Violet should have posted what exactly the night zero actions were (without telling us the specific details, of course). I am confused as to which characters had a night zero action and what types of actions those were.

The people making the most posts seem to be privy to this information...which is suspicious.

[Fircoal]

I think Violet should have posted what exactly the night zero actions were (without telling us the specific details, of course). I am confused as to which characters had a night zero action and what types of actions those were.

Nozel, that would ruin the game.

[VioIet]

ALL roles and night actions will be revealed at the end of the game.

[FiestyLion]

I think Violet should have posted what exactly the night zero actions were (without telling us the specific details, of course). I am confused as to which characters had a night zero action and what types of actions those were.

Nozel, that would ruin the game.

WTF is Nozel??
I think you and violet are misunderstanding what I said. Im not asking for her to reveal anything we arent supposed to know. I am asking to know which characters have a night zero action, and what types of actions these characters can take.

[VioIet]

Judah, the following links should answer your questions. They give information about the dynamics of the game, and typical roles and abilities.

viewtopic.php?f=213&t=68065&start=0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_%28game%29

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roles

http://mikeburnfire.sitesled.com/mscumB.swf

[Flow520]

Okie dokey ya'll, this is nonsense.

Where did Flow say he was bulletproof? I read all his post and I don't see that anywhere? Where ya'll be gettin that from?
Also, ain't only Godfather's bulletproof. So ya'll saying Flow is the godfather. Yet because he's the GodFather, ya'll don't wanna to vote him. What kinda sense is that????

And FOS all those who be sayin the case against Flow is weak.
FOS Aage
FOS Edocsil

Ya'll both trying to disprove some obviously suspicious behavior from Flow.
Which means, if Flow the mob, you both the mob too.
If Flow ain't the mob, ya'll both are still the mob.

Flow Stated
He knows who the mafia intended target was
How do you know that?? Ya'll just can't be letting somethin like that slide. That's how the mob gets away. You just don't say somethin like that in a mafia game. It's somethin the mob would say.
You betta start spillin soon....

I see nothing suspicious about Jeraado. He one of the few makin sense in here!

I think Daze makes an outstanding case that Flow, Aage, and Edocsil seem a little too chummy right now. They are desperately trying to divert attention from Flow and throw it onto other people. They're sticking toghether like a family...if you know what I mean.

Could we have identified all the mafia members so early? hhmmm.. Lets see if any of them will vote for eachother.

Also, what does FoS mean?

Sorry, Daze's argument is based on a paraphrase/misquotation. It is invalid. Here are the actual quotes:

Interesting that no one died the first night. Let me be clear, I'm very happy about it, it's that with a group of prisoners on the loose and a mafia to boot I'm just really surprised.

Truth of the matter is that I thought since no one died night 1 that I had a pretty good idea of who the mafia's intended target was.
Considering my role is much less useful to town if I get outed (especially this early on), let's leave it at that shall we.

This does not sate that I know who the mafia intended target was. It states that, based on my assumption that a group of prisoners and mafia were on the loose N0, that if they had failed in their N0 NK, then and only then would I have a good idea of who the intended target may have been.
Regarding why Aage and Edocsil are not shouting for my lynch, I have a couple of theories.
Theory 1 (Most likly): Aage and Edocsil can read and comprehend a logical argument and understand that I'm not the best person to go after for lynch day 1.
Theory 2: Aage and/or Edocsil used their N0 action to learn information about me and know that I am town aligned. (If this is the case, please dont admit it as you'll just make yourself a nice target for scum tonight.)

[edocsil]

I think Violet should have posted what exactly the night zero actions were (without telling us the specific details, of course). I am confused as to which characters had a night zero action and what types of actions those were.

Nozel, that would ruin the game.

WTF is Nozel??
I think you and violet are misunderstanding what I said. Im not asking for her to reveal anything we arent supposed to know. I am asking to know which characters have a night zero action, and what types of actions these characters can take.

Basically you are asking the mod to give the entire game away, which is why we are all and the like. Only certain kinds of characters have N0 actions, most notable ALL the investigative roles, NONE of the killing roles and few of the other common roles in the game. You are basically asking the mod to expose all our cops.

BTW, FoS is Finger of Suspicion, means you are suspicious of a player, but they do not merit a vote.
Nozel is Fircoal saying no emphatically, no one else does it but he adds zel to the ends of his words sometimes. I assume it is an old story, he has been here longer then almost anyone else.

And on your points linking me with Flow, well daze and you both haven't been around long, your barking up the wrong tree. I am not going to explain why people sometimes agree with each other in mafia....

[FiestyLion]

Edocsil....Good God...I am obviously not asking for any information that ruins the game. I was simply asking for the information that you just gave me, which I am greatful for. So, according to what you said, only the cops have a night zero action. This is all I was wanting to know. I wasnt asking for her to reveal who the cops are, or what they found out. Im sorry if I somehow didnt communicate that very well but apparently no one was understanding what I was asking for.

[kernov]

Other roles also can have a night zero action judahslion.

[aage]

Edocsil....Good God...I am obviously not asking for any information that ruins the game. I was simply asking for the information that you just gave me, which I am greatful for. So, according to what you said, only the cops have a night zero action. This is all I was wanting to know. I wasnt asking for her to reveal who the cops are, or what they found out. Im sorry if I somehow didnt communicate that very well but apparently no one was understanding what I was asking for.

Are you ignoring my posts?

Lovers!


There is probably a cupid out there somewhere who linked two people during N0. I believe this to be the main N0 action, but naturally the cops might have had a N0 action as well.

I think Violet should have posted what exactly the night zero actions were (without telling us the specific details, of course). I am confused as to which characters had a night zero action and what types of actions those were.

The people making the most posts seem to be privy to this information...which is suspicious.

I think the people who aren't even having a guess at what happened N0 are ignorant and therefore scummy.

I take it you have no N0 action (which clears you of being Cupid or a cop, which is nothing to be proud of), but there might be people who have. Flow might or might not be one of them. Wisely he decides not to confirm anything about his role, so I'll rest that topic, but I don't think that if he were mafia he would've complained right there in the thread.

[jeraado]

Ok, given the options for night 0 actions which might have protective roles, and re-reading flow's quotes, I'll unvote flow

I'm going to have to do some more reading on other roles...

[edocsil]

Lovers!

Right, forgot about cupid roles, never have played with one. Like I said before there are others, just nothing that kills. What I am trying to say is that those who are confused about N0 have a higher chance of having a killing role. Obviously not enough to vote for, but good info to remember for later.

[Fircoal]

Lovers!

Right, forgot about cupid roles, never have played with one. Like I said before there are others, just nothing that kills. What I am trying to say is that those who are confused about N0 have a higher chance of having a killing role. Obviously not enough to vote for, but good info to remember for later.

How? Wouldn't it be the opposite? That those with a killing role would have been told by the mod that they didn't have an action. Cause I think that's how it is. You say that you know that no killing roles have an action on Night 0. How do you know that? It's quite possible that you could have sent in your kill and had it come back with a "sorry, no kills on Night 0." Considering the last game to start at Night 0 here was back when I started, and considering that then people did die (and I was at least once that lucky resipiant of a Night 0 kill.), I can reasonably assume that someone was supposed to die. I don't know how anyone could know what happens Night 0 unless they were told. Thusly I would say those like me who don't know and thought that there would be a kill when there wasn't, are likely to be non-killing, and others who proclaim definitly there no kills would happen, are a killing role. FOS: Edoc

[aage]

Fircoal, you of all should know. Dethy mafia also has a N0 and the mafia doesn't get a kill.

Also, let's look at this:

14 people have confirmed so far. Most in this thread; a few by pm. However even if you confirmed your role by pm, remember to post in here as well. With that said....

Night 0 Began!!!

If you have a night 0 action, submit it in to me. As soon as all actions are in or 24 hours have passed- whichever comes first- Day 1 will begin.

IF you have a night 0 action, it specifically says. idk but I think the mafia didn't have a pm that said "you have a n1 action. you have a n2 action. you have a n3 action." It probably said something like "you can kill at night". It might have mentioned N0; only the mafia would know.
And knowing the game, I don't think they'll tell us

[aage]

Also, let's not forget this:

14. Similarly, each game ‘night’ will not last more than TWO 24 hour days.

Apparently normal nights last 2 days, N0 lasts 1 day (rl days that is). This gives reason to believe there's been less actions during N0 than there are during normal nights. And since there probably was a cupid that had an action during N0, there must be some characters that don't have an action during N0 but do have actions during other nights.

[Fircoal]

Fircoal, you of all should know. Dethy mafia also has a N0 and the mafia doesn't get a kill.

Also, let's look at this:

14 people have confirmed so far. Most in this thread; a few by pm. However even if you confirmed your role by pm, remember to post in here as well. With that said....

Night 0 Began!!!

If you have a night 0 action, submit it in to me. As soon as all actions are in or 24 hours have passed- whichever comes first- Day 1 will begin.

IF you have a night 0 action, it specifically says. idk but I think the mafia didn't have a pm that said "you have a n1 action. you have a n2 action. you have a n3 action." It probably said something like "you can kill at night". It might have mentioned N0; only the mafia would know.
And knowing the game, I don't think they'll tell us

How are we supposed to know if we have a n0 action or not? I mean it's not unreasonable for the pm to say you don't have a n0 action, or for them to submit an action for it to get turned down in the end. Since the if is there though, I have a feeling she told the people who didn't have one that they didn't have one.

Also you have to remember dethy is a mafia VARIANT setup. It's supposed to run with 5 players. It's also broken.

[aage]

How are we supposed to know if we have a n0 action or not? I mean it's not unreasonable for the pm to say you don't have a n0 action, or for them to submit an action for it to get turned down in the end. Since the if is there though, I have a feeling she told the people who didn't have one that they didn't have one.

I'm guessing that she told the people who have a N0 action something like "you have a N0 acion, use it!!1!11!1". Also, on how you were supposed to know... i have no idea, honestly, but if you had some kind of night action you might as well have taken the gamble and send in something

Also you have to remember dethy is a mafia VARIANT setup. It's supposed to run with 5 players. It's also broken.

Which doesn't matter. The cops get told they can investigate during N0.

[edocsil]

How are we supposed to know if we have a n0 action or not? I mean it's not unreasonable for the pm to say you don't have a n0 action, or for them to submit an action for it to get turned down in the end. Since the if is there though, I have a feeling she told the people who didn't have one that they didn't have one.

I'm guessing that she told the people who have a N0 action something like "you have a N0 acion, use it!!1!11!1". Also, on how you were supposed to know... i have no idea, honestly, but if you had some kind of night action you might as well have taken the gamble and send in something

Also you have to remember dethy is a mafia VARIANT setup. It's supposed to run with 5 players. It's also broken.

Which doesn't matter. The cops get told they can investigate during N0.

This. Fircoal, you know full well that people with N0 actions are told they have one and those without have regular role PMs.

[lildanbassman]

4+ days of fruitless bickering and not a single bloody lynching. JudahsLion is right in that day 1 is usually just a crapshoot anyway so I say....

GET ON WITH IT!



unvote Drabod vote Jeraado

[Fircoal]

How are we supposed to know if we have a n0 action or not? I mean it's not unreasonable for the pm to say you don't have a n0 action, or for them to submit an action for it to get turned down in the end. Since the if is there though, I have a feeling she told the people who didn't have one that they didn't have one.

I'm guessing that she told the people who have a N0 action something like "you have a N0 acion, use it!!1!11!1". Also, on how you were supposed to know... i have no idea, honestly, but if you had some kind of night action you might as well have taken the gamble and send in something

Also you have to remember dethy is a mafia VARIANT setup. It's supposed to run with 5 players. It's also broken.

Which doesn't matter. The cops get told they can investigate during N0.

This. Fircoal, you know full well that people with N0 actions are told they have one and those without have regular role PMs.

I'm sorry, but how would you know if I were to know that? You can't conclude that I'd know that unless you were to know my role. Which you shouldn't.

[Fircoal]

How are we supposed to know if we have a n0 action or not? I mean it's not unreasonable for the pm to say you don't have a n0 action, or for them to submit an action for it to get turned down in the end. Since the if is there though, I have a feeling she told the people who didn't have one that they didn't have one.

I'm guessing that she told the people who have a N0 action something like "you have a N0 acion, use it!!1!11!1". Also, on how you were supposed to know... i have no idea, honestly, but if you had some kind of night action you might as well have taken the gamble and send in something

Also you have to remember dethy is a mafia VARIANT setup. It's supposed to run with 5 players. It's also broken.

Which doesn't matter. The cops get told they can investigate during N0.

yes you would have taken a gamble on sending in the action and then seeing it doesn't happen. Regardless, unless you are mafia you don't know what the mafia got in their role pm and what they could do.

[VioIet]

Vote Count

Flow (6)- Commander, LSU, Dazey, Judah, Kernov, Karel,
Fircoal (1)- edocsil
aage (1) - Victor
Drabod (1)- lildan
Judah (1)- Tails
Victor (2)- Fircoal, Drabod,
Tails (1)- Gabe
Jeraado (2)- aage, victor

With 18 alive it takes 9 to lynch