Prison Mafia TOWN WIN !!

[Razorvich]

DAY 1 VOTE COUNT #2

*Pixar* - Dunk90 halrob64
TrafalgarLaw01 - Dunk90
Loose Canon - Dunk90
Darin44 - no lynch halrob64
Dunk90 - no lynch
Ragian - halrob64
fusibaseball - halrob64
DukeHazzard - halrob64
degaston - halrob64 halrob64
TheJMac - halrob64

2 - Dunk90
7 - halrob64
1 - no lynch

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I got a Question Raz
For day 1 for one player to be lynched does it needs to have at least 13 votes for that player, or it needs to be at least 13 votes overall in the day and the player with most votes gets lynched? Not sure how it works

[Razorvich]

I got a Question Raz
For day 1 for one player to be lynched does it needs to have at least 13 votes for that player, or it needs to be at least 13 votes overall in the day and the player with most votes gets lynched? Not sure how it works

A player will need 13 votes

[i-andrei]

is hairob clutching at straws by saying i-andrei is an informer or is he telling truth ,,what role does hairob have to have that information on i-andrei

I don't know, and halrob doesn't seem to want to say. If the vote count gets to 12 on him ("L-1" i.e. 1 vote away from being lynched), it would be normal for him to make a full claim of his role and alignment. By my count, it's 7 votes for him right now. (L-6)

Idk. Based on my mafia experience civilians get voted out first, especially 1st day when info is scarce.
Halrob didn't have to say anything but he did. So i'm guessing he either was tricked into believing that, or he wants to point the finger on me cause he's Maf alligned.

Either way, unsure if we should vote him out. Waiting for him to post what he knows and how he found that out.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I got a Question Raz
For day 1 for one player to be lynched does it needs to have at least 13 votes for that player, or it needs to be at least 13 votes overall in the day and the player with most votes gets lynched? Not sure how it works

A player will need 13 votes

Thanks.

Then, halrob u have to explain how u got the info in day 1, and try to give sense to all the things u posted, I still suspect dunk, but may change vote depending what u say

[halrob64]

Like I said,
I had a message in my box that was already deleted and then I had a message regarding a Mafia informer, which then disappeared and showed as deleted. I'm a fishernan not a computer expert so how that is done, how you follow residual threads I have no idea. I am sure I was not meant to have the received the post, it was giving details on how to informe on other mafia members so if I was one I would be extremely worried at the moment.
It also mentioned how to attack other members at night and how to kill them off.
As I said I only read it briefly and I was going to return to it.
That Dungestan guy or whatever he is called has been very aggressive in all this, look at my first post, it was a warning and I was trying not to say too much as I don't know who friends and enemies are.
Now I have been forced to reveal as much as I know and look where I am now.
I figure Dungestan is Mafia, its pretty obvious as he/she was pushing hard for me to reveal a name.
So by all means lynch me, there is no escape anyway, but whatever else I know, and there was more in that post you guys are going to be watching your backs when the shit starts to unfold.
Also watch out for Dungestan the rumour is he is a goat shagger so don't stand in front of him in the swamp when your having a wash

[halrob64]

I also say no lynching day 1 lets see how this unfolds

[Ragian]

That smells of OMGUS. My vote is not going anywhere right now.

The thing is, you have named i-andrei, and he says that it's not him. One of you is lying. What we do in that case is that we lynch either of you and go on from there depending on how the lynched person flips. The fact that you have also just called experienced mafia player Degaston scum for asking you relevant questions about something you volunteered condems you more than i-andrei, so you're the obvious target for a lynch.

Of course, we could also play is safe an no lynch in order for power roles to try to work this out overnight. I'm not convinced, however, that that is the best way forward. I trust my instinct when it comes to mafia (and yes, I've been wrong in the past), but my instinct tells me that you're squirming like an inexperienced scumster (shoutout to TNC mafia player Pretender77).

[i-andrei]

No info on why you'd call me an informer.

Vote halrob64

[PepeAtila]

I'm not going to unvote Dunk and vote Halrob. I think its possible the Mafia got together decided to first of all suggest no lynching day1 then when that conversation had run its course put up another name - Halrob.
I reckon Dunk may be a made man - I think thats the term you use isn't it Dunk?
Thats my logic for not unvoting and switching to Halrob.

Agree.

[i-andrei]

The same voice is heard once again bellowing from the cells

His message:

"The prison walls are talking but you all are just not on the same frequency.
The warden sees and knows all that happens within his walls. His reach runs deep.
Those in the dark are fearing the light.
Loose lips abound and there will be a reckoning."

YOU, the first 23 inmates are now in you new home for the duration of your sentance

Ok so based on this 2, the 24th role might be a Warden, which should be Town alligned and I'm guessing it has access to all messages sent/ received by the other 23.
I don't think halrob is that cause it would be stupid of him to disclose that. Also guessing that role would want to remain incognito for a while.

[i-andrei]

Oh, Jmac made the note previously. Just read that again. No idea if it may have extra powers or not.

[degaston]

That Dungestan guy or whatever he is called has been very aggressive in all this, look at my first post, it was a warning and I was trying not to say too much as I don't know who friends and enemies are.

It's nothing personal, halrob. As I wrote in the sign-up thread:

Finally, try not to take comments or accusations personally. Pressuring people is part of trying to find the scum. It's a game, so have fun.

And then at the start of D1:

The first day is generally chaos. There is little or no concrete evidence to go by, so people tend to pick apart every statement to look for a reason to vote for one person over another.

There is a rule of thumb in the game: "Lynch all liars", but you can't catch someone in a lie if they don't say anything, which is why I pressure people to talk. I've actually been trying to tone it down a bit in this game, but I thought my questions were reasonable - mostly trying to nail down the order of events for things you had already mentioned, and your responses were evasive and incomplete. The part about a message you read being deleted sounds almost impossible.

[traffic133]

is hairob clutching at straws by saying i-andrei is an informer or is he telling truth ,,what role does hairob have to have that information on i-andrei

I don't know, and halrob doesn't seem to want to say. If the vote count gets to 12 on him ("L-1" i.e. 1 vote away from being lynched), it would be normal for him to make a full claim of his role and alignment. By my count, it's 7 votes for him right now. (L-6)

Idk. Based on my mafia experience civilians get voted out first, especially 1st day when info is scarce.
Halrob didn't have to say anything but he did. So i'm guessing he either was tricked into believing that, or he wants to point the finger on me cause he's Maf alligned.

Either way, unsure if we should vote him out. Waiting for him to post what he knows and how he found that out.

yeah im unsure too but i will vote him if he dont come clean on how he says that i-adrei is an informer

[Maxleod]

Like I said,
I had a message in my box that was already deleted and then I had a message regarding a Mafia informer, which then disappeared and showed as deleted.

For all I know, Razorvich can't do that. Only a goat *could* do that, but I don't think they'd ever do that (imagine the backlash? bad publicity), and they would NEVER trust Raz with that kind of power. You're lying, Hal.

[halrob64]

Well make up your own mind Dungestan is full of shit, nothing is impossible and who is making the most of trying to silence me??

[Razorvich]

Day 1 will end no later than CC Time: 2023-04-18 02:59:59 unless we are very close to a lynch

This is considered the "Limited Period" in this game

[degaston]

Well make up your own mind Dungestan is full of shit, nothing is impossible and who is making the most of trying to silence me??

If you're town, you should be trying to convince people of that. The best way to do that is to respond to questions. Here are a few:

There is an informant who has access to the warden be very careful what you say. I have strong intelligence on who it is

1. This was the only time you mentioned a warden. Was that part of the message, or did you just add that on your own?
   
   

   where you getting your info from Dunk, the informer?

2. Was there a connection between this and the message, or was there some other reason you named Dunk?
   
   

   This is the point I'm making, this was a message that was removed before I saw it, another appeared which was clearly not meant for me as it named a Mafia informant and when I went back the message all trace if it was gone.

3. Did the message say that the informant was Mafia, or did you add that?
   
   
4. When, exactly, did you get the emails that there were messages in your inbox?

[traffic133]

i vote no vote

[i-andrei]

There is an informant who has access to the warden be very careful what you say. I have strong intelligence on who it is

1. This was the only time you mentioned a warden. Was that part of the message, or did you just add that on your own?

Just noticed this. It seems halrob mentioned the warden before Razor sent the last message mentioning him also.
So he might know something. But for sure I am not an informant lol.
And if we search the thread, joshzam mentioned the warden first on the 11th of April. https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/search.php?keywords=warden&t=239406&sf=msgonly

I'm gonna unvote for now, just to see what the night brings.

Unvote

[joshzam]

For the record, while I was the first to theorize that a "warden"-type role might be in play, I'm super proud that Razor has since used this term in his cryptic messages. Point for me! It wasn't a huge leap of logic, honestly. We're in a prison and one person apparently stands apart from the rest. I couldn't think what else it could be. But then halrob confirmed it before Razor made it official.

The Warden role is a rare one that doesn't appear in Mafia often, but it totally exists. Two different flavors can be found here:
https://creatures-of-sonaria-official.f ... 0000464349
https://wikimafia.fandom.com/wiki/Warden

I'm thinking we might have something akin to the first one. The second one sounds a bit too generic, whereas this game has already set the role up to be something special.

I'd also like halrob to answer degaston's questions as specifically as possible. And I'd remind everyone (especially those unfamiliar with Mafia) that voting to pressure is effective but hammering before info is shared is scummy as hell. Just don't let it get too close to a lynch unless you really mean to kill.

[Ragian]

Well, we're getting close to deadline (was it tomorrow?), so some pressure probably needs to be applied if we want answers.

[joshzam]

Similarly, if halrob would like to help Town, he'll divulge the details before night even without a lynch.

[degaston]

Well, we're getting close to deadline (was it tomorrow?), so some pressure probably needs to be applied if we want answers.

Day 1 will end no later than CC Time: 2023-04-18 02:59:59 unless we are very close to a lynch

That's Eastern Time, I guess?

It's kind of hard to pressure someone if people aren't commenting or voting. Maybe Cofari will be mod-killed? It's disappointing that Duk has time to post in other threads, but not here.

I don't believe that halrod made all of this up on his own, but his story doesn't make sense, and I feel like there's something he's not sharing.

[joshzam]

I don't believe that halrod made all of this up on his own, but his story doesn't make sense, and I feel like there's something he's not sharing.

Absolutely agreed. If Razor made an honest mistake, I'm convinced he would have corrected the record and not let a Townie possibly get lynched because of a mistake. There are more details that have not been shared.