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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby betiko on Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:43 am

thehippo8 wrote:Okay Betico ... you control 5 votes ... I'm happy to pressure soundman ... but I want to see every one of your chaps on him too and then we can have one other person on him to put him at L2 ... if you are willing to do that then it's a deal ... if not then your group have too much power ... what do you say?


i don't control 5 votes or speak for all meros, also i don't know if they all think the same or if any of our group hasn't been compromised; also leehar is totally absent since quite some time. Anyway, the idea first is to make soundman claim, i think everyone pretty much agrees with that as anyway there shouldn't be any other town power roleft out there (or not?). I don't think soundman needs to be at l-2 to claim, all other people had enough pressure and had to claim before reaching this point. I don't really get where you're going there, because with town+meros we will obviously have enough votes to lynch the target we decide to lynch. Mafia is pretty much cornered and they can arrange a speedlynch at l-4 with the help of smith if we chose the wrong target. i think we need to unvote as much as possible right now to avoid this kind of situation before town+meros agree on something.

saf, can you prod leehar and soundman?

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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:45 am

claimed/assumed:
betiko - 3rd party, survivor(merovingian or Twin #2)
jonty125 - 3rd party, survivor (merovingian or Twin #2)
leehar - 3rd party, twin#1. survivor
pmchugh - 3rd party, Persephone, survivor
Edocsil - trainman, 3rd party busdriver, survivor

thehippo8 - Zee, Vanilla Townie
vodean - Mouse, Vanilla Townie
everywhere116 - sati, town priest
Djfireside - Spoon Boy - Commuter, town
jak111 -trinity, town mason and lover with doom, town tracker
DoomYoshi -neo, town mason and lover with jak, bulletproof?
ghostly447/Neb 2.0 -Oracle, town mason with SG7, COP
MoB Deadly - Niobe, Town Doc
thechuck51 - Ghost, vengeful townie

Iron Butterfly - keymaker VT
aage - Keymaker; roleblocker, town.


unknown:

soundman


Does that look about right, then? I'm not sure about Spoon Boy. I think Iron and aage are both lying. And Soundman is obviously scum/Smith.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby betiko on Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:00 am

i am pretty sure that dj, chuck, aage and IB are all lying. Mob is the only one i believe.
I want to hear from soundman cause maybe he has a more decent claim...

right now i still think that aage is smith, i don't know what feeling you guys have on who it could possibly be..
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby MoB Deadly on Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:04 am

Neb - Could you bold the ones we are more/less sure about?

and wait neb, did you verify your claim, are you the Oracle who is a cop?

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yeah I dont believe aage. If you have a night power you should be using it. Even if you block a power role for a night at least you are verified to be what you say you are. Doom was blocked last night so I am more leaning toward that he is not smith but a mafia roleblocker, which is pretty important as well
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby MoB Deadly on Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:04 am

Neb - Were you given results of past investigations?
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby jak111 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:30 am

Nebuchadnezer wrote:claimed/assumed:
betiko - 3rd party, survivor(merovingian or Twin #2)
jonty125 - 3rd party, survivor (merovingian or Twin #2)
leehar - 3rd party, twin#1. survivor
pmchugh - 3rd party, Persephone, survivor
Edocsil - trainman, 3rd party busdriver, survivor

thehippo8 - Zee, Vanilla Townie
vodean - Mouse, Vanilla Townie
everywhere116 - sati, town priest
Djfireside - Spoon Boy - Commuter, town
jak111 -trinity, town mason and lover with doom, town tracker
DoomYoshi -neo, town mason and lover with jak, bulletproof?
ghostly447/Neb 2.0 -Oracle, town mason with SG7, COP
MoB Deadly - Niobe, Town Doc
thechuck51 - Ghost, vengeful townie

Iron Butterfly - keymaker VT
aage - Keymaker; roleblocker, town.


unknown:

soundman


Does that look about right, then? I'm not sure about Spoon Boy. I think Iron and aage are both lying. And Soundman is obviously scum/Smith.


Neb, we need a claim from you. Ghostly was completely inactive so we need to know what he was.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby jak111 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:33 am

Wait, scratch that, he put his claim in the list... Any night results?
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby betiko on Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:42 am

now that i think about it, maybe aage is the mafia roleblocker and not smith? he could prove easily like that that he can roleblock... also someone said at some point that the roleblocker is either a mafia or a super noob, aage is just bouncing on that branch..
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby aage on Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:27 am

betiko wrote:now that i think about it, maybe aage is the mafia roleblocker and not smith? he could prove easily like that that he can roleblock... also someone said at some point that the roleblocker is either a mafia or a super noob, aage is just bouncing on that branch..

Hey! The super noob-part was only said because Jak was blocked, I have nothing to do with that. My predecessor does, so pin it on me if you want, but don't ask me for motives.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby pmchugh on Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:33 am

Reading back over the claims I actually think IB is unlikely to be mafia, perhaps cult though. Aage seems less genuine, his claim is lazy and is perhaps a last minute attempt to take down cult/townie since I was heaping so much pressure on IB anyway. I think it is notable that he did not counter claim until he was being voted quite heavily.

unvote for now.

Also IB I could respond as to what was scummy about your play, but I don't think now is the time for it.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby aage on Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:39 am

pmchugh wrote:Reading back over the claims I actually think IB is unlikely to be mafia, perhaps cult though. Aage seems less genuine, his claim is lazy and is perhaps a last minute attempt to take down cult/townie since I was heaping so much pressure on IB anyway. I think it is notable that he did not counter claim until he was being voted quite heavily.

I didn't counterclaim earlier because I hadn't posted earlier. :roll:
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby pmchugh on Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:59 am

aage wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Reading back over the claims I actually think IB is unlikely to be mafia, perhaps cult though. Aage seems less genuine, his claim is lazy and is perhaps a last minute attempt to take down cult/townie since I was heaping so much pressure on IB anyway. I think it is notable that he did not counter claim until he was being voted quite heavily.

I didn't counterclaim earlier because I hadn't posted earlier. :roll:


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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby betiko on Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:01 am

aage wrote:
betiko wrote:now that i think about it, maybe aage is the mafia roleblocker and not smith? he could prove easily like that that he can roleblock... also someone said at some point that the roleblocker is either a mafia or a super noob, aage is just bouncing on that branch..

Hey! The super noob-part was only said because Jak was blocked, I have nothing to do with that. My predecessor does, so pin it on me if you want, but don't ask me for motives.


that's what i'm saying. you can easily explain the jak roleblock claiming that role blaming lsu tiger (or the player before...)
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby aage on Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:05 am

betiko wrote:
aage wrote:
betiko wrote:now that i think about it, maybe aage is the mafia roleblocker and not smith? he could prove easily like that that he can roleblock... also someone said at some point that the roleblocker is either a mafia or a super noob, aage is just bouncing on that branch..

Hey! The super noob-part was only said because Jak was blocked, I have nothing to do with that. My predecessor does, so pin it on me if you want, but don't ask me for motives.


that's what i'm saying. you can easily explain the jak roleblock claiming that role blaming lsu tiger (or the player before...)

Hmm, that is true. In that essence you can again pin that on me and I can't provide any form of defence against it. Okay.

I would suggest lynching IB for falseclaiming, but if you want to lynch me and let the cult win, apparently I can't do anything about it.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby pmchugh on Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:07 am

betiko wrote:
aage wrote:
betiko wrote:now that i think about it, maybe aage is the mafia roleblocker and not smith? he could prove easily like that that he can roleblock... also someone said at some point that the roleblocker is either a mafia or a super noob, aage is just bouncing on that branch..

Hey! The super noob-part was only said because Jak was blocked, I have nothing to do with that. My predecessor does, so pin it on me if you want, but don't ask me for motives.


that's what i'm saying. you can easily explain the jak roleblock claiming that role blaming lsu tiger (or the player before...)


LSU is not a noob, he has probably played in more games than anyone else here. If the option is between LSU being a noob or being scum then I would definitely pick the latter.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby jonty125 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:18 am

aage has CC'd IB. But IB makes out that he's a minor character. My vote stays.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby aage on Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:49 am

pmchugh wrote:
betiko wrote:
aage wrote:
betiko wrote:now that i think about it, maybe aage is the mafia roleblocker and not smith? he could prove easily like that that he can roleblock... also someone said at some point that the roleblocker is either a mafia or a super noob, aage is just bouncing on that branch..

Hey! The super noob-part was only said because Jak was blocked, I have nothing to do with that. My predecessor does, so pin it on me if you want, but don't ask me for motives.


that's what i'm saying. you can easily explain the jak roleblock claiming that role blaming lsu tiger (or the player before...)


LSU is not a noob, he has probably played in more games than anyone else here. If the option is between LSU being a noob or being scum then I would definitely pick the latter.

In that case you might rather doubt your own judgement of LSU's actions.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby Iron Butterfly on Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:44 am

pmchugh wrote:Reading back over the claims I actually think IB is unlikely to be mafia, perhaps cult though. Aage seems less genuine, his claim is lazy and is perhaps a last minute attempt to take down cult/townie since I was heaping so much pressure on IB anyway. I think it is notable that he did not counter claim until he was being voted quite heavily.

unvote for now.

Also IB I could respond as to what was scummy about your play, but I don't think now is the time for it.


He was prime suspect for being lynched and it was very strongly headed that way. Myself and other Town were forced to claim. It was then that I was counter claimed.

What is odd about Aaage and his claim is that he is less surprised and almost nonchalant about my claim of keymaker. But he is all over the fact that I claimed VT, that that is somehow more important the the fact I claimed his role.

Lets look at my history.

I am being not because of scummy play but because of:

1) My claim of VT, which has been a point of debate since the start of the game. Only certain people can be VT or someones role does not fit the flavor. I have recognized that since the start of the game.

2) The second reason I am being lynched is because of a numbers crunch. Someone puts a chart up with who has claimed and who has not. I don't understand how everyone who has claimed is clear especially with the acknowledgement that the Merv faction has no idea whatsoever if any of them have been recruited.

Understand this. With the counterclaim on me I can understand the suspicion. Normally I would take one for the team and just take the lynch. This game is different in that at this point of the game every body counts to counter Cult.

With Aaage not only was his counter claim weird in that he jumped on me claiming VT rather then me claiming his role, he also states he has not blocked anyone since he took over. As Town you will never know who you are blocking until they are dead so it is your job to block who you consider scum. As Mafia you know who is who so you block your ass off. the only reason I would think he did not block is because he can not and if he says he did and gives a list there is a very strong possibility he can be found out.

In conclusion.

I am relieved that some folks are at least looking at other possibilities and questioning Aage. If you guys cover all the bases and look at what is plausible and still lynch me...well fine. I'm just pissed at the moment that I am almost lynched because of my claim and charts based on who has claimed and who has not.

There are Cult out there who care only about lynching non cult and will do what they can to insure that. take your time to make a correct and rational decision.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:30 pm

Updated list. Please let me know where I'm off.

claimed/assumed:
betiko - 3rd party, survivor(merovingian or Twin #2)
jonty125 - 3rd party, survivor (merovingian or Twin #2) - admitted 3rd party survivor, educated guess on character.
leehar - 3rd party, twin#1. survivor - admitted 3rd party survivor, educated guess on character.
pmchugh - 3rd party, Persephone, survivor - admitted 3rd party survivor, educated guess on character.
Edocsil - trainman, 3rd party busdriver, survivor - Claimed and back up with actions.

thehippo8 - Zee, Vanilla Townie - claimed, proven innocent as Doom hid behind him.
vodean - Mouse, Vanilla Townie - Claimed and watched by jak(?) No action. Could still be mafia goon.
everywhere116 - sati, town priest - Claimed, and proven to be priest role.
Djfireside - Spoon Boy - Commuter, town - Claimed, not proven.
jak111 -trinity, town mason and lover with doom, town tracker - Claimed and proven.
DoomYoshi -neo, town mason and lover with jak, bulletproof? - Claimed and proven.

ghostly447/Neb 2.0 -Oracle, town mason with SG7, COP - Claimed and proven(?)
MoB Deadly - Niobe, Town Doc - Claimed. Night actions match up with scenes...nothing proven.
thechuck51 - Ghost, vengeful townie
- Claimed.
Iron Butterfly - keymaker VT - claimed.
aage - Keymaker; roleblocker, town.
- claimed.

unknown:

soundman - ducking out on claiming in hopes he can slide by another day.


Does that look about right, then?

So, from this list, here is who we have to choose from:

Vodean
DJfireside
MoB Deadly
thechuck51
Iron butterfly
aage
soundman

All my night actions are reflected in the above information. Remember, ANYONE can be recruited, so we essentially have nobody cleared at this point.

Merovingian party. I expect you will be on town tonight with your protections, right? You can't win this without us. You can't make kills. Protect us. Or Smith/mafia will eat you up.

Mafia. You have a full picture of who is who. Kill Smith tonight, or you will most certainly lose. Town and 3rd party can wait for another night.

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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby MoB Deadly on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:29 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:With Aaage not only was his counter claim weird in that he jumped on me claiming VT rather then me claiming his role, he also states he has not blocked anyone since he took over. As Town you will never know who you are blocking until they are dead so it is your job to block who you consider scum. As Mafia you know who is who so you block your ass off. the only reason I would think he did not block is because he can not and if he says he did and gives a list there is a very strong possibility he can be found out.


Well said.

I am bout 85-95% sure aage is mafia roleblocker. My decision is....... do we let him live and take a skilled shot at who we believe the Leader of Agent Smith is. Or do we get rid of him who is a definite threat
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:39 pm

I am pretty sure that mafia knows who smith is now. They have to kill him...unless we actually lynch him. they won't come out and say who he is or they've just blown their cover. So...how do we get to the right answer?
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby MoB Deadly on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:41 pm

but if we lynch their roleblocker, there is a good possibility they will retaliate and kill one of our power roles.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby jak111 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:34 pm

Meh, let's just kill Aage, we need the night phase for more information and if he IS the mafia role blocker he can't stop Doom from hiding so it will work in OUR benefit.

Also Neb, CLAIM YOUR NA's <.< Ghostly must have at least used it once...
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby Iron Butterfly on Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:04 pm

Neb Writes

"All my night actions are reflected in the above information. Remember, ANYONE can be recruited, so we essentially have nobody cleared at this point."

Seeing how you like to bring up how I played in Harry Potter let me ask you somthing relevant. If you are cop how are your investigation results stated?

You say they are reflected in above results but dont say who you investigated or how anyone would show up in an investigation. Granted you took overe the role but if we have 3rd Party, 5 from the start, Mafia, Town and cult how do you tell who is who??
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby aage on Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:03 pm

jak111 wrote:Meh, let's just kill Aage, we need the night phase for more information and if he IS the mafia role blocker he can't stop Doom from hiding so it will work in OUR benefit.

Also Neb, CLAIM YOUR NA's <.< Ghostly must have at least used it once...

Firstly, I doubt Neo is still a hider. Secondly, even if I were scum, blocking the town hero sounds like a bad idea with a cult on the loose.

In my opinion we should simply lynch the liar; IB is the most obvious Smith candidate to me. DJ is the only other option. If IB turns out not to be Smith DJ will get my roleblock. In the meantime Jak can track me if you still doubt me.
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