Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[thechuck51]

Two of the third party came up as "survivors" on my investigations. Unless there is a different meaning to " survivor" I'm pretty sure they are not aligned with any faction win. I am confused a to why they bussed neo, rather than putting one our both bodyguards on him...makes no sense.
un vote

Can we get all night actions on the table please?

Yup this rush to lych needs to slow down.

Something does not seem right. Maybe Im being paranoid but it just seems to be a little to neat and tidy. If Neo/Jak had not died perhaps...but it just seems to be Tooo convienient.

You guys realize that by my count Jonty hammered already right?

[Iron Butterfly]

If thats the case its not I havnt been warning you guys.

[betiko]

Chuck and ib the 2 last mafia and we win. Vodean, alliance Town scum vs survivors are you serious???? You really have more reasoning issues, it s frightening! And pmc, i m not surprised. You were heading a total different direction than meros yesterday and i didn t fully trust you. Actually how did it work, if town and meros won you would ve lost? I told you on night 1 i had trust issues with the role of persephone lol! You were the first or second recruit? Were you able to tell your faction our night conversations? So soundman who was Town died and you survived anderson s death..

[Iron Butterfly]

Chuck and ib the 2 last mafia and we win. Vodean, alliance Town scum vs survivors are you serious???? You really have more reasoning issues, it s frightening! And pmc, i m not surprised. You were heading a total different direction than meros yesterday and i didn t fully trust you. Actually how did it work, if town and meros won you would ve lost? I told you on night 1 i had trust issues with the role of persephone lol! You were the first or second recruit? Were you able to tell your faction our night conversations? So soundman who was Town died and you survived anderson s death..

I am who I said I am. I am Town.

A survivor should survive shouldnt they? That is what has stuck with me since yesterday.

With Town as long as Town out numbers the faction wins
With mafia as long as they out number at the end the faction wins
With 3rd party faction of survivors...

Betiko is now saying I am mafia? With my history versus mafia that falls flat.

You post confuses me Betiko.

[Leehar]

Idk what happened, days and nights go way too fast for me as supposedly chucks already lynched and I'm not even sure I did anything last night

[betiko]

Chuck and ib the 2 last mafia and we win. Vodean, alliance Town scum vs survivors are you serious???? You really have more reasoning issues, it s frightening! And pmc, i m not surprised. You were heading a total different direction than meros yesterday and i didn t fully trust you. Actually how did it work, if town and meros won you would ve lost? I told you on night 1 i had trust issues with the role of persephone lol! You were the first or second recruit? Were you able to tell your faction our night conversations? So soundman who was Town died and you survived anderson s death..

I am who I said I am. I am Town.

A survivor should survive shouldnt they? That is what has stuck with me since yesterday.

With Town as long as Town out numbers the faction wins
With mafia as long as they out number at the end the faction wins
With 3rd party faction of survivors...

Betiko is now saying I am mafia? With my history versus mafia that falls flat.

You post confuses me Betiko.

now??? you ve been mafia all the way acording to most of us, i already told you your keymaker fakeclaimstrategy with aage was busted. we are 12 left; please tell me who is mafia then. there s obviously some mafia left right??? even soundman died. come on; give me 2 people who can be mafia in your opinion; there is no other options than you and chuuck. you can try to survive all you want, but you and chuck are screwed.


ok, town, as a trust proof: we have an alterntive win condition, andwe are not going to use it. if the oracle dies we win (and only meros win). but we don't need to go that way; as if we kill all scums we win. If we wanted to use the alterative win condition, don t you think we would ve switched neb last night??? we did not,and edoc couldn ve thought that vodean would be targeted by switching him with neo.

let's hear more from town (i haven t counted if chuck is already lynched, i don t even know... but this game is over. in fact, chuck and ib would have only 1 chance by asking us to ally and kill townies as we would be 7. it s their only chance, but they know we already pacted an alliance with town and the game is lost for them. now wejust need to lynch them. by the way, i have a few questions:
neb, did you manage to get a investigation?
who killed dj in the first place to make him become a cult recruiter?

[safariguy5]

Scene

chuck(7)- edoc, hippo, betiko, pmc, vodean, neb, jonty
edoc(1)- chuck

chuck has been lynched, scene upcoming.

[safariguy5]

Scene

With the threat of Agent Smith gone, everyone quickly advanced on one of the few suspicious characters. Despite his protests of innocence, they quickly overpowered him.

thechuck51, Agent Jones, Mafia Suicide Bomber has been lynched!

Never send a human to do a machine's job.
If, indeed, the insider has failed, they'll sever the connection as soon as possible. Unless...
...they're dead. In either case...
...we have no choice but to continue as planned. Deploy the sentinels. Immediately.

MoB Deadly, Niobe, Town Doctor has won!

Nebuchadnezer V 2.0, The Oracle, Town Rolecop, Mason has won!

everywhere116, Sati, Town Innocent Priest has won!

Iron Butterfly, The Keymaker, Vanilla Townie has won!

vodean, Mouse, Vanilla Townie has won!

thehippo8, Zee, Vanilla Townie has won!

Town has won!

With the threat of the Agents gone, the Zion survivors brokered a peace deal with the machines. However, who knows how long such things will last...

betiko, Merovingen, Third Party Survivor has won!

pmchugh, Persephone, Third Party Survivor has won!

edocsil, The Trainman, Third Party Busdriver, Survivor has won!

Leehar, Third Party Sibling Bodyguard Survivor has won!

jonty125, Third Party Sibling Bodyguard Survivor has won!

Merovingen's Survivor Group has won!

Despite not being able to procure "the eyes of the oracle", the Merovingen was satisfied with the result. He had survived many reboots of the Matrix and he was certain he would survive many more. Let the machines and humans fight each other. He had his own domain to rule over, and he quite enjoyed it.

[safariguy5]

Roles and Night Actions
Town (14)
Neo (One-shot bulletproof/unlynchable, begins as Town Hider, becomes Super JOAT upon death and revive, unrecruitable, strong lover with Trinity)- DoomYoshi killed Night 5
Trinity (lover with Neo, Town Tracker)- jak111 died Night 5
Morpheus (Town Watcher)- freezie killed Night 1
Niobe (Town Doctor)- MoB Deadly
Captain Mifune (Town Vigilante)- cowboyz killed Night 2
The Oracle (Town Oracle learns role and abilities only, Masons with Seraph)- ghostly447 replaced by Nebuchadnezer V 2.0
Seraph (Town Bodyguard, Masons with The Oracle, Oracle must survive)- shieldgenerator7 lynched Day 4
Sati (Innocent Priest Townie)- everywhere116
Keymaker (Vanilla Townie)- Iron Butterfly
Tank (Vanilla Townie)- Nebuchadnezer killed Night 3
Mouse (Vanilla Townie)- dazza2008 replaced by vodean
Zee (Vanilla Townie)- thehippo8
Link (Vanilla Townie)- skillfusniper33 lynched Day 2
Commander Locke (Vanilla Townie)- Eldario lynched Day 1

Third Party (5)- Merovingen Must Survive
Merovingen (Third Party Survivor)- betiko
Persephone (Third Party Survivor)- SPARTACUS1974 replaced by pmchugh
Trainman (Third Party Busdriver)- edocsil
Twin 1 (Third Party Sibling with Twin 2, Bodyguard)- Leehar
Twin 2 (Third Party Sibling with Twin 1, Bodyguard)- jonty125

Cult (2)
Agent Smith (Architect- Third Party Commuter) begins as Third Party Serial Killer, one-shot autorevive, turns into Cult Recruiter- Djfireside killed Night 5
Cypher/Bane (Spoon Boy) Town Traitor/Cult Goon- soundman endgamed Night 5

pmchugh recruited Night 3
everywhere116 recruited Night 4

Mafia (3)
Agent Brown (The Kid- Vanilla Townie) Mafia Ninja- Roussallier replaced by Some7thingClever lynched Day 3
Agent Jones (Ghost- Vengeful Townie) Mafia Suicide Bomber- thechuck51 lynched Day 6
Agent Johnson (Councillor Hamann- Town Roleblocker) Mafia Roleblocker- crazymilkshake5 replaced by LSU Tiger Josh replaced by aage lynched Day 5

Alternate Win Conditions:
Neo: Agent Smith dies
Merovingen: Oracle dies
Agent Smith: Neo dies

Night 1:
Dj kills edoc
doom hides behind hippo
jak tracks hippo
clever kills Leehar
edoc busdrives himself with freezie
MoB protects Leehar
ghostly investigates pmc
shield protects ghostly
freezie watches edocsil
jonty protects betiko

Night 2
doom hides behind hippo
jak tracks jonty
edoc busdrives himself and everywhere
ghostly investigates Leehar
clever kills Dj
LSU roleblocks jak
jonty protects betiko
MoB protects jonty
shield protects ghostly
Dj kills cowboyz

Night 3
jak tracks shield
dj recruits pmchugh
MoB protects jak
edoc busdrives himself and jak
jonty protects betiko
doom hides behind hippo
shield protects ghostly
chuck kills neb
ghostly investigates Doom

Night 4
Doom hides behind jak
jak tracks vodean
aage roleblocks doom
chuck kills doom
jonty protects betiko
Mob protects jak
dj recruits everywhere
edoc busdrives Mob and ghostly

Night 5
chuck kills vodean
neb investigates dj
jonty protects betiko
edoc busses vodean and doom
jak tracks IB
Doom kills Dj
dj recruits jak
mob protects doom

[safariguy5]

Mod Notes and Comments

I specifically made the Agent Smith autorevive vague because I didn't want the killer to immediately catch on as to what was going on.

I hoped I put enough non Zion VT roles in to make the little theory moot. I tried to pick roles in the movies that didn't demonstrate an inordinate amount of power as VT roles. Yes, the Keymaker was essential to the plot, but he basically had to be rescued and displayed no real fighting or survival ability.

When pmc got recruited by Dj, I wondered if he was going to keep the little alternate WC secret from cult. If he did, then it's possible the rest of the survivors could have double crossed the cultists and sided with town to lynch The Oracle in exchange for turning over the real Agent Smith.

I meant to send soundman the Cypher role initially, but I accidentally wrote Bane. Oh well.

[Iron Butterfly]

WAIT...I want more drama!!
LOL one has to love being paranoid.

Good job saf.

[everywhere116]

When pmc got recruited by Dj, I wondered if he was going to keep the little alternate WC secret from cult. If he did, then it's possible the rest of the survivors could have double crossed the cultists and sided with town to lynch The Oracle in exchange for turning over the real Agent Smith.

He did not. DJ and sound knew about it, but they only referred to it in passing by the time I got there. By the way he worded it, it sounded to me like the TOWN would win if the Oracle died, which confused me and I asked him to clarify, but he died before he could.

I meant to send soundman the Cypher role initially, but I accidentally wrote Bane. Oh well.

What was sound's role before the cult came into existence? Did he know who DJ was? Was he technically a townie?

[vodean]

good game guys. and im hurt that you didnt believe my claim.

[Iron Butterfly]

good game guys. and im hurt that you didnt believe my claim.

I friggin beleived you and told ya so. I voted Clever over you...and how do you repay me?? the Horror. the Horror of it all.

[pmchugh]

The cult didn't want to have the oracle killed because the survivors were still needed and we didn't want them to endgame. (I would have been given away majorly when everyone else won).

For the record I was not really playing like cult day 4, I was playing as I would have as a survivor. Survivors have no allegiance to town whatsoever, and it irks me when people think they do. I was too conservative though, I should have went after IB when he town told and I should have been very anti-claims after I outed myself, I am too passive as mafia sometimes.

I wanted to talk to meros about the cult but I didn't trust them at all. I was especially keen to mess with the busdriver action and considered feeding them false information. (i.e. you will be recruited switch chuck and vodean as chuck is the cult leader). In the end I thought it would just get messy and they could not be trusted.

Great game saf!

[Nebuchadnezer]

Yay! Only took me two tries to get the win in this game. Thanks to all of you for putting up with my baffoonery on day 1.

Well run game, Safariguy. Funny thing is that if chuck turned up town, I was going to advocate the lynching of 3rd party! Good thing it didn't come to that...

[thechuck51]

Twice we killed guys that were auto revive! WTF?

Great job Saf, it was an enjoyable game.
Good game everybody

Town and 3rd party may have won but in the end we killed neo bitches!

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[everywhere116]

Twice we killed guys that were auto revive! WTF?

Great job Saf, it was an enjoyable game.
Good game everybody

Town and 3rd party may have won but in the end we killed neo bitches!

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I also realized something else: With only three mafia agents, your terrorist role is butt useless. If there were 4 or 5 of you as initially suspected, your role would have been more useful.

[edocsil]

Yay! Only took me two tries to get the win in this game. Thanks to all of you for putting up with my baffoonery on day 1.

Well run game, Safariguy. Funny thing is that if chuck turned up town, I was going to advocate the lynching of 3rd party! Good thing it didn't come to that...

Escpecially because survivors would have outnumbered the town on the next day. GG all.

[shieldgenerator7]

Good game everyone!

[thehippo8]

Good goame ... see ... being honest wins every time!

[safariguy5]

When pmc got recruited by Dj, I wondered if he was going to keep the little alternate WC secret from cult. If he did, then it's possible the rest of the survivors could have double crossed the cultists and sided with town to lynch The Oracle in exchange for turning over the real Agent Smith.

He did not. DJ and sound knew about it, but they only referred to it in passing by the time I got there. By the way he worded it, it sounded to me like the TOWN would win if the Oracle died, which confused me and I asked him to clarify, but he died before he could.

I meant to send soundman the Cypher role initially, but I accidentally wrote Bane. Oh well.

What was sound's role before the cult came into existence? Did he know who DJ was? Was he technically a townie?

Sound was a town traitor who was sided with Agent Smith (just like in the first movie). If Agent Smith and him were the last ones standing, they would both win. And yes, they knew of each other's existence.

Twice we killed guys that were auto revive! WTF?

Great job Saf, it was an enjoyable game.
Good game everybody

Town and 3rd party may have won but in the end we killed neo bitches!

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I also realized something else: With only three mafia agents, your terrorist role is butt useless. If there were 4 or 5 of you as initially suspected, your role would have been more useful.

Mafia got caught out too early this game. I was hoping they would live longer, but all the VT claims early really hurt their fakeclaims. Towards endgame, if there were at least a couple of them left, I wanted to give them a surefire way to kill Agent Smith if they absolutely had to. I could see no other way to give mafia a realistic shot at winning should cult get too big.

Also, I'm really surprised Dj didn't use the Architect fake. That was probably my strongest fakeclaim. And it had precedence in the first game.

I wondered if Town was too overpowered, but I figured that with the Neo/Trinity and Oracle/Seraph roles, should Agent Smith and/or Merovingen kill Neo or Oracle, Town should still have a fighting chance against the other Agents.

[edocsil]

Balance is always so hard with that large a 3rd party. If Neo died one day earlier, cult would have won.

[jak111]

I wanted to blow up in whoever's face suggested IB was mafia this last day.. Saf gave me my results.. and of course I was killed before I could say IB was a VT :/
(I blame Edoc, lol)

But good thing town and survivors sided with one another. Truthfully with town and survivors.. we majorly outnumbered them and could do a process of elimination

Good game all XD

[edocsil]

I wanted to blow up in whoever's face suggested IB was mafia this last day.. Saf gave me my results.. and of course I was killed before I could say IB was a VT :/
(I blame Edoc, lol)

But good thing town and survivors sided with one another. Truthfully with town and survivors.. we majorly outnumbered them and could do a process of elimination

Good game all XD

Yeah, I killed neo twice, you AND Morpheus. I was honestly trying to help