[UNKNOWN] Mafia Day 5 - The Disappearance [Abandoned]

[naxus]

yes, targetman, that is exactly why I initially voted for him.
Unvote Vote AoG

Really?

Vote AoG for voting before the day scene
hey, first time I've used color!

Cause that's a straight blatant lie. If you do want to learn and get better shield, learn the phrase Lynch All Liars. If someone is caught in a lie, it's almost always because they are anti-town and were trying to cover their tracks.

It's quite likely that you thought the bandwagon was a fairly good one and wanted to hop on. No need to lie though. Re- wagon: this is a big game and the thing I have found with large games is we do have to have everyone talking otherwise it's really hard to have discussion or reach a lynch.

Anyway shield, you've still earned my vote for that. If you are learning than show it, for one you haven't really made much input today only hopping on wagons.

If I'm counting correctly, AoG is at L-6 now, Just saying.

Also, shield continues to prove my point; He uses any reason to switch votes, but makes it so blatant that it can be confused with being a noob.

Vote shield for the above reasons lets kill em

[safariguy5]

I think a prod of AoG is in order and a replacement if possible. Lynching inactives Day 1 is less desirable in larger games I think because we definitely have more leads.

[targetman377]

ok so here is my question i will admit i have my suspension about aog however shield is raising eyebrow a lot of them. now i feel conflicted again The case for shield is strong and i am starting to get more and more suspicious of him with every post.

[Rodion]

yes, targetman, that is exactly why I initially voted for him.
Unvote Vote AoG

Since Target made a reasonably big post, I went to Shield's original vote on AoG to make sure I got the reasoning correct. It turns out he (joke) voted on AoG for voting before the game started.

I don't understand why voting before the opening scene is scummy. How is that different from your average joke vote? They sound the same to me: both add nothing to the investigations and are just ways of breaking the ice.

That said, if someone voted before the game even started and you want to joke vote on him because of that, I find it perfectly cool (you can base your joke vote on whatever you want: it's a joke after all). But now, out of the joke vote stage, you hop on AoG's wagon, NOT because of his possibly scummy submarining, but because of a silly vote he cast before the game even started?!

I mean, come on! You had a legit reason to vote on the guy and you managed to blow it by summoning the wrong motive?!

Thoughtless acts won't get you anywhere. The way I see it, you're either mafia or a townie that is mentally incapable of making a positive contribution for your side. Considering I don't want a no lynch, you're the top candidate.

Vote Shield.

FOS AoG for trying to get the game serious and then instantly submarining.

[Commander9]

Me likes

Vote count:

Shield (5) - Edoc, Sax, blake, naxus, Rodion
Fir (1) - Shaggy,
AoG (6) - AoG, Sheep, target, Yoshi, Shield, freezie
Yoshi (1) - PCM
blake (1) - Karel
target (1) - jeraado
freezie (1) - vioiet
shaggy (1) - Iliad
streaker (1) - fir

With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch. Deadline is May 5th. (I may consider extending if this activity level will continue)

AoG prodded.

[Iliad]

Damn, I forgot I had my vote on shaggy
unvote vote shield

[safariguy5]

Hmm, I thought I was voting for someone. Oh well. I really wanted to give shield a chance, I really did. But you can't use the noob card every single game you've played. With deadline approaching, I'd rather hear a claim from someone who's active than lynch an inactive and pray he's mafia.

vote shield

[Streaker]

I like how target was able to stirr up the conversation so quickly with his case against AoG. He is very much correct about how active AoG is during joke voting, but hasn't made a SINGLE post yet when discussion starts. That beats on lynching an inactive for a game this size. Also, it proves that target is at least willing to post and putting in an effort to help town.

What is even better about target's case on Aog, is the fact that it lured out Shield with another one of his typical 'lets jump on the latest wagon where I can easily hide' posts.

A quick summary of the posts I'm talking about:

Vote AoG for voting before the day scene
hey, first time I've used color!

UNvote vote streaker let's get a lynch before N1. Maybe we'll even get a role claim

yeah I'm a newbie and still trying to work on my "trolling" (I still don't quite understand that term, but I get the jist). Sorry if I'm not up to par yet, I'm still working my way up there.
I agree with Streaker about voting for the inactives. if they're never around they can't be of much help to the town.
Unvote Vote Campin_Killer
@Iliad - And why should I have to defend myself right now? It's still in the joke vote stage, although it appears it is coming out a bit.
To be honest, i don't get the case on Streaker. It doesn't seem he did anything scummy.AoG, however, did 2 unusual things this game: he voted before the day scene AND tried to force the town from the joke vote stage. It seems very unusual, even for him, and although I can't tell thus far if he is scum because of it but I just wanted to point that out, maybe it's due to nervousness of being found out as a mafia member? IDK as of yet. Do you care to explain this AoG?

Forgot colour but screw it as it was a joke.

Vote Shaggy I saw him bangin' on the sofa.

this is a completely joking vote after the joke-vote stage is over. It may be a scum tactic in trying to prolong the joke vote stage and keeping town from making a decisive lynch. And plus it's just a distraction. I am going to UNvote Vote nagerous until he explains why he joke voted after the joke vote stage was completely over with.

yes, targetman, that is exactly why I initially voted for him.
Unvote Vote AoG

The huge bolded part only adds to the reasons what he should be hung for. First he joke votes Aog, following up with a vote on me. Not OMGUS'ing here, but he states he doesn't get what the case on me is all about. AFTER voting for me. Not only that, but he unvotes only to jump on the hottest wagon of the day, the inactive CK. Again without contributing anything.

Next thing you know, he is unvoting yet again. This time he goes after nagerous who was kind enough to provide us with laugh. Not the most usefull of posts by nag there, but not warranting a lynch.

After his little venture against nag, he is once again eager to unvote and go after AoG. And not even for the actual case on AoG, but rather his joke vote...

It looks like I haven't voted yet, but for good measure Unvote, vote Shield
No more hiding for him. He had his chances, this is just too much to let slip...

[Fircoal]

I can get myself get behind either of these wagons, however I think I'll restrain from changing my vote until I see where this pattern goes. However I have a feeling Shield is gonna need to claim soon.

[ShaggyDan]

Unvote].

I approve of the bandwagon on both Shield and AoG for reasons already said. And with deadline so close I'm going to Vote Shield for a potential claim (I believe that's L-4 if my count is right).

[nagerous]

There is no case on AoG except for his inactivity. The best solution to that is a prod.

unvote vote shield for repeated bandwagoning and vote-hopping.

[shieldgenerator7]

Why do you think I'm voting AoG just because of his joke vote?

AoG, however, did 2 unusual things this game: he voted before the day scene AND tried to force the town from the joke vote stage. It seems very unusual, even for him, and although I can't tell thus far if he is scum because of it but I just wanted to point that out, maybe it's due to nervousness of being found out as a mafia member? IDK as of yet. Do you care to explain this AoG?

I completely started the case on AoG, based on the same reasons that targetman based his case. There's no difference between what I said about AoG and what targetman said about AoG, except for how it was said. The content was the same.
And plus, AoG never said anyhting after my case on him. I think that's saying something. It could be that he knew he was found out and decided to subdive for a while. I wasn't voting again on AoG because of his joke vote.

[edocsil]

yes, targetman, that is exactly why I initially voted for him.
Unvote Vote AoG

Really?

Vote AoG for voting before the day scene
hey, first time I've used color!

Cause that's a straight blatant lie. If you do want to learn and get better shield, learn the phrase Lynch All Liars. If someone is caught in a lie, it's almost always because they are anti-town and were trying to cover their tracks.

It's quite likely that you thought the bandwagon was a fairly good one and wanted to hop on. No need to lie though. Re- wagon: this is a big game and the thing I have found with large games is we do have to have everyone talking otherwise it's really hard to have discussion or reach a lynch.

Anyway shield, you've still earned my vote for that. If you are learning than show it, for one you haven't really made much input today only hopping on wagons.

Can we PLEASE hang him for this, PLEASE.

Shield, correct me if I am wrong, but this was your case compared to targets case. They don't really seem to have the same, depth, shall we say.

[Streaker]

Why do you think I'm voting AoG just because of his joke vote?

AoG, however, did 2 unusual things this game: he voted before the day scene AND tried to force the town from the joke vote stage. It seems very unusual, even for him, and although I can't tell thus far if he is scum because of it but I just wanted to point that out, maybe it's due to nervousness of being found out as a mafia member? IDK as of yet. Do you care to explain this AoG?

I completely started the case on AoG, based on the same reasons that targetman based his case. There's no difference between what I said about AoG and what targetman said about AoG, except for how it was said. The content was the same.
And plus, AoG never said anyhting after my case on him. I think that's saying something. It could be that he knew he was found out and decided to subdive for a while. I wasn't voting again on AoG because of his joke vote.

It seems you failed to comprehend target's case against AoG. Target's main issue is that AoG is scummarining, while you base your reasoning on JOKE VOTING.

Even after the posts after target's case, where we explain more, you seem to skim. After all, your reply ONLY mentioned the joke voting. You also fail to explain my other reasons for my vote on you.

[blakebowling]

Just thought I'd help commander out since I had some extra time.

Vote count:

Shield (10) - Edoc, Sax, blake, naxus, Rodion, Iliad, safariguy5, Streaker, Shaggy, nagerous L - 3
AoG (6) - AoG, Sheep, target, Yoshi, Shield, freezie
Yoshi (1) - PCM
blake (1) - Karel
target (1) - jeraado
freezie (1) - vioiet
streaker (1) - fir

With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch. Deadline is May 5th.

Also edoc, shield is saying that he did post a bit more reasoning than AoG's joke vote. AoG was being himself and still joking about ending joke votes. If he was serious, then he is the lyncher (albeit the dumbest lyncher I've ever seen), and it would make no sense to lynch him.

I understand that shield's behavior may not be scummy, but I can't stand playing with him any more; I'm not sure about the rest of you.

[blakebowling]

Just thought I'd help commander out since I had some extra time.

Vote count:

Shield (10) - Edoc, Sax, blake, naxus, Rodion, Iliad, safariguy5, Streaker, Shaggy, nagerous L - 3
AoG (6) - AoG, Sheep, target, Yoshi, Shield, freezie
Yoshi (1) - PCM
blake (1) - Karel
target (1) - jeraado
freezie (1) - vioiet
streaker (1) - fir

With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch. Deadline is May 5th.

Also edoc, shield is saying that he did post a bit more reasoning than AoG's joke vote. If he has, I've failed to find it.

AoG was being himself and still joking about ending joke votes. If he was serious, then he is the lyncher (albeit the dumbest lyncher I've ever seen), and it would make no sense to lynch him.

I understand that shield's behavior may not be scummy, but I can't stand playing with him any more; I'm not sure about the rest of you.

EBWOP

[shieldgenerator7]

well, seeing how I'm almost at a lynch, I might as well claim.
I am Romeo (Lover). If you lynch me you will cause my lover to commit suicide, who is Namliam. If she posted at all she could confirm this.
If you lynch me, you kill two people.

[DoomYoshi]

Well, we get rid of a inactive if we kill you. That makes future lynches easier.

Shield, it's time to talk seriously. Right now, you are ruining the fun of this game. A lot of people put their necks out to defend you and now you are throwing it back in their faces. What you are doing now is the equivalent of suiciding in the RISK game. If I could label you after this game, I would. Your experiment is studid, your reasoning is stupid, your play style is stupid. I try not to insult people's intelligence (as I remember only too recently when my intelligence was brought into question) but it is necessary in this case. At this point, I don't care if you are the lover, the town will probably lynch you anyways, just to get rid of you.

Why do you have to ruin the game?

[Rodion]

well, seeing how I'm almost at a lynch, I might as well claim.
I am Romeo (Lover). If you lynch me you will cause my lover to commit suicide, who is Namliam. If she posted at all she could confirm this.
If you lynch me, you kill two people.

I'm assuming Namliam is Juliet?

So one of you is a Montague (Romeo) and the other is a Capulet (Juliet)? Rival families that want to kill one another? Maybe 1 mafia and 1 town?

I wouldn't mind killing one mafia at the cost of a town suicide. I also wouldn't mind killing one town at the cost of a mafia suicide.

For now, if Namliam confirms Shield's story, we could maybe consider postponing this lynch until we are sure they are not both town. I'm waiting on Namliam's post.

[ndrs]

well, seeing how I'm almost at a lynch, I might as well claim.
I am Romeo (Lover). If you lynch me you will cause my lover to commit suicide, who is Namliam. If she posted at all she could confirm this.
If you lynch me, you kill two people.

This makes it easy for me.

I'm pretty sure Rodion got it right with Romeo and Juliet belonging to two different factions. Them both being townies would make Town a little too weak?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it got to be beneficial to Town if we kill one Townie and one Mafia?

In addition to this, Shield is taking up to much space in relation to his commitment to the game (in my opinion). Get rid.

Vote Shield, leaving potential adjustment to the lynch to the last two guys when and if Namliam tunes in with some information.

[safariguy5]

I think that town/mafia lovers is a definite possibility given the size of the game and also the the possibility of multiple factions (see Post Apoc game). And if the two of them are just straight lovers, there's a good possibility that they could be separate third parties, which doesn't hurt town too much anyways.

[Commander9]

Vote count:

Shield (11) - Edoc, Sax, blake, naxus, Rodion, Iliad, Safari, Streaker, Shaggy, Nag, ndrs L-2
AoG (6) - AoG, Sheep, target, Yoshi, Shield, freezie
Yoshi (1) - PCM
blake (1) - Karel
target (1) - jeraado
freezie (1) - vioiet
streaker (1) - fir

With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch. Deadline is May 5th. (I may consider extending if this activity level will continue)(Thanks Blake)

Considering replacing AoG and prodding Namliam, PCM, freezie, Karel, sheep, drabod. Thoughts?

[blakebowling]

Vote count:

Shield (11) - Edoc, Sax, blake, naxus, Rodion, Iliad, Safari, Streaker, Shaggy, Nag, ndrs L-2
AoG (6) - AoG, Sheep, target, Yoshi, Shield, freezie
Yoshi (1) - PCM
blake (1) - Karel
target (1) - jeraado
freezie (1) - vioiet
streaker (1) - fir

With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch. Deadline is May 5th. (I may consider extending if this activity level will continue)(Thanks Blake)

Considering replacing AoG and prodding Namliam, PCM, freezie, Karel, sheep, drabod. Thoughts?

You're getting better at counting (I'm joking if you didn't get that)

Also, I would agree with replacing AoG, assuming he doesn't post before the day ends.

[ndrs]

I think that town/mafia lovers is a definite possibility given the size of the game and also the the possibility of multiple factions (see Post Apoc game). And if the two of them are just straight lovers, there's a good possibility that they could be separate third parties, which doesn't hurt town too much anyways.

Didn't think about third parties. Thanks for the tip, I'm gonna read through that game tonight – I'm having some time off.

[nagerous]

I think it'd be beneficial to hear from Namliam before anyone does anything rash.