Romeo and Juliet Mafia - Capulet Victory. +Paris+John

[edocsil]

Yes spartacus I am hiding my faction at this point as should everyone else. spartacus are you understanding that 1-6 is something different that will tell what your role is to Dazza. other than that every single time that dazza targets your alignment is revealed.

So a scenario for some that may have missed this conception.

Dazza targets spartacus, the next day you show up in the scenario as a (capulet) this is not a 1-6 chance this will happen.
now the 1-6 shot happens Dazza now also gets the chance to get your role (doctor)

Now the montagues know you are a capulet and you are their doctor. Do you think the montagues vig who hasnt been identified yet is going to let you live If dazza reveals this. We dont know what dazza's endgame win is. If you are a capulet or montague or aligned to them your endgame win is when R&J die.

That cannot possibly be dazza's endgame win.

For those 2 reasons I voted Dazza.

Thanks for the vote of confidence as usual Edoc,LOL

Idk what it is, you always seem so scummy to me I think this is the third game in a row.

Also, dollars to doughnuts says you are a Vig for one of the families. I aught to tell you that your allies WC isn't the same as yours. Gosh, perhaps I am third time lucky.

[shieldgenerator7]

I didn't vote for jgordon because I didn't find his thought worthy of hanging. Afterall, we're not looking for mafia, we're looking for one faction to destroy the other.

[Bleed_Green]

Edoc is still underneath the montague roof and that is why he was outed for being aligned with them, he may not be one of the key family members but he still has the win condition if the house wins

This is untrue. It should be easily evidenced by my words so far that my WC is not the same as the Montague's. I love how my JG vote has gotten totally ignored in favor of flav spec.

Your JG vote did not get ignored, I can see where he is coming from not wanting to allow Dazza to live due to the fact that who ever he reports can potentially give out valuable information. I see this but right now I also see that the information provided can be very valuable in the early stages. (double edge sword)

Idk what it is, you always seem so scummy to me I think this is the third game in a row.

Also, dollars to doughnuts says you are a Vig for one of the families. I aught to tell you that your allies WC isn't the same as yours. Gosh, perhaps I am third time lucky.

Edoc how are able to determine that his WC is not the same as his allies?

[dazza2008]

Yes spartacus I am hiding my faction at this point as should everyone else. spartacus are you understanding that 1-6 is something different that will tell what your role is to Dazza. other than that every single time that dazza targets your alignment is revealed.

So a scenario for some that may have missed this conception.

Dazza targets spartacus, the next day you show up in the scenario as a (capulet) this is not a 1-6 chance this will happen.
now the 1-6 shot happens Dazza now also gets the chance to get your role (doctor)

Now the montagues know you are a capulet and you are their doctor. Do you think the montagues vig who hasnt been identified yet is going to let you live If dazza reveals this. We dont know what dazza's endgame win is. If you are a capulet or montague or aligned to them your endgame win is when R&J die.

That cannot possibly be dazza's endgame win.

For those 2 reasons I voted Dazza.

Thanks for the vote of confidence as usual Edoc,LOL

I am not sure what you really mean here. If I find out someone is the doc I can keep this info to myself. I have already stated that I will only reveal info if you guys want me to.

What do you mean about my "endgame win"? I just have to survive till the end here. I can't see what harm I can do really. More info is only ever a good thing.

It seems you have something to hide. Vote jgordon

[ghostly447]

Hey guys, just dropping in to say that I will be needing to read all this again, and maybe a third time because I am completely lost. Just going to also say I am not willing to test general's claim due to that this is a pretty strange game (role wise) and I wouldnt be surprised to see a bastard role such as a joker.

So I will reread when I get time and post when I can .

[edocsil]

Edoc is still underneath the montague roof and that is why he was outed for being aligned with them, he may not be one of the key family members but he still has the win condition if the house wins

This is untrue. It should be easily evidenced by my words so far that my WC is not the same as the Montague's. I love how my JG vote has gotten totally ignored in favor of flav spec.

Your JG vote did not get ignored, I can see where he is coming from not wanting to allow Dazza to live due to the fact that who ever he reports can potentially give out valuable information. I see this but right now I also see that the information provided can be very valuable in the early stages. (double edge sword)

Idk what it is, you always seem so scummy to me I think this is the third game in a row.

Also, dollars to doughnuts says you are a Vig for one of the families. I aught to tell you that your allies WC isn't the same as yours. Gosh, perhaps I am third time lucky.

Edoc how are able to determine that his WC is not the same as his allies?

Deductive reasoning. If we assume R&J are survivors and that they can win somehow, then there must be some way for them to survive. If there are two entire families hell bent on killing them and they are not as OP as hell then they cannot win. R&J do not fit the flavor of bulletproofs, joats or the like, they are lovers and likely fragile and not Over Powered. If the entire purpose of this game was to annihilate a pair of lovers this is going to be a very, very short game. Also, if 2 lovers have to kill off every single Capulet and Montague this a very unbalanced game.

So, in short, the Family Vigs have a different WC then the main portion of the Families under the assumptions that the game is balanced and Romeo is not a minor mafia god.

[jgordon1111]

Yes Dazza once again what I am hiding is my faction.
LOL here comes the humor If you want then Edoc I know your faction and yet I was willing to go for Dazza,so no I dont have a vig role as your suggesting or I would have just took Dazza out at night and went for you who soft claimed.

So edoc your idea is to bring a fourth role into the open on D1 thats to many for now lets hear your hard claim then montague.[img]Unvote%20Vote%20Edoc[/img].

[chapcrap]

Oh my goodness!!!!

Please read things before you post inaccuracies!!!

jgordon, dazza had already stated his WC is to survive. Surprise, he's a third party and a survivor. Classic third party WC.

SPARTACUS, weren't you just agreeing with jgordon a page or two ago? And now you're voting for him for the exact thing you agreed about? Yes, yes you were. You voted for dazza.

alt, since no one answered you, I will. Yes, it is common for a poisoner's kills to happen a day or two after the person is actually poisoned. The exact details of it can vary from game to game based on what the mod has set up, but it is common that the poisoner does not kill immediately and that the kills happen later.

I didn't vote for jgordon because I didn't find his thought worthy of hanging. Afterall, we're not looking for mafia, we're looking for one faction to destroy the other.

Finally, someone who is starting to get it. Didn't think that I would ever think SG7 wasn't scummy. Of course it's in a game where there is seemingly no actual mafia, so I'm not sure if it counts.

[SPARTACUS1974]

Oh my goodness!!!!

Please read things before you post inaccuracies!!!

jgordon, dazza had already stated his WC is to survive. Surprise, he's a third party and a survivor. Classic third party WC.

SPARTACUS, weren't you just agreeing with jgordon a page or two ago? And now you're voting for him for the exact thing you agreed about? Yes, yes you were. You voted for dazza.

alt, since no one answered you, I will. Yes, it is common for a poisoner's kills to happen a day or two after the person is actually poisoned. The exact details of it can vary from game to game based on what the mod has set up, but it is common that the poisoner does not kill immediately and that the kills happen later.

I didn't vote for jgordon because I didn't find his thought worthy of hanging. Afterall, we're not looking for mafia, we're looking for one faction to destroy the other.

Finally, someone who is starting to get it. Didn't think that I would ever think SG7 wasn't scummy. Of course it's in a game where there is seemingly no actual mafia, so I'm not sure if it counts.

think you need to stop skimming ?no no no i never voted for dazza
and i am voting for jgordon as i cant see the problem with dazza doing his thing at night but jgordon does not want it , is this because he has something to hide

[jgordon1111]

shit I love the insanity of this game Lord montague role blocker. your welcome edoc try to protect you and you being the superior player send everyone right back to me.

[jgordon1111]

and yes i understand i was submarineing and not saying anything of substance again LOL you guys please freaking kill me this is getting ridiculos. Forty GD hints for you Edoc and your skills couldnt detect them judas priest. Man you players and your vaunted capabilities to detect scum, Suck at it you know.

[jgordon1111]

I know what Dazza stated chap, was aware of it from the first time he said it.

[edocsil]

I have something really long written but this popped up. JG Let me ask something, you are Lord Montague, and your WC is have Romeo dead?

[jgordon1111]

nope when all capulats are dead,therefore rather than you as a target I wanted Dazza out of the way who clould reveal more roles,and maybe reveal me or another montague next and then the capulate vig starts nailing us, But you didnt guess that I thought you knew everyones roles from day one thats why everyone follows your lead for some reason.

And I notice you kill alot of your team in these games to try and get to endgame, Is it about MVP?

Random killings when you have that role, leading lynchings on BS evidence etc. LOL amusing really that these people still follow your lead even as your killing them.

Because I find your actual capability rather limited, no team play at all unless it is one of the other long term players. someone who hasnt done this as long as you cant possibly be able to think out the possibilities,and lay a plan for the (team) to get to endgame.

[jgordon1111]

I was accused of playing by ego the other day, I think my accuser was wrong, it is you with the over inflated ego of your capabilities, that turns some of these games in the wrong direction.

[shieldgenerator7]

vote count? I mean how many did it take to crack jgordon this time? I mean, hay, dude, you're a valuable player, but you don't react well under pressure.

I mean this stinks for monatgues. Now there are 2 montagues revealed instead of just edoc.

I know it stinks being the target of edoc's wrath, but you gotta find some way to handle it. I know you can do it

-SG7 ( )

[jgordon1111]

Na not needed,The votes were going to go against me like last time because for some inane reason When Edoc calls someone out they get shafted, LOL even though about 90% of the time he manages to kill a teamate,very strange people follow someone who that often is wrong and manages to get his team mate killed.

[shieldgenerator7]

Na not needed,The votes were going to go against me like last time because for some inane reason When Edoc calls someone out they get shafted, LOL even though about 90% of the time he manages to kill a teamate,very strange people follow someone who that often is wrong and manages to get his team mate killed.

if you're talking about a townie getting a townie lynched, yeah that happens all the time. It is very difficult to lynch scum 100% of the time (and the game would be a lot less fun if that were true).

But yeah I see your point: when you're always that townie who gets lynched D1 it can be rather discouraging.

[jgordon1111]

Not at all discouraged,just trying to wake some of the other players up to the fact that these long term players consider everyone else fodder to get them to endgame and MVP no matter who they kill to get there. I am not mad or discouraged in the least.

I want everyone to think for themselves see whats going on in the game and determine your best course of action each day. Rather than letting someone lead them that is wrong more than they are right. that is getting tiresome to me a super ego keeps calling me out wether I am on his team or not. Mostly on his team,but that is not relevant even with hints, that ego will put you under the bus to endgame and MVP for some reason.

[edocsil]

Not at all discouraged,just trying to wake some of the other players up to the fact that these long term players consider everyone else fodder to get them to endgame and MVP no matter who they kill to get there. I am not mad or discouraged in the least.

I want everyone to think for themselves see whats going on in the game and determine your best course of action each day. Rather than letting someone lead them that is wrong more than they are right. that is getting tiresome to me a super ego keeps calling me out wether I am on his team or not. Mostly on his team,but that is not relevant even with hints, that ego will put you under the bus to endgame and MVP for some reason.

First off Unvote

Second why lie about you WC at first? That was more or less the reason I assumed you were the Capulet Vig. Insults aside I have modded more games then you have played. I know what I am doing and provided I avoid getting NKed I will usually win. Attempted MVP is the way I play and it is fairly successful. I could sit back and just follow others wagons, but that is no fun and also a good way to lose.

You cave in to early, I had no idea if I was going to get enough pressure to force your lynch. I was hoping to do it so we could identify who was likely a Capulet but you managed to axe that plan early on by claiming so soon as well as lying about your WC. You don't play at the same level yet as some of the players here so when you call me out for being wrong early on I don't hold it against you. Let me put this way. If ar right D1 and D2 more then 1/3 of the time I am a God Walking Among Mere Mortals (bonus points for the reference) that means I can doing WAY better then the average odds of a game. More importantly I am driving many pages of relevant discussion which is a thousand times more important then any proper lynch, as the actions of today are going to determine how much we know at the endgame. Before you insult me perhaps you should ask why I act the way I do. It is with reason and logic. It is to pursue two goals. Win. Have Fun. Winning is fun, ergo my only purpose is to WIN.

Town lynches Town all the time D1 D2, even D3. And hell you are not even town, although your WC does not conflict with mine. Should I say again you shouldn't have lied about that?

[shieldgenerator7]

"Win. Have Fun. Winning is fun, ergo my only purpose is to WIN."

This is going down in mafia history as a famous quote.

[edocsil]

"Win. Have Fun. Winning is fun, ergo my only purpose is to WIN."

This is going down in mafia history as a famous quote.

Sig it. Like a Boss.

[jgordon1111]

I never once declared my WC edoc now not only are you killing your team mates over and over your skimming and calling it evidence.

Why declare because in several games I have been your team mate and despite some hints each time you continue to push for my role.

In one game you lead the charge and when I tried to stonewall it and gave you hints I was told I wasnt playing by some god awful unwritten game etiquette and hard headed and cursed at, you have a short skimming memory there Edoc.

In case anyone missed it I am lord montague I am a roleblocker.

So despite trying to save my egotistical team mate there are now two montague roles revealed one IS A POWER ROLE MY TEAM MATE HAD TO KNOW ABOUT.

[shieldgenerator7]

"Win. Have Fun. Winning is fun, ergo my only purpose is to WIN."

This is going down in mafia history as a famous quote.

Sig it. Like a Boss.

I would. But my sig's already full


-SG7 ( )

[jgordon1111]

Opps missed one thing no need to lynch now, lynch Edoc and then vig me tonight or the other way around,but you really might go the first choice no idea of edoc role I tried to protect, better lynch him first,then vig me.

I think that was pretty well thought out, Do you agree or maybe you think they should lynch me first, Do tell I am aquiver to see your ego's response.