Dexter Mafia S2. Fires Snuffed: Endgame Town and Dexter Win

[chapcrap]

"As for what we're going to do IF BG flips town. I have no problem claiming. But in order for that to happen, BG needs to be telling the truth. That still remains to be seen, and quite frankly, talking about possibilities has absolutely no bearing on the current case because the outcome is uncertain at this point."

Really? Your case on BG is that he is lieing based on the idea that you do not believe this is a VT game. You use the past deaths to strengthen your claim. Possibilities/probabilities have everything to do with why you want to lynch BG.

Your last sentence is pretty funny as well." Possibilities have no bearing on the case because the out come is uncertain". What exactly does that mean?

Does anyone else think this is a huge flip flop? He voted for BG and then comes back with this when saf really didn't bring anything new at all?

I just cannot see the logic in getting no information from today. No claim, no anything. We're lynching someone who claimed yesterday and not going for anything new at all.

[Iron Butterfly]

"As for what we're going to do IF BG flips town. I have no problem claiming. But in order for that to happen, BG needs to be telling the truth. That still remains to be seen, and quite frankly, talking about possibilities has absolutely no bearing on the current case because the outcome is uncertain at this point."

Really? Your case on BG is that he is lieing based on the idea that you do not believe this is a VT game. You use the past deaths to strengthen your claim. Possibilities/probabilities have everything to do with why you want to lynch BG.

Your last sentence is pretty funny as well." Possibilities have no bearing on the case because the out come is uncertain". What exactly does that mean?

Does anyone else think this is a huge flip flop? He voted for BG and then comes back with this when saf really didn't bring anything new at all?

I just cannot see the logic in getting no information from today. No claim, no anything. We're lynching someone who claimed yesterday and not going for anything new at all.

It IS a flip flop. I changed my mind. Safari and BG both have merit to what they say. What swayed me the other way? BG seems sincere and Safari while making several logical points dosent sit right for some reason.

So sue me.

[safariguy5]

For crying out loud, I don't believe this. So BG "seems sincere" while I, making a "logical case" doesn't sit right?

I'm pretty sure people have voted me, but I haven't seen anything substantive besides "feelings" and other related gut reactions. Someone please produce something that refutes my case/ supports your vote on me besides the fact that I spoke up about the VT claim which I don't believe.

It has been brought up that BG may be a hidden role and been told he's VT. That's all well and good, but I have addressed this before. I said that hiding a role and giving someone a VT claim makes no sense when they're the only VT. That's just asking for a lynch because it smacks so strongly of a scum fake that the player is severely handicapped. Now, if multiple people are VT's or have hidden roles and were told they were VT, then that may be believable. But so far, nobody's claimed that so I doubt that possibility.

[BGtheBrain]

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[chapcrap]

It's almost like you want me lynched more than anything regardless of the outcome.

Hitting the nail on the head.

[safariguy5]

Well jonty clearly was lying about being VT. I'm pretty sure it's another NV game as both players who were NKed were not vanilla.

vote BGthebrain

Speaking of feelings.

Here is how you started the day safari.
Long story short you have a "feeling" it's a non vanilla game.

You only adding to the case when you realized not enough people would just follow you.

I don't understand why you can't consider you are wrong. It's almost like you want me lynched more than anything regardless of the outcome.

No, I gave plenty of statistics as to why I believe it's a NV game.

All you've given in your case on me is that I voted you.

What's wrong with this picture here?

Now, if you or anyone can bring up a more legitimate case, then I'm fulling willing to pursue that. But I believe this is the best case out there, and I'm pursuing it. I still haven't seen anyone give a substantive reason as to why my reasoning is invalid or give any evidence that there are other VT's in the game.

Don't get mad at me for pursuing a case if I'm the only one who actually cares enough to scum hunt.

[vodean]

im still convinced this is not an NV game. I think my vote is on safari, but i want to make sure it is, so unvote vote safari

[edocsil]

BG, 12 hours till you are deadline lynched. Last words?

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[edocsil]

So no, nothing really, did I read that right?

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[edocsil]

Well, you repeated what you had said previously with no new information, just continuing in the same vein as you have previously and unsuccessfully attempted.

[vodean]

guys, lets PLEASE not lynch him. i realize that it is too late to fix it, and i am outing myself if he flips scum, but i am quite convinced that he wont.

[BGtheBrain]

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[edocsil]

Vodean, you shouldn't have said that. If that is a claim come out and make it.

Also BG, you are not able to see this from our shoes, you can only seem to see this from your own position. From our position, we have zero reason to believe there are VTs, claimed VTs have turned scum, and there was some confusion with your name color. You can say that the logic is bad all you want, but it is what we believe. You have to find a reason to counter that belief rather then just continue to say "No, No, No"

My personal opinion is that your role says VT, and that when killed at night you become scum. I may be wrong, but I see no reason to risk it, and not for a powerless role. There is a massive precedence for this in Season 1, there were 2 roles whose alignments could change.

[vodean]

i think its pretty clear that since he counter-claimed a scum, he is not scum. also, i am not claiming VT, i am just saying that there is probably at least one VT in the game

[strike wolf]

Just got in about an hour ago. Not enough energy for scene tonight.

[strike wolf]

Another note. I'm not sure where Edoc got the idea I'm enforcing a deadline lynch (it's something I considered but didn't make an official rule), right now at L-1 BG would NOT be lynch.. Voting open until I can write a full scene (probably some time in the morning) or I say otherwise.

[Epitaph1]

My personal opinion is that your role says VT, and that when killed at night you become scum. I may be wrong, but I see no reason to risk it, and not for a powerless role. There is a massive precedence for this in Season 1, there were 2 roles whose alignments could change.

Can you explain this a little more? I'm still of the impression that BG is who he says he is, but I want to know what kind of roles/scenarios would allow an alignment shift and why you believe that could be the case here.

[edocsil]

Go read Dexter 1 if you want a really detailed scenario, But basically Dexter's alignment could change if he tried to kill the Ice Truck Killer, and someone else could turn scum if he was targeted by the killer. The common name for that sort of role is Judas and Salus.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

i think its pretty clear that since he counter-claimed a scum, he is not scum. also, i am not claiming VT, i am just saying that there is probably at least one VT in the game

Vodean he counterclaimed a SK not a fellow mafia bad guy. Does this mean he could be another SK? Yes it does. As Safari has pointed out several times in this game already that it does not make any sense to have VT's in this game with at least 2 probably 3 SK at the start of the game. As a matter of principle I tend to disbelieve all VT claims in a game until it's been proven that there is at least one VT in the game via a death scene or the mod stating so before hand with a C9 claim or something. My vote stays on BG.

[chapcrap]

This day has been truly awful playing I feel like, unless a large majority here are third party and SK and scum.

There is no deadline lynch, and we're just letting saf get away without so much as even a claim.

[safariguy5]

This day has been truly awful playing I feel like, unless a large majority here are third party and SK and scum.

There is no deadline lynch, and we're just letting saf get away without so much as even a claim.

What am I getting away with? IF BG flips town, I will certainly take responsibility/claim/take the lynch. I'm not trying to get myself off the hook here, but given the evidence I can see, there isn't much that supports BG case of "safari is wrong". Where's the evidence BG? In fact, I challenge anyone who's voting me to find real substantive evidence that it's a VT game. I'm not pulling more weight because I'm a veteran, I'm pulling more weight because my case has evidence. Repeating the same defense over and over doesn't make it true.

[BGtheBrain]

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[edocsil]

Valid points with the kills, all though the rest is questions that are nothing new and previously answered. Here is the crux of the issue however. Let's say we don't lynch you, things are likely going to be a NL, as only a few support a Saf lynch. We go from that and D3 we are back in the same place unless you are killed in the night, and we are still jerking it over a a damn VT. This issue needs to be resolved, until it is we cannot proceed. You continue to stall only makes others more certain of you guilt. If you were actually a VT you would realize you loss was fairly meaningless and simply self hammer. We are going to go to deadline, have the two kills tonight, and then be no better off for it.

Just vote yourself to end this. If your words and claims were true it will paint saf poorly and give us new leads for tomorrow