Pick your own Mystery Mafia Endgame:Whats your Function?

[Streaker]

I do not consider my virus read as scummy in any way, and i still stand by it.

[Iron Butterfly]

Endgame why would you not fully claim considering, as Strike pointed out, you pretty much soft claimed AND gave a description of your role to me?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Ah good one, Strike made another long post, I'll just unvote then!

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Strikewolf on Streaker:

You did little more than say you agreed with IB before voting Endgame. I don't really count those as serious content posts.

Strikewolf on Endgame:

Endgame-IB summed up initial reasons fairly nicely.

And lets look at his scum reads so far:

Brief list of those I think could be scum:

1. Streaker-Playing the game very similar to myself (Strikewolf) so must be scum.

2. Endgame-IB is the most town player and so I must game town cred for agreeing with him.

3. Dakky-Ditto as case 2

Strike on Madmitch in chronological order:

unvote vote Mitch to see if we can get him to say something.

Either way, there's no point in keeping the pressure on Madmitch. The mod's note makes it clear that something is indeed going on with him.

People who need to speak up.

1. Madmitch-unless he is completely blocked from posting we still do need to hear something from him today.

And this is where it gets really interesting. Madmitch is not suffering from a post restriction. How do I know this you ask? Because I am.

The townie woke up and felt a strange pull in his conscious, realizing his ability to speak is being partially hindered.

The details of my restriction are unimportant, only myself and the player who targetted me know this.

So what is going on with Mitch you ask?

he got hit over the head and blacked out

There is a clear difference here, Mitch is not partially hindered, he is completely hindered. Four people may be aware of this. Myself, Mitch, the player who targetted Mitch and possibly the player who targeted me. The latter wouldnt necessarily known until the mod note however. To be more precise, mafia would also know if the Head whacker or post restricter was mafia too.

Now Strikewolf knows too much as shown by his changing story as he pretends to not know what is going on with Mitch, and manages to "forget" the modnote. In itself this wouldnt prove anything about alignment.

However, lets add this from Mars:

So if mitch can't post, does that mean that he gets a free pass for D1? I'm not really buying it. Also, TFO says he's only partially hindered, so he should be able to post something.

Now at the time it didnt seem that odd, but lets be clear here, this was BEFORE the modnote. The incorrect assumption being made at the time was that it was Madmitch who was suffering from "partial" hinderance. Its a pretty big leap of logic to decide that Mitch cannot post at all.

And we have Dakky too before the modnote:

agree, wonder where is madmitch... he usually makes an OMGUS on me after I joke vote him...

followed up by his claims that he KNEW that Mitch had been post restricted. What previously appeared to be an innocent post in hindsight looks quite different. Now its true that Strike is throwing FOS on Dakky at the moment. But lets be clear here, there is no harm of Dakky being lynched today, some murmurings against him, but not enough to go to lynch as no one is standing up to lead it.

So Vote Strikewolf

Deadline is on Tuesday at 12pm EST I believe.

ps:

I do not consider my virus read as scummy in any way, and i still stand by it.

Cool story bro. Fancy playing the game now you've got that confession of your chest?

[Iron Butterfly]

Strong post. It also makes sense why you came out against me right away when I made my opinion on the night scene. I wish you would have said something earlier in the day to give us more time but it also worked to gather more ammo. I was puzzled by the "knock out" but your post brings it together and makes perfect sense.

vote strikewolf

[strike wolf]

Does your price make you my lynched Wing? Because it seems to be all you ever talk about. Your post before this one wasn't even worth addressing. This one skims half of my post and edits half of the rest. I have forgotten nothing about the mod note. I was merely trying to work out why Mitch had not posted yet and the only thing that came to mind was that he couldn't say anything excepto maybe to vote.

[Iron Butterfly]

"Does your price make you my lynched.?"

Care to explain. We have till Tuesday.

[Iron Butterfly]

One other thing about this game and Wings Post...being that alignments and roles were given separate random roles claiming is useless I guess. Several people have brought this up but sometimes I am slow to seethe obvious. I plan to re read. I do suspect that I was right about the "partial hindrance". Wing can not share it with us, I assume he would if he could, but there are few things that can be partially hindered. He can vote. I do not see how a night or day action can be partially hindered. It either works or does not. That leaves posting.

[strike wolf]

Does your pr make you my lyncher. Sorry autocorrect.

To address one thing. Wing keeps relating my play to my accusations of Streaker. I find this comparison unfair. For one thing I am much more handsome than Streaker. 2. I have not randomly town read anyone without explanation. 3. Another part of my argument was that streaker's contribution rested in a large part in attacking his accusets. I may have acted sarcastic towards Wing but I have not attacked him. 4. As far as game mechanics talk. The only game mechanics talk I have done was to disagree with others on their gsme mechanics where I found it relevant andetails arguably with my Mad Mitch vote which I explained.

[Endgame422]

Endgame why would you not fully claim considering, as Strike pointed out, you pretty much soft claimed AND gave a description of your role to me?

Because the devil is in the details.
Scum doesnt know anything that matters to them from my softclaim.
Streaker standing by his read there seems more townish to me but i just cant imagine streakers ego is so bloated that he thinks he can be 99percent of anyones alignment off of a single D1 post. That kind of confidence usually onlys comes from a PM from the mod.
As to wings explanation for the mitch scenario it makes more sense then anything ive heard so far and ive honestly been wondering why wing wasn't making more noise like he typically does D1 but i was just figuring he was someone important,restriction makes perfect sense though and combined with his theory on mitch/night scene i am buying that he's the "hindered" one.
Once again i agree with wings analysis that strikes posts are super-long for the relatively small amount of content in them but i frankly think giant posts are kind of his MO so im not sure that reflects on his alignment.

[Iron Butterfly]

Endgame why would you not fully claim considering, as Strike pointed out, you pretty much soft claimed AND gave a description of your role to me?

Because the devil is in the details.
Scum doesnt know anything that matters to them from my softclaim.
Streaker standing by his read there seems more townish to me but i just cant imagine streakers ego is so bloated that he thinks he can be 99percent of anyones alignment off of a single D1 post. That kind of confidence usually onlys comes from a PM from the mod.
As to wings explanation for the mitch scenario it makes more sense then anything ive heard so far and ive honestly been wondering why wing wasn't making more noise like he typically does D1 but i was just figuring he was someone important,restriction makes perfect sense though and combined with his theory on mitch/night scene i am buying that he's the "hindered" one.
Once again i agree with wings analysis that strikes posts are super-long for the relatively small amount of content in them but i frankly think giant posts are kind of his MO so im not sure that reflects on his alignment.

I disagree strongly on Strikes MO...if anything his long posts just remind me of how townie he sounded in another game while stroking my townie ego. My radar and spidery sense are tingling harder now with Strike. Why? He is either mafia or he is not. Ones role may not effect alignment but how one plays surely will. Wing did more then enough to point out Strikes play.

I find it hard to believe that Wing suddenly pulled this story out of his arse. He brings clarity to a couple of situations that have kept Town guessing and in fact we have been so focused on on the PR we overlooked the knockout. If Wing were mafia why mess with a good thing?

So Wing makes a very nice day one case against Strike, brings clarity to the PR and knockout of Mitch. I agree and vote with him. How does Strike respond? His cutie joke about being more handsome then Streaker. It's like he's joking to prove how town he really is. How could someone be so cool and carefree if they were mafia discovered?

Strike sole defense really is to accuse Wing of perhaps being a lyncher because his last 2 posts have focused on Strikes long posts like he has been tunneling on him. The fact is Strike gave himself more then enough rope to hang himself and Wing made a great case. I must say it is one of the better day ones I have seen in a very long time.

OK I am repeating myselfI see.

We need others to step up and get off their ass and contribute. We have more then enough information with all things for a solid day one lynch. We need peoples input.

[strike wolf]

I am being antagonistic on purpose. The fact is that Wing changed a lot of what I said out of context and his point that I am accusing Streaker of things I did, is not fully true. Me and Streaker voted Mitch true but I have already said that I voted mitch in part to see who followed my lead.

I make long posts in pretty much every game. That's not a legitimate reason to vote me. Dakky being safe because he is not going to be lynched today is a bad strategy. I would be pressured to follow up tomorrow. It doesn't make sense for me as scum to put pressure on a scum buddy because he is not going to be lynched that day.

vote Endgame Day end is approaching and lynching him is the best option based on whour he is connected to and everything.

[Iron Butterfly]

Does your price make you my lynched Wing? Because it seems to be all you ever talk about. Your post before this one wasn't even worth addressing. This one skims half of my post and edits half of the rest. I have forgotten nothing about the mod note. I was merely trying to work out why Mitch had not posted yet and the only thing that came to mind was that he couldn't say anything excepto maybe to vote.

He has pnly mentioned you in two posts.... granted they were long ones.

[strike wolf]

Since confirming Wing has posted 7 times. 2 of those were joke votes and at least 3 were directed at me.

[strike wolf]

Either way, this is besides the point. Even with my sarcasm, I have answered most of the points against me. Does anyone actually want to address those?

[rishaed]

Endgame422 (5) - StrikeWolf, Streaker, aage, Tim Woodbury, bosaardbeitje
StrikeWolf (2) - WingCmdr G, IronButterfly
Streaker (2) - Endgame422, Ptlowe
Ptlowe (1) - dakky21
aage (1) - Marashu

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is the 18th.

[Iron Butterfly]

I am being antagonistic on purpose. The fact is that Wing changed a lot of what I said out of context and his point that I am accusing Streaker of things I did, is not fully true. Me and Streaker voted Mitch true but I have already said that I voted mitch in part to see who followed my lead.

I make long posts in pretty much every game. That's not a legitimate reason to vote me. Dakky being safe because he is not going to be lynched today is a bad strategy. I would be pressured to follow up tomorrow. It doesn't make sense for me as scum to put pressure on a scum buddy because he is not going to be lynched that day.

vote Endgame Day end is approaching and lynching him is the best option based on whour he is connected to and everything.

You like to make long posts, so why not show how he has taken your words out of context? Give us specific examples.

[strike wolf]

Ah good one, Strike made another long post, I'll just unvote then!

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Strikewolf on Streaker:

You did little more than say you agreed with IB before voting Endgame. I don't really count those as serious content posts.

I said in post and more in previous posts about Streaker. I brought up his attack on Marashu as being somewhat OMGus and his Virus town thing which he still has not explained. WIng only takes this part out an makes the case look weaker and makes my statement look more like I am doing what Streaker was doing.

Strikewolf on Endgame:

Endgame-IB summed up initial reasons fairly nicely.

Again yes I agreed with IB's case. Other than some game mechanics talk outside of that there isn't really much to say on Endgame. I also said that his excuse was possibly real. I don't have that much unique to talk about him but I have been talking and pushing it.

And lets look at his scum reads so far:

Brief list of those I think could be scum:

1. Streaker-Playing the game very similar to myself (Strikewolf) so must be scum.

2. Endgame-IB is the most town player and so I must game town cred for agreeing with him.

3. Dakky-Ditto as case 2

You forget that I did actually bring up Dakky in my first long post that you called fluff for being one of the early ones on Madmitch. Sure it was prompted by IB's case but I did the research to find it. So yes, he changed my words and took things out of context.

Strike on Madmitch in chronological order:

unvote vote Mitch to see if we can get him to say something.

Either way, there's no point in keeping the pressure on Madmitch. The mod's note makes it clear that something is indeed going on with him.

People who need to speak up.

1. Madmitch-unless he is completely blocked from posting we still do need to hear something from him today.

And this is where it gets really interesting. Madmitch is not suffering from a post restriction. How do I know this you ask? Because I am.

The townie woke up and felt a strange pull in his conscious, realizing his ability to speak is being partially hindered.

The details of my restriction are unimportant, only myself and the player who targetted me know this.

So what is going on with Mitch you ask?

he got hit over the head and blacked out

There is a clear difference here, Mitch is not partially hindered, he is completely hindered. Four people may be aware of this. Myself, Mitch, the player who targetted Mitch and possibly the player who targeted me. The latter wouldnt necessarily known until the mod note however. To be more precise, mafia would also know if the Head whacker or post restricter was mafia too.

Now Strikewolf knows too much as shown by his changing story as he pretends to not know what is going on with Mitch, and manages to "forget" the modnote. In itself this wouldnt prove anything about alignment.

I addressed this. I was operating under the theory that there may indeed be other reasons why Madmitch hadn't spoken up. The PR being on someone else wasn't really one of them but I had considered that he may only be allowed to vote or something similar to that. Beyond that, I have said more about my vote on Madmitch.

However, lets add this from Mars:

So if mitch can't post, does that mean that he gets a free pass for D1? I'm not really buying it. Also, TFO says he's only partially hindered, so he should be able to post something.

Now at the time it didnt seem that odd, but lets be clear here, this was BEFORE the modnote. The incorrect assumption being made at the time was that it was Madmitch who was suffering from "partial" hinderance. Its a pretty big leap of logic to decide that Mitch cannot post at all.

And we have Dakky too before the modnote:

agree, wonder where is madmitch... he usually makes an OMGUS on me after I joke vote him...

followed up by his claims that he KNEW that Mitch had been post restricted. What previously appeared to be an innocent post in hindsight looks quite different. Now its true that Strike is throwing FOS on Dakky at the moment. But lets be clear here, there is no harm of Dakky being lynched today, some murmurings against him, but not enough to go to lynch as no one is standing up to lead it.

Again this would be bad play on my part. The only outlet I would have for backing off Dakky would potentially be if Endgame is town and I wouldn't even consider that fully likely. Dakky has defended Endgame without giving much in the realm of actually voicing that he thinks Endgame is town. He could be a scumbuddy to Endgame or he could be scum defending town to look scum tomorrow. It's suspicious either way. Dakky looks slightly more town if Endgame isn't scum but that is why I said that he needs to do more than state that Endgame isn't scum. He needs to come forward with why he thinks it might have been a bad lynch.

So Vote Strikewolf

Deadline is on Tuesday at 12pm EST I believe.

ps:

I do not consider my virus read as scummy in any way, and i still stand by it.

Cool story bro. Fancy playing the game now you've got that confession of your chest?

[Marashu]

So basically the only reason was that I backed off Bosaard too easily. If you go back to page 6 you'll find that the disagreement was turning into a debate on semantics. My point was made, no need to reword it ad infinitum. I may also have let Bos off the hook because I know she is new.

Still, most of your reasons are based on bosaard's actions, not mine. Now that I've voted Endgame you think I'm suddenly the scummiest of the bunch, since you voted me. Care to explain that?

For the record, I still think you're mafia, but I'll say this now so it's here later. You're argument in the posts where you voted end was basically that his reasoning was flawed, and therefore being wrong = being mafia. On top of that, you appear to be concerned about the rate at which the train is building, then get him to L-2. Up until that point, you had not mentioned anything about End, and to me it looked like, and still does look like, bandwagoning moreso than applying pressure. Further, you've leapt on this case, but other than that, you've only really been talking about NA's, Mitch's disappearance, and End. Who would End's partners be?

Unvote since there's very little likelihood of aage being lynched by deadline.

Vote Strikewolf - Wing presented a far better case than I could hope to, and my earlier read still stands. Plus, I find it interesting that if your push on mitch was to see who jumped, and only Streaker jumped (as Tim's vote on mitch was placed before yours), why you didn't vote for Streaker in addition to any of your long cases on him.

[bosaardbeitje]

Ah, this is certainly a nice twist. Wing's post made me do a re-read, since some of Strike's posts had indeed been edited and I wanted to see exactly who wrote what, when and how. The case makes sense and explains a lot about the night scene. I cannot see any reason why Wing would fabricate this, since we were all speculating and chances of a mislynch would be huge.

I also couldn't help but notice that Strike reads Tim as town and finds it necessary to point out that he's newish and defended me after the OMGUS vote from End, because I am new. Trying to get on the good side of new players?

Since confirming Wing has posted 7 times. 2 of those were joke votes and at least 3 were directed at me.

You certainly keep good track of the amount of times that Wing has posted. Looks to me as if you are trying to sow confusion and grasping at straws by making it look as if Wing is lying and is not post restricted. Yet, I don't see any holes in his logic, so...

unvote vote Strike Wolf

[dakky21]

If I had to choose between endgame and Strike, I'd go for Strike rather than end.
Strike is getting quite defensive last few posts, which can be common for mafia, and as it is always better to have a lynch than a no lynch D1, I will

unvote ptlowe (who is still my first choice due to his joke vote about mitch being a drug lord)

vote Strike Wolf

[strike wolf]

I stand by my play this game. Perhaps I played it a bit close to the chest and drew my attention but I always planned on drawing attention. Wing keeps saying that I have not been saying anything but he has supported that notion while glossing over mUch of what I have said. I push Streaker based on game mechanics talk, lack of activity outside of defending himself (under minimal pressure), Wing says I am challending him for doing the same things I am doing. My attack on Endgame. I brought up Game mechanics talk before the case really got rolling, came back agreed with IB's case and have pressed a few of the points myself mostly on the assumption that he was making about the PR enforcer having to be mafia and I pointed out that Endgame's case on Marashu being possibly attacking a new player as an easy case. Wing's interpretation: I'm just following IB. He also ignores that I pointed out Dakky when no one was really talking about him on a similar point to one that Wing later makes himself:
And we have Dakky too before the modnote:

agree, wonder where is madmitch... he usually makes an OMGUS on me after I joke vote him...

followed up by his claims that he KNEW that Mitch had been post restricted. What previously appeared to be an innocent post in hindsight looks quite different.[/quote]

BIG FoS to those wondering where Mitch is after he confirmed yet before actual scene was posted.

I agree with you.

As to those who were quick on the Madmitch timing:

unvote vote anyone who is not posting just waiting for someone to come forward with information from last night

agree, wonder where is madmitch... he usually makes an OMGUS against me after I joke vote him*

*accidentally erased. May be slightly different than what was actually said.

I am sure though that Wing will point this out as me following IB's lead. He might even call what I am doing right now as mostly fluff because I am repeating an earlier defense but that is because half the people voting me have ignored my defense and just gone back to agreeing with Wing's statements.

As far as why did I never vote Streaker? I have kept pressure on Streaker all game but he is not the only one I think is potential scum. I have felt that Endgame was likely scum as well and by the time I really had a chance to make a post again, the bandwagon was on him. Actually voting Streaker at that point would have been a distraction from a case that I thought was equally worthwhile to pursue.

As far as not answering points and being carefree. Despite sarcasm, I do believe I went on to address multiple points against me both before and after IB made that comment. As far as being carefree, well mafia is a game and:

Some scum take a beautiful town and hide him away from the rest of the world.
I wanna be the town who walks in the sun cause strike just wants to have fun.
Oh Strike just so wants to have fun.

That's all I really want is some fun.
When the killers night is done
Oh Strike just wants to have fun.

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Endgame also has another logical error by saying that scum don't know what he is talking about. If he is really town than scum can simply look up the last game that IB and end played together to become informed. Anyone could if they have the motivation.

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Now assuming Wing is telling the truth about what he has said (I have no reason to doubt this unless getting me out of the way is important enough to him that he would be willing to be lynched the next day when I turn up town). That does change aspects of the Endgame case.

1. If both the PR enforcer and Endgame are scum. He should know who was targeted and with what (assuming the PR is not randomly assigned by the mod). In that case, he would be less likely to make the logical error as scum and know what's going on.ble. It is possible that Endgame did not know the details of the PR and thought that Mitch somehow got targeted instead of Wing last night

2. If the PR enforcer is town than Endgame would be more likely to make this error regardless of alignment.

3. If the PR enforcer was scum but Endgame wasn't he would be more likely to make this logical mistake.

Either way, I don't see a situation where the PR ENFORCER, the talk blocker (who attacked Madmitch) and Endgame are all mafia or even aligned as probable..

Blargh. Wanted to,say more. Ran out of time.

[strike wolf]

If I had to choose between endgame and Strike, I'd go for Strike rather than end.
Strike is getting quite defensive last few posts, which can be common for mafia, and as it is always better to have a lynch than a no lynch D1, I will

unvote ptlowe (who is still my first choice due to his joke vote about mitch being a drug lord)

vote Strike Wolf

I don't think you've ever explained why you think Endgame is town oh scummy one.

[dakky21]

If I had to choose between endgame and Strike, I'd go for Strike rather than end.
Strike is getting quite defensive last few posts, which can be common for mafia, and as it is always better to have a lynch than a no lynch D1, I will

unvote ptlowe (who is still my first choice due to his joke vote about mitch being a drug lord)

vote Strike Wolf

I don't think you've ever explained why you think Endgame is town oh scummy one.

Because he got lot of votes on himself and didn't want to claim to prevent mafia knowing which role he has.

Anyway, don't worry Strike, 1h30mins till the deadline... you won't get lynched.

[strike wolf]

I really should go but I'll make this brief. In case I am lynched before I get back:

1. Aage-effectively neutral. If I had to pick maybe a very slight town read as he seems to be playing to his MO from what little I have seen of him.

2. Streaker-leaning scum. Not going to rehash the details.

3. Dakky-at this point I am not sure I don't consider him more likely scum than Streaker and Endgame. He has seemed to blindly town read Endgame.

4. Hotshot-TALK!

5. Madmitch-hopefully he talks tomorrow.

6. Endgame-Leaning scum.

7. Marashu-neutral. He has said somethings I've liked but some I havent. Appears new.

8. Tim-leaning town.

9. IB-slight town lean.

10. Wing-misguided town.

11. Virus-neutral. Want to look back or hear more from.

12. Bosaa-slight scum read. He could be new but seems to be a bit of a wagon hopper right now.

13. Me-Super townie. You're gonna miss me when I'm gone.

14. Ptlowe-Neutral. Maybe slight scum. Did he disappear or have his posts just had that little of an effect on me?

Blargh. So much to say. So much to say. So much to say.

[Marashu]

Because he got lot of votes on himself and didn't want to claim to prevent mafia knowing which role he has.

Anyway, don't worry Strike, 1h30mins till the deadline... you won't get lynched.

Perhaps, but I think that's enough time to ask for an extension - I was just reading the rules about what happens if we don't have enough votes at deadline, and we can get an extension if 3 people request it. More likely to get 3 people active asking for time so that the weekday crowd can weigh in, than it is for either wagon to get the remaining votes they need by deadline.

Requesting extension - who wants to second and third this?