Lord of the Rings mafia [Town wins]

[Minister Masket]

Needs better explaining how? The entire case against me is that my play has been too consistant. Being consistant is not a scumtell.

Actually I think it is. Townies don't know who are scum so are liable to change their opinions and even their methods. Where as scum will be trying hard not to appear scummy and so they will attempt to play the way they feel townies would play and wont deviate from this, giving you consistancy.

Ah, that explains the consistancy in you speaking out against me.
Keep digging....

[pmchugh]

Either that or you are attempting to deliberately slow down the game, and the second reason would only make sense for scum

Seriously now, you have to stop turning everything I do into a "scumtell", especially when it clearly isn't.
Even if I were deliberatly slowing the game down - which I'm not - that allows more time for discussion, and discussion is one the biggest weapons at the town's disposal.

I'll tell you what's a scumtell here, relentlessly attacking one player and hoping other players form a bandwagon.
FOS pmchugh
Do it again, and I'll turn it into a vote.

haha "one player". At this moment I am going after two, and before I was gonig after others and contrary to your belief it ain't to form bandwaggons.

Slowing down the game as in reducing useful conversation, you certainly aren't being constructive or trying to get the game going, except a nice wee OMGUS FOS and threat.

keep digging...

How about you start, this is as you so kindly pointed out is day 1 and digging is better than pointless posts that are virtually irrelevant to the game.

[Minister Masket]

You are a strange person pmchugh.

Either that or you are attempting to deliberately slow down the game, and the second reason would only make sense for scum

Seriously now, you have to stop turning everything I do into a "scumtell", especially when it clearly isn't.
Even if I were deliberatly slowing the game down - which I'm not - that allows more time for discussion, and discussion is one the biggest weapons at the town's disposal.

I'll tell you what's a scumtell here, relentlessly attacking one player and hoping other players form a bandwagon.
FOS pmchugh
Do it again, and I'll turn it into a vote.

haha "one player". At this moment I am going after two, and before I was gonig after others and contrary to your belief it ain't to form bandwaggons.

Oh, so you're just doing it for a larf then.
Oh...and BTW, even attacking one player is acceptable for a townie. More than one though, and that's certainly suspicious.

Slowing down the game as in reducing useful conversation, you certainly aren't being constructive or trying to get the game going, except a nice wee OMGUS FOS and threat.

Well that's basically what you've been doing. At least my logic isn't totally flawed.

keep digging...

How about you start, this is as you so kindly pointed out is day 1 and digging is better than pointless posts that are virtually irrelevant to the game.

I was referring to the hole you're now standing in, and nice work digging a few extra feet there.

[Minister Masket]

One last thing:
Vote pmchugh

[spiesr]

I'll tell you what's a scumtell here, relentlessly attacking one player and hoping other players form a bandwagon.

haha "one player". At this moment I am going after two, and before I was gonig after others and contrary to your belief it ain't to form bandwaggons.

The way I interpreted MM's statement was that you go after a player and try to get others to join you. You have done this to many players this game. I am not sure that this is much of a scum tell...

[pmchugh]

Exactly my frigging points.

I was looking for reactions and sure as hell I have got more than any other player in this game. How is attacking a player scummy? It is not for if no-one attacked each other hell we would be stuck talking about how the mod could word the rules better

Slowing down the game as in reducing useful conversation, you certainly aren't being constructive or trying to get the game going, except a nice wee OMGUS FOS and threat.

Well that's basically what you've been doing. At least my logic isn't totally flawed.

Where have I OMGUS'd in fact quite the opposite, I said I didn't suspect suspect101 and I voted for clive I have been constructive throughout and contributed in every major conversation.

I was referring to the hole you're now standing in, and nice work digging a few extra feet there.

Hole? I see one OMGUS vote and that's it.

[Minister Masket]

Hole? I see one OMGUS vote and that's it.

Er..no.
Your vote's on Clive.

[pmchugh]

Hole? I see one OMGUS vote and that's it.

Er..no.
Your vote's on Clive.

I meant your OMGUS vote on me, I am in no hole as I only have one OMGUS vote on me.

[karelpietertje]

sorry I have been a little busy.
can maybe someone obiectively explain what the case again Clive is (he has 4 votes!)

[Minister Masket]

That's funny, because I was under the impression that an OMGUS vote is when you vote someone after they vote you.

[pmchugh]

That's funny, because I was under the impression that an OMGUS vote is when you vote someone after they vote you.

You don't have to acutally vote to recieve an OMGUS vote in reply. I put in a post saying how your play was scummy. You then turn round and vote for me when you had no previous problems with me. In my books thats OMGUS.

Oh and unvote clive the case was fairly flimsy.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Can someone please outline what constitutes scummy behavior? It seems like every time someone in this game does something scummy, it is just brushed under the carpet once another person does something slightly scummy. Votes never seem to stay on one person simply because we keep forgiving scummy behavior.

At this rate, we are gonna reach the day time limit without coming to a lynch. In spite of this though, I do not want to shorten the day, because I think it would be unfair to the one person who gets lynched despite the fact that a majority vote was never reached. I say we stop forgiving the scum and start putting out more votes for the ones who act even the slightest bit scummy. With it being day 1 and with there being so many people to choose from, I don't think we will find any definitive scumtells anyway.

Also, has anyone else noticed that sam levi still has hardly posted, even after he admitted to 'forgetting' about the game?

[william18]

Can someone please outline what constitutes scummy behavior?

Scummy behavior i basically anything that isn't good for the town.

[Clive]

No, it's something that makes someone more likely to be scum.

[sam_levi_11]

Also, has anyone else noticed that sam levi still has hardly posted, even after he admitted to 'forgetting' about the game?

I havent forgotten, but i cant post at weekends often as im busy then. Even so, i find this bangwagon on clive rather baseless. As he said, it based on that he is cosistant. Pmc then said this was a scum tell, which it isnt. He seems determined to get clive lynched. fos pmc

[karelpietertje]

Also, has anyone else noticed that sam levi still has hardly posted, even after he admitted to 'forgetting' about the game?

I havent forgotten, but i cant post at weekends often as im busy then. Even so, i find this bangwagon on clive rather baseless. As he said, it based on that he is cosistant. Pmc then said this was a scum tell, which it isnt. He seems determined to get clive lynched. fos pmc

fos on him indeed!
let's not forget that he was the one who started with immediately voting on somebody... I still can't see why a townie would do that.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Can someone please outline what constitutes scummy behavior?

Scummy behavior i basically anything that isn't good for the town.

Sorry, that was meant to be a rhetorical question. I understand what scummy behavior is, I was just saying it because people in this game seem to forget about one person's scummy actions just because another person starts acting scummy instead and that is why we can't arrive at a lynch.

[pmchugh]

Oh and unvote clive the case was fairly flimsy.

He seems determined to get clive lynched. fos pmc

fos on him indeed!
let's not forget that he was the one who started with immediately voting on somebody... I still can't see why a townie would do that.

If by that you are reffering to my first post in the game then everyone random votes at the start of every game (unless your drench) it's neither scummy nor townie, it's just the way things are done. The idea behind it is that it starts discussion.

[Minister Masket]

Can someone please outline what constitutes scummy behavior?

Scummy behavior i basically anything that isn't good for the town.

Sorry, that was meant to be a rhetorical question. I understand what scummy behavior is, I was just saying it because people in this game seem to forget about one person's scummy actions just because another person starts acting scummy instead and that is why we can't arrive at a lynch.

You're telling me sir.

[Falkomagno]

I don't buy that attemp to make appear the day 1 lynch as bad thing. This war with many uninformed people against few well informed people, make the information from lynchs essential to town.

I saw a Minister Masket trying to underestimate that fact, with weaker reasons than suspect.

Vote minister Masket

[spiesr]

Can someone please outline what constitutes scummy behavior? It seems like every time someone in this game does something scummy, it is just brushed under the carpet once another person does something slightly scummy. Votes never seem to stay on one person simply because we keep forgiving scummy behavior.

So, which person with scummy behavior do you choose?

[Minister Masket]

I don't buy that attemp to make appear the day 1 lynch as bad thing. This war with many uninformed people against few well informed people, make the information from lynchs essential to town.

I saw a Minister Masket trying to underestimate that fact, with weaker reasons than suspect.

Vote minister Masket

SKIMMAR!

If you can find something, that's great, and it can happen. In one of my games the Mafia Godfather was lynched on Day 1, so I'm all for a lynch. It's just rare.

[pmchugh]

did you not read my reason for no lynch?

I read your reason for no lynch. No lynch is almost never good for the town, because if we no lynch, we'll just be in the same situation tomorrow, while a lynch, even a townie lynch, will let us see who went after who, who defended who, and who lurked, and we can use that information on future days to make a more informed lynch.

Yes, but you are forgetting it can swing entirely the other way. Let's say the Day 1 lynch is an unlucky townie. The majority on the bandwagon will also be townies, and chances are they will be future targets for the next lynches. Add in the night kills, and at Day 3 you're at least 5 townies down.
That's a worst case scenario though.

Vote Over-rule Rule 6
As I put in my rules - "a No Lynch is boring and hardly happens anyway" - but it's nice to have the option there.

So what you are saynig is that you want to allow no lynches, but you don't want us to no lynch? And plus your enitre first paragraph is entirely in favour of a no lynch and nothing you can say can change that.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Can someone please outline what constitutes scummy behavior? It seems like every time someone in this game does something scummy, it is just brushed under the carpet once another person does something slightly scummy. Votes never seem to stay on one person simply because we keep forgiving scummy behavior.

So, which person with scummy behavior do you choose?

Personally, I think clive's behavior has been the scummiest so far. Right now he has quite a few votes on him, which I agree with. I made my original post after I saw PMC remove his vote because I didn't think clive's case was settled and I thought others would be like PMC and start unvoting in favor of MM who pmc was arguing with. To me clive shouldn't be off the hook yet.

And just now, I have just reread most of the thread and am even more convinced that PMC and Clive are scum. I shall present the evidence as follows:

I got a better one for ya:

Anyone notice how all of Clive's votes (except for the first random) have been for people on the PMC bandwagon. Not to mention that all in his posts all he does is defend PMC and not looking for any other scum or reasons except for those on the PMC bandwagon? Kinda odd that he is not looking anywhere else and just jumping on people who voted for PMC, who was acting scummy.

...

This guy has posted nothing except for posts defending pmc and trying to make anyone voting for him look scummy. He either has a man crush on PMC or knows something we do not.

I agree with suspect's analysis here (you can reread the whole thing at the top of page 12). Clive's voting history is very suspicious. He was constantly defending PMC. Plus, right afterwards clive OMGUS votes on suspect.

What's more interesting though is how PMC initially defends clive, saying that as long as clive justifies himself he can vote for whoever he wants:

Fair enough point suspect if you can say his reasons are flimsy, if he has justified reasons then he can agree with whoever he wants.

However, later on he decides to ally with the rest of us and place his vote on clive as well. I believe he added the part about his "lose-lose" situation because he wants us all to think he is innocent:

Clive does seem to be a little suspicious to me as well tbh but I am reluctant to vote for him as it is kind of lose-lose for me. If he is town then we lost a townie if he is scum then suspect will hunt me again tomorrow. Oh well I have to vote for who I think is most suspicious and at this moment it is clive. unvote vote clive

PMC continues distance himself from clive by claiming clive's consistency in the game as scummy (which clive has yet to reply to):

Needs better explaining how? The entire case against me is that my play has been too consistant. Being consistant is not a scumtell.

Actually I think it is. Townies don't know who are scum so are liable to change their opinions and even their methods. Where as scum will be trying hard not to appear scummy and so they will attempt to play the way they feel townies would play and wont deviate from this, giving you consistancy.

However later on, PMC unvoted, claiming that the case was flimsy. I think PMC felt he had appropriately distanced himself from clive and could now try to save his scum buddy by unvoting. Surely if there are four other people voting for him, the case cant be that flimsy.

and for these reasons: vote clive
Fos: PMC

[Suspect101]

I agree and if Clive is scum, I believe that PMC is as well.