[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[Iron Butterfly]

used glasses on IB, blood was found on his hands
with rishs jail maybe that's the reason there was no kill N3

Your glasses are wrong or you are scum OR Risaed is lying

If I was jailed by Rishead I should get a null read/block NOR could I kill.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

So if we lynch deg and he turns up town, what do we do?

He wont

[Iron Butterfly]

Once agin an invention called into question.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

used glasses on IB, blood was found on his hands
with rishs jail maybe that's the reason there was no kill N3

Your glasses are wrong or you are scum OR Risaed is lying

If I was jailed by Rishead I should get a null read/block NOR could I kill.

Not arguing the conclusion? Just the method.

Day check baby!

So if investigations are called into question should one of Deg, Rish or I be lynched today, as obviously we cant trust that one either.

[degaston]

used glasses on IB, blood was found on his hands
with rishs jail maybe that's the reason there was no kill N3

Your glasses are wrong or you are scum OR Risaed is lying

If I was jailed by Rishead I should get a null read/block NOR could I kill.

Benga used his glasses during the day, so being jailed at night did not affect them. But I still stand by my read that the glasses flipped the result, and you have not killed anyone.

[Ragian]

used glasses on IB, blood was found on his hands
with rishs jail maybe that's the reason there was no kill N3

Your glasses are wrong or you are scum OR Risaed is lying

If I was jailed by Rishead I should get a null read/block NOR could I kill.

Well, isn't it just that the result is inverted? Or might be...

So if we lynch deg and he turns up town, what do we do?

He wont

Great. But what if he does? What should we do?

Once agin an invention called into question.

Without honing my own torpedo, I have no reason to believe that my inventions are flawed.
- Gun seemingly worked as designed.
- Personality module seemingly worked as designed.
- Alignment definer can be checked.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I actually think the glasses might be telling the truth being that dakky took over this game and without previous experience being a mod could very well have said what I asked it to do. If it had been "flip flopped" then every one else in the town should be shown with the "blood" residue instead of just IB> vote IB

[degaston]

So if we lynch deg and he turns up town, what do we do?

He wont

Says the guy who lynches townies for following his instructions.

[Ragian]

Humm. Perhaps I'm clinging onto the word "seemingly" there. Can't really check the first two. Mitch was jailed and benga was bulletproof. Mitch not doing anything doesn't prove my invention and benga not dying doesn't prove my invention.

Let's lynch people!

[Ragian]

I actually think the glasses might be telling the truth being that dakky took over this game and without previous experience being a mod could very well have said what I asked it to do. If it had been "flip flopped" then every one else in the town should be shown with the "blood" residue instead of just IB> vote IB

Well, if it's the insane thing that deg mentioned, IB, if guilty, would come up without blood on his hans and, if innocent, would come up with blood on his hands. Isn't that how the flip works? I don't get the "everyone would have blood on them" bit...?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Is there a scenario in which one of IB and Rish isnt lying? I cant think of one.

[degaston]

I actually think the glasses might be telling the truth being that dakky took over this game and without previous experience being a mod could very well have said what I asked it to do. If it had been "flip flopped" then every one else in the town should be shown with the "blood" residue instead of just IB> vote IB

Why would you think that Benga would get results for everyone, after he said that he "used the glasses on IB"?
If Streaker set up your role as making inventions that don't work, why would dakky change that?
It's ridiculous to think that flip-flopping this invention can only mean that it would reveal the names of everyone who had killed someone. And to use that as your basis for voting for IB? Very scummy.

[Iron Butterfly]

used glasses on IB, blood was found on his hands
with rishs jail maybe that's the reason there was no kill N3

Your glasses are wrong or you are scum OR Risaed is lying

If I was jailed by Rishead I should get a null read/block NOR could I kill.

Benga used his glasses during the day, so being jailed at night did not affect them. But I still stand by my read that the glasses flipped the result, and you have not killed anyone.

If I am jailed at night I could not kill nor be investigated.

With a day investigation it would still be a neg result as I could not go anywhere.

So in this game cop checks and items can not be trusted at face value.

It is also interesting to note that the glasses were revealed AFTER Rish said he jailed me.

[degaston]

Is there a scenario in which one of IB and Rish isnt lying? I cant think of one.

What are you talking about?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Is there a scenario in which one of IB and Rish isnt lying? I cant think of one.

What are you talking about?

No nightkill because Rish jailed the mafia killer IB.

No nightkill because Rish is a redirector and I didnt take a shot.

Only two scenarios I see. 97% chance of the former, backed up by the glasses. 3% chance of the latter as mafia surely have a factional kill.

IB you were seen as town N2, so may well have been elected as the mafia factional killer then, thus having blood on your hands. You cant claim my defense as there are two nights were nobody is claiming to have jailed you. You could very easily have blood on your hands.

[Iron Butterfly]

I actually think the glasses might be telling the truth being that dakky took over this game and without previous experience being a mod could very well have said what I asked it to do. If it had been "flip flopped" then every one else in the town should be shown with the "blood" residue instead of just IB> vote IB

Your really so positive after the smashing success of your 8 ball?

So you are now appearing to blame the mods without seeming to do so. If it flip flopped? So you read it as everyone should get a reading and not an opposite reading?

There was a problem with your sweater as well. I hate to say this but I think Alladin made a theory on your sweater gifting logic.

[madmitch]

When was I jailed ? still free and crazy waiting to vote .

[Iron Butterfly]

Is there a scenario in which one of IB and Rish isnt lying? I cant think of one.

What are you talking about?

No nightkill because Rish jailed the mafia killer IB.

No nightkill because Rish is a redirector and I didnt take a shot.

Only two scenarios I see. 97% chance of the former, backed up by the glasses. 3% chance of the latter as mafia surely have a factional kill.

IB you were seen as town N2, so may well have been elected as the mafia factional killer then, thus having blood on your hands. You cant claim my defense as there are two nights were nobody is claiming to have jailed you. You could very easily have blood on your hands.

So besides getting HS lynched what have I done scummy besides WIFOM theory 101? You are also one of the three selected as scum so I think you are the last person to be making such a case against me.

Only 2 scenarios?? Really

Lets cut the BS.

VOTE Wing

[degaston]

If I am jailed at night I could not kill nor be investigated.

With a day investigation it would still be a neg result as I could not go anywhere.

So in this game cop checks and items can not be trusted at face value.

It is also interesting to note that the glasses were revealed AFTER Rish said he jailed me.

IB, I'm kind of on your side at this point, but I don't think you need any argument other than "LSU's inventions have never worked properly."

Benga reported:

it said he will have blood on hands if he made a kill during any night from the start of game, not just N3 (from the start of the game)

and inventions can be used during the day, so it doesn't really matter what happened last night.

[Ragian]

I'm finding myself agreeing more and more with deg.

I can't recall if I made this announcement before, but I'm making it again. I'm going away on a skiing trip from Saturday 13 - Saturday 20. If I have internet, I'll try to get online to take turns and peep in, but if I meet five pages every day, I'm not sure I can read it all.

I'll most likely get my vote for today in before leaving Saturday morning GMT+1.

[degaston]

Is there a scenario in which one of IB and Rish isnt lying? I cant think of one.

What are you talking about?

No nightkill because Rish jailed the mafia killer IB.

No nightkill because Rish is a redirector and I didnt take a shot.

Only two scenarios I see. 97% chance of the former, backed up by the glasses. 3% chance of the latter as mafia surely have a factional kill.

IB you were seen as town N2, so may well have been elected as the mafia factional killer then, thus having blood on your hands. You cant claim my defense as there are two nights were nobody is claiming to have jailed you. You could very easily have blood on your hands.

97%, eh? That's so... precise! Sure sounds like a slam-dunk to me. Would you mind showing us your math?
You really can't see any other possibilities? In a surprise, bastard game?

No nightkill because benga was bulletproof? (You don't think they might try to kill one of the least likely lynch candidates?)
No nightkill because they tried to kill IB? (Don't know why they would, but that doesn't mean they didn't.)
No nightkill because the kill was somehow blocked or redirected towards benga or IB? (Are there any unclaimed powers out there?)

[AladdinSane]

I'm tired (after 4am) and I can't dijest all this rite now. I don't want to chek in tomorow mourning and maybe find myself on another mislinch, so for now UNVOTE. We need to get dis next wun rite, peepul, an their's plenny of time, so take yore time and consider orl teh anguls, kay? At teh same time, don't take too long - we don't want to have to rushlinch at teh last minut agin either.

Qwestjun fer Rish: why dident you jail me N3? My power operates as a global efeckt, acording to teh mods, so I don't tink it wood have been blokked. I'm kind of supprised to be un-NKed.

Qwestjun fer LSU TJ: Maybe a sily kwestjun - Is it sertain (putting aside fer teh minute teh posibility of a flip) dat teh targett will only have blud on there hands after a sucksessfull kill, or wood they orso have blud on there hands after a failed atempt? Orso, is a random resolt a posibility, as well as true and flipped?

Qwestjun fer Storr: Still waiting fer “addishunal infomashun”, I tink...

I have additional information about my role to give once the last 2 claims are made, excluding twr

Did we ever get dat?

[benga]

used glasses on IB, blood was found on his hands
with rishs jail maybe that's the reason there was no kill N3

Your glasses are wrong or you are scum OR Risaed is lying

If I was jailed by Rishead I should get a null read/block NOR could I kill.

Benga used his glasses during the day, so being jailed at night did not affect them. But I still stand by my read that the glasses flipped the result, and you have not killed anyone.

If I am jailed at night I could not kill nor be investigated.

With a day investigation it would still be a neg result as I could not go anywhere.

So in this game cop checks and items can not be trusted at face value.

It is also interesting to note that the glasses were revealed AFTER Rish said he jailed me.

Cause i wanted to see if jailed one had blood on the hands

[StorrZerg]

I actually think the glasses might be telling the truth being that dakky took over this game and without previous experience being a mod could very well have said what I asked it to do. If it had been "flip flopped" then every one else in the town should be shown with the "blood" residue instead of just IB> vote IB

Shitty reasoning. He has access to the roles. This is an absurd assumption to make. First you have to admit to knowing you had faulty inventions which is a fact at this point. Then you have to assume a mod error.

This doesn't trump rage's invention of 1 scum between 3 people.

[StorrZerg]

@Deg unclaimed person is twr. Possibly tracker or watcher
Also please give 2 town reads, and an additional mafia read that isn't wing, with some substance.


@wing, you didn't follow up when I pressured for more. Please follow up... please avoid using roles and night actions as reasons.