Rolegift Mafia, All Present

[TA1LGUNN3R]

That night many gifts were opened, the fortunate few began a war amongst themselves "I know you are scum *name omitted*" said a possessed voice, he shot at his target "I'm not your target! I'm GA7!" "liar! I can see it's you as clearly as I see your shirt!" GA exploded into a dramatic movie explosion the moment the shot hit his gifts (a pile of explosives) engulfing him as he said "No! I switched the names....." The only thing remaining was a name-tag on the ground identifying GA with the name of the real intended target, which the killer took with him. "heh, I knew it was you, liar" said the killer, satisfied as he left the scene.
GA, Town Kill Gifter has been killed!

Day Two begins!
With 12 alive it takes 7 to say who's been naughty and who's been nice, send in your gifts!!

Redirection? Or just flavor?

Ok maybe I'm totally mis-reading this, but this doesn't make sense if ga7 had the busdriver action. If (I'm assuming Squirrel because of his impending lynch) targeted ga7 for the mafia kill, or ga7 had any mafia kill on him, but he switched himself for Squirrel, wouldn't Squirrel be dead? And why would the scene say that ga7 admits to being ga7 if he was the busdriver? Like I said, I am thoroughly confused about this, maybe someone can explain it to me (I've been up for like 28 hrs now )

okay so assuming I misunderstood the scene which is possible... If indeed ga7 switched himself with any person, why would the killer say this?

As far as Squirrel's defense...meh.

Although he's the one trying hardest to kill me, Safariguy just seems like a townie adamant about lynching his 'confirmed' scum. And his reasons seem fairly legit. In someone else's shoes, I would probably be voting for me right now too.

That seems like a desperate appeal. This would make sense if he were scum, so maybe if someone can clue me in on the workings of the ga7 busdriving thing I would probably vote for him. However I think this falls apart w/out it, so I will withhold until I can understand it. I believe he's at L-1 with spiesr's vote that Squirrel said he would send in.

-Tails

[safariguy5]

That night many gifts were opened, the fortunate few began a war amongst themselves "I know you are scum *name omitted*" said a possessed voice, he shot at his target "I'm not your target! I'm GA7!" "liar! I can see it's you as clearly as I see your shirt!" GA exploded into a dramatic movie explosion the moment the shot hit his gifts (a pile of explosives) engulfing him as he said "No! I switched the names....." The only thing remaining was a name-tag on the ground identifying GA with the name of the real intended target, which the killer took with him. "heh, I knew it was you, liar" said the killer, satisfied as he left the scene.
GA, Town Kill Gifter has been killed!

Day Two begins!
With 12 alive it takes 7 to say who's been naughty and who's been nice, send in your gifts!!

Redirection? Or just flavor?

Ok maybe I'm totally mis-reading this, but this doesn't make sense if ga7 had the busdriver action. If (I'm assuming Squirrel because of his impending lynch) targeted ga7 for the mafia kill, or ga7 had any mafia kill on him, but he switched himself for Squirrel, wouldn't Squirrel be dead? And why would the scene say that ga7 admits to being ga7 if he was the busdriver? Like I said, I am thoroughly confused about this, maybe someone can explain it to me (I've been up for like 28 hrs now )

okay so assuming I misunderstood the scene which is possible... If indeed ga7 switched himself with any person, why would the killer say this?

As far as Squirrel's defense...meh.

Although he's the one trying hardest to kill me, Safariguy just seems like a townie adamant about lynching his 'confirmed' scum. And his reasons seem fairly legit. In someone else's shoes, I would probably be voting for me right now too.

That seems like a desperate appeal. This would make sense if he were scum, so maybe if someone can clue me in on the workings of the ga7 busdriving thing I would probably vote for him. However I think this falls apart w/out it, so I will withhold until I can understand it. I believe he's at L-1 with spiesr's vote that Squirrel said he would send in.

-Tails

It's possible ga7 switched himself with somebody, and the killer targeted the other person, therefore targeting ga7 instead. So busdriving could have actually caused ga7's death in this case instead of avoiding it.

[spiesr]

That seems like a desperate appeal. This would make sense if he were scum, so maybe if someone can clue me in on the workings of the ga7 busdriving thing I would probably vote for him. However I think this falls apart w/out it, so I will withhold until I can understand it. I believe he's at L-1 with spiesr's vote that Squirrel said he would send in.

It's possible ga7 switched himself with somebody, and the killer targeted the other person, therefore targeting ga7 instead. So busdriving could have actually caused ga7's death in this case instead of avoiding it.[/quote]Ga7 was apparently switched by some sort of bus-driver, that bus-driver may have been ga7 himself but we don't know for sure just yet. One of the possible explanations offered by Squirrel, as to why safariguy found him to be scum upon investigation, at one point was that the bus-driver could have switched Squirrel with someone who was scum. But, since ga7 was not scum and was apparently one of those switched by the bus-driver, it seems to indicate that Squirrel was not bus-driven. Squirrel himself quickly pointed this out, either when he presented the theory that he was bus-driven, or shortly after. On the whole, the bus-driver deal isn't exactly core to the case against Squirrel.
The case basically comes down to this. Safariguy says he investigated Squirrel last night and got a guilty result. Squirrel's defense basically can has the possibility the Safariguy isn't sane, or that something interfered with the investigation.
On another point. Kwanton has claimed to have investigated commander9 during the night and gotten a guilty result as well. The flavor of safariguy and kwanton's abilities and commander's threat that he has mayor powers today and will cancel any attempt to lynch him have led to Squirrel becoming to more preferred of the two to lynch today.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Oh I read the whole thread today, at this point I'm more trusting of Saf's investigative abilities than Kwan's Ouija board. I was just trying to work the bus thing, it isn't making sense. If, as you say, ga7 switched himself with another low-key player, I still don't get the "I knew it was you, liar" quote. I took this to mean someone was actively targeting ga7, and yet ga7 still was killed despite his busdriving abilities. Perhaps I'm looking too much into the scene?

-TG

[naxus]

Is squirell at L-1 or L-2

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Vote count

Mr. Squirrel; 6 Geese-a-Laying: Commander9, Fircoal, aage, safariguy5, Haggis_McMutton, spiesr

It takes 7 swans-a-swimming to lynch

[spiesr]

Oh I read the whole thread today, at this point I'm more trusting of Saf's investigative abilities than Kwan's Ouija board. I was just trying to work the bus thing, it isn't making sense. If, as you say, ga7 switched himself with another low-key player, I still don't get the "I knew it was you, liar" quote. I took this to mean someone was actively targeting ga7, and yet ga7 still was killed despite his busdriving abilities. Perhaps I'm looking too much into the scene?

While all of this could be over analyzing the scene, as there isn't a rule stating whether the scene is a representation of actual events, or a complete fabrication. But anyhow, I think the following line should help with you question a bit.

The only thing remaining was a name-tag on the ground identifying GA with the name of the real intended target, which the killer took with him. "heh, I knew it was you, liar" said the killer, satisfied as he left the scene.

The way I see it, the killer reads the name tag containing the name of the person that ga7 was switched with and then declares ga7 a liar for saying that he was ga7 instead of the name on the tag which the killer presumes to be true.

[Skoffin]

Well here is the pickle that I am in. I get a vibe of town from squirrel, but I do not have much explanation for why I feel that way. However, there has been no adequate explanation as to what could have flipped him as scum. I could leave my vote still and leave room for another theory, however this has been going in circles for a while now and I do not believe there will be any miraculous insights before this day is over. As my reason for trusting squirrel is based on gut and not logic I'll throw my vote in. It would be a shame to lose him, but I do believe we can gather some valuable intell from this event whatever way he flips.
vote squirrel

[Commander9]

Well here is the pickle that I am in. I get a vibe of town from squirrel, but I do not have much explanation for why I feel that way. However, there has been no adequate explanation as to what could have flipped him as scum. I could leave my vote still and leave room for another theory, however this has been going in circles for a while now and I do not believe there will be any miraculous insights before this day is over. As my reason for trusting squirrel is based on gut and not logic I'll throw my vote in. It would be a shame to lose him, but I do believe we can gather some valuable intell from this event whatever way he flips.
vote squirrel

Well, one thing that I've noticed, best and most experienced players usually give you that townish vibe and I've seen quite a bit where I'd think he's town and he turned out not to be one. Gut feelings, however are right, so sometimes a gut feeling may be worth more than logic.

[aage]

Well here is the pickle that I am in. I get a vibe of town from squirrel, but I do not have much explanation for why I feel that way. However, there has been no adequate explanation as to what could have flipped him as scum. I could leave my vote still and leave room for another theory, however this has been going in circles for a while now and I do not believe there will be any miraculous insights before this day is over. As my reason for trusting squirrel is based on gut and not logic I'll throw my vote in. It would be a shame to lose him, but I do believe we can gather some valuable intell from this event whatever way he flips.
vote squirrel

Well, one thing that I've noticed, best and most experienced players usually give you that townish vibe and I've seen quite a bit where I'd think he's town and he turned out not to be one. Gut feelings, however are right, so sometimes a gut feeling may be worth more than logic.

ga7 never gives me a townish vibe because his infallible logic always makes me think he tries to frame someone

Still, in this case we have someone claiming a cop role (for today) and outing a scum. What exactly have we got to lose?

[Commander9]

ga7 never gives me a townish vibe because his infallible logic always makes me think he tries to frame someone

Still, in this case we have someone claiming a cop role (for today) and outing a scum. What exactly have we got to lose?

This line sort of makes me worry... We may lose a townie with a powerful role and then the so called cop can escape being lynched even though he would be scum. I'd say a lot is on the line...

[safariguy5]

ga7 never gives me a townish vibe because his infallible logic always makes me think he tries to frame someone

Still, in this case we have someone claiming a cop role (for today) and outing a scum. What exactly have we got to lose?

This line sort of makes me worry... We may lose a townie with a powerful role and then the so called cop can escape being lynched even though he would be scum. I'd say a lot is on the line...

I'm just saying what I got as an investigation. The investigation was confirmed, and I got the result that I got.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I believe that's a lynch.

-Tails

[aage]

ga7 never gives me a townish vibe because his infallible logic always makes me think he tries to frame someone

Still, in this case we have someone claiming a cop role (for today) and outing a scum. What exactly have we got to lose?

This line sort of makes me worry... We may lose a townie with a powerful role and then the so called cop can escape being lynched even though he would be scum. I'd say a lot is on the line...

We've *possibly* got a town role to lose. On the other hand, we *most defenitely* are killing a mafia member.

[The Weird One]

I apologize for any inconvenience, but I've been swamped by schoolwork as of late...Could I please be replaced?

[Mr. Squirrel]

soooo.... am I lynched yet? I think I should be

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My bad!
Vote count

Mr. Squirrel; 7 votes: Commander9, Fircoal, aage, safariguy5, Haggis_McMutton, spiesr, skoffin

PCM has replaced TWO
I'm going to give him a chance to quickly read up and send in a gift, day end has been delayed for around 24 hours, if anyone else hasn't sent in a gift now is your last chance to do so.

[pancakemix]

I've read about half the thread at this point. I'll post something relevant when I finish.

[pancakemix]

I've read about half the thread at this point. I'll post something relevant when I finish.

Or I guess it can wait until tomorrow.

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Mr. Squirrel gave boring gifts, gifts that sent people to places more tedious than limbo, more empty than the moon, but was that evil?
Could it have been an excuse to send them away while he ate out of their bird feeders? We may never know, because today he was accused of having evidence against him at the public library.
They went and looked him up for themselves, sure enough over 100 newspaper articles, and a self published confessional autobiography later and they had all the evidence they needed to lynch the squirrel, they talked amongst themselves "we really need some police in this town" "really? no one reads the paper?"
everyone shrugged or looked away.

after the lynching they mercifully burned the first and last dice-museum tickets to be sold in this town ever
Mr.Squirrel (Mafia Commute Gifter ) has been lynched, gifts sent, Night 2 Starts! you have until Thursday to send in your actions

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let's see if I can manage to sort this out after a third serving of cough syrup....
ok there, no death tonight, back to sleep....

Day Three Starts! with 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch, don't forget your gifts

[spiesr]

So, nobody died. Does the mafia not have actual killing powers in this game, having to make do with whatever gifts they receive? Or have our docs and blocks simply been effective thus far?
Anyhow, so I used the Ouija board on Skoffin last night and it came back with scum. Not sure if we can trust it though, it could very well be paranoid or insane, with another cop role out there and all. Speaking of which, did the library card turn up anything useful last night?

[safariguy5]

Well, I think we're pretty sure that the library card is a sane cop role although I didn't get that. I did get a present that made me voteless so I can't participate in the lynch today. However, I did also get a second present that allows me to stop a lynch. So I'm the town governor today.

[Commander9]

So, nobody died. Does the mafia not have actual killing powers in this game, having to make do with whatever gifts they receive? Or have our docs and blocks simply been effective thus far?
Anyhow, so I used the Ouija board on Skoffin last night and it came back with scum. Not sure if we can trust it though, it could very well be paranoid or insane, with another cop role out there and all. Speaking of which, did the library card turn up anything useful last night?

This means next to nothing, because that's my gift. Last night I sent it to Kwan, who investigated me and got guilty and now you tried Skoff and also got guilty. While Skof may still be scum, I am pretty sure I give a paranoid cop's gift, so it's not something we probably should want to use as our lynch.

[safariguy5]

So, nobody died. Does the mafia not have actual killing powers in this game, having to make do with whatever gifts they receive? Or have our docs and blocks simply been effective thus far?
Anyhow, so I used the Ouija board on Skoffin last night and it came back with scum. Not sure if we can trust it though, it could very well be paranoid or insane, with another cop role out there and all. Speaking of which, did the library card turn up anything useful last night?

This means next to nothing, because that's my gift. Last night I sent it to Kwan, who investigated me and got guilty and now you tried Skoff and also got guilty. While Skof may still be scum, I am pretty sure I give a paranoid cop's gift, so it's not something we probably should want to use as our lynch.

Could be paranoid, or insane (which is more useful). But I agree that the results are unreliable until we get an innocent response from that board if it happens at all.