Romeo and Juliet Mafia - Capulet Victory. +Paris+John

[edocsil]

Opps missed one thing no need to lynch now, lynch Edoc and then vig me tonight or the other way around,but you really might go the first choice no idea of edoc role I tried to protect, better lynch him first,then vig me.

I think that was pretty well thought out, Do you agree or maybe you think they should lynch me first, Do tell I am aquiver to see your ego's response.

You are saying you subtly hinted to your role. I haven't seen it, pardon. I have said not so subtly I AM NOT ON YOUR SIDE, AND YOU ARE NOT TOWN. Don't expect me to feel bad here. You made a few mistakes, you lied on your (implied) WC. Implying that R&J had to be dead for you to win.

Here is the quote

If you are a capulet or montague or aligned to them your endgame win is when R&J die.

I am Montague aligned despite not being one and that is not my WC. Deductive logic says the vigs must kill R&J and I would like everyone to get out of this alive. Your statement implies Vig, which in this game is basically a SK. That misstep totally overrides any hints you dropped for yourself, and quite frankly I don't know you well enough to pick up hints anyhow. Don't try to blame me for outing you this game, you slipped. You also claimed before there was hardly any pressure on you. It is easily possible that no one would have agreed with me, making my case worthless.

Also note that there are hardly any votes on you now, no one wants to lynch Lord Montague, he isn't a threat to the survivors and the Capulets have no desire to expose themselves over hanging you.

[jgordon1111]

Thank you Edoc, but again I am not town, and I made no missteps, yes I implied what my WC might be, that way all capulats and montigues would go hell thats not right he is third party. But that is all moot now. its out and as for trying to back up on the vote you are aware that if I was pushed to claim again I would have to fight it again,did not feel like going that route another time. so just you trying it again was enough I was done trying to keep my role protected because you would have given good BS evidence for me to be forced to claim again because some players really most of the time actually jump on the bandwagon rather than read what is happening. thats alot easier to do than be bored.

As far as insults do you not think some of us are insulted when you lead lynches against us on no good evidence, and then are not worried you killed someone that is aligned with you because you were wrong again? Thats insulting to me at least that you think you are so good that killing others that are possibly aligned with you doesnt matter.

[edocsil]

Again, you and I ~ Not same side.

Again, if you don't see the evidence fine. That's why this is a game, if we all knew exactly who to lynch it wouldn't be much of a game, nor if we always agreed. This setup is particularly complex and hard to get a grasp of.

Again this is the second game *gasp* I have voted for you. If your feelings are that fragile then the internet is really the wrong place for you.

Again. There is a place and a time to fight claiming. In general, fight while you are still L-6 (or whatever large number) and claim if you are L-1 or 2

And in conclusion, you have played 4 games, one of which is finished with you endgamed and the others ongoing. I am nearing on 50 games. Do not presume to tell me how this game works. Frankly I am beginning to tire of your complaints in every thread you are posting in, complaining of my ego. If you wish to complain to me do it through PM as you have started doing. It is just becoming spam in the game threads.

[zimmah]

I never once declared my WC edoc now not only are you killing your team mates over and over your skimming and calling it evidence.

Why declare because in several games I have been your team mate and despite some hints each time you continue to push for my role.

In one game you lead the charge and when I tried to stonewall it and gave you hints I was told I wasnt playing by some god awful unwritten game etiquette and hard headed and cursed at, you have a short skimming memory there Edoc.

In case anyone missed it I am lord montague I am a roleblocker.

So despite trying to save my egotistical team mate there are now two montague roles revealed one IS A POWER ROLE MY TEAM MATE HAD TO KNOW ABOUT.

please don't bring other games to this one. let this game be this game, and whatever happens in other games, stays in other games, it's a global mafia game rule.

there's no need to ruin the fun of 15 other players in this game because you have hurt feelings from other games.

please do your best and play to win, and keep the game enjoyable for everyone. thanks.

[jgordon1111]

Again I got it Edoc,you play to win ok,so do I in a different way I prefer trying not to kill people I believe I am aligned with. I understand we are not aligned. thank you it says one of the capulets is not aligned either. therefore back to the original idea kill the third parties and then the capulets can fight out endgame against each other. Beings that is their goal. with third party out of the way no need for interference from them in the family fued endgame that just says all capulets or montigues die is their endgame and beings romeo and juliet are still part of those families I would suggest killing them as quick as possible one is probably linked to the other. And you being shown as a montigue but not aligned with the same WC that would most likely make you juliet. So lynch you today might take out romeo and vig dazza and poison the general should just about make it capulets against montigues. i think that covers it.

Fast posted by the MOD. yes Zimmah I will follow the rules henceforth. My apologies to you for being hostile and bringing other non relevant stuff into your game.

[edocsil]

Again I got it Edoc,you play to win ok,so do I in a different way I prefer trying not to kill people I believe I am aligned with. I understand we are not aligned. thank you it says one of the capulets is not aligned either. therefore back to the original idea kill the third parties and then the capulets can fight out endgame against each other. Beings that is their goal. with third party out of the way no need for interference from them in the family fued endgame that just says all capulets or montigues die is their endgame and beings romeo and juliet are still part of those families I would suggest killing them as quick as possible one is probably linked to the other. And you being shown as a montigue but not aligned with the same WC that would most likely make you juliet. So lynch you today might take out romeo and vig dazza and poison the general should just about make it capulets against montigues. i think that covers it.

Fast posted by the MOD. yes Zimmah I will follow the rules henceforth. My apologies to you for being hostile and bringing other non relevant stuff into your game.

Montague aligned, remember? Also, your faction isn't large enough to take on the third partiers and the Capulets. Your actions are defining you as a hostile minority. Most of us just want to survive, you just seem to want to kill everyone.

I mean seriously kill Romeo and Juliet?? They are the Ultimate definition of Survivors. I can't recall if you have read/watched R&J but that is the whole point of the play. Star-crossed love. All they want is to live with each other.

Oh and that poisoner you want to cooperate with you is a Survivor too. Aren't you supposed to kill them all of to make it just Capulets and Montegues?

[jgordon1111]

I dont think the montagues would be taking on the third parties by themselves,because I am willing to bet the capulets have the same WC as the montagues. and thiers doesnt say anything about winning if third parties survive. And I am super sure both R&J died in shakespears version of that play ergo not survivors at all really, just tragic lovers that died because their families were fueding. If shakespear had written part 2 it would have been a deathmatch between the 2 families most likely.

So despite your arguement edoc it may be the better course for us to eliminate any possible threats from third party and get rid of them first.
Starting of course with you. you have pretty much made your role clear to all and I think you and romeo may be linked together. thus a no win endgame for third parties, and we know who 2 of the third parties are. they can be gotten rid of in the night i can roleblock the invincible General while someone vigs dazza. Or i can roleblock dazza from giving away anyone elses role while the general's invincibility is tested by a vig.

either way then the 2 families then get to try and see their own side endgames and wins.

Its a sure win win for the families to get third party out of the way first.

[jgordon1111]

Just realized A point I didnt make to the capulet faction Your win condition Is ALL montigues DEAD juliet is a montigue,as is romeo a Capulet. I am reasonably sure they are connected. So Yes then you wont have to dig for who in your family is romeo and start killing each other to find out. Downside he is a capulet, Upside you have 2 montigues so that leaves you one ahead.

[SPARTACUS1974]

wow i go to sleep you 2 go to war lol.

ok so we know that you both have diff WC but does this mean that you both can win i doubt this very much as in highlander there can be only one . i would say edoc needs romeo and juliet to live for his WC,and in jgordons WC he needs juliet dead as she is the capulets so you can help each other for so much but not all the way .

so how many diff WC are there?
so after reading and re reading you have a valid point that dazza is a threat to both families
so unvote

[SPARTACUS1974]

Just realized A point I didnt make to the capulet faction Your win condition Is ALL montigues DEAD juliet is a montigue,as is romeo a Capulet. I am reasonably sure they are connected. So Yes then you wont have to dig for who in your family is romeo and start killing each other to find out. Downside he is a capulet, Upside you have 2 montigues so that leaves you one ahead.

romeo is montague

[edocsil]

The last lines of the play is Capulet and Montague swearing to cherish each others family and honor Romeo and Juliet. Anyhow, your side is already screwed. Capulets have a major tactical advantage over you. Perhaps they will be more willing to see reason with cooperating with the Survivors. Vote JG

Also, you should know that Romeo is a Montague, not Juliet.

What is so funny about this Is Monty should be my ally. Unless I completely miss my guess our WC are compatible, but he simply does not see it.

As far as I know there are straight survivors (the prince and the like). Survivors who want R&J to live. (Lawrence, Nurse, Mercutio) The Vigs (who want R&J dead) and the rest of the Family, whose WC I am still uncertain of. I am under the impression that it is survive to endgame/annihilate opposite family. I suspect that there are a few ways they can win.

[jgordon1111]

there are three win conditions third party's win condition romeo and juliet survive. Montagues win when all capulets including romeo are dead, Capulets win condition when all Montigues are dead including juliet.

What I am proposing is we lynch juliets traitorous ass today,therefore killing romeo's traitorous ass at the same time.

then vig and roleblock the other two known third parties. thus leaving them with a no win endgame. I.e. General and Dazza.

Then the montigues and capulets settle the game themselves and one side or the other gets thier endgame without interference from third parties lurking around revealing roles etc.

Better that to happen than the two families running around helping third party kill ourselves.

[jgordon1111]

Dang Edoc now you told a lie remember saying we are not aligned,even though you were a montigue. So no our endgames are not compatible. the families endgames are no survivors of the other family. Of which romeo you are one of the montigues and juliet is a capulet. sorry for getting it confused before. So lets keep history correct and get romeo and juliet out of the way. Then we write history to say only one family survived the fued

[SPARTACUS1974]

ok i gotta go to work now you 2 need to get some sleep lol

[dazza2008]

there are three win conditions third party's win condition romeo and juliet survive.

This is wrong. I am not sure if you don't understand or just don't listen to anyone or anything.

I am third party and all I have to do is survive. It doesn't matter who win just when someone does win the game if I am alive I win with them.

Roleblock me tonight if you don't want any more information out here but to lynch or have me vigged is just a waste.

I am not a threat to anyone here all I have to do it live till the end. I don't know why you find me such a threat and want me dead. Maybe you just don't like me. But killing me is not going to take anyone any nearer to the win.

[SPARTACUS1974]

edoc what is your WC

[Leehar]

there are three win conditions third party's win condition romeo and juliet survive.

This is wrong. I am not sure if you don't understand or just don't listen to anyone or anything.

I am third party and all I have to do is survive. It doesn't matter who win just when someone does win the game if I am alive I win with them.

Roleblock me tonight if you don't want any more information out here but to lynch or have me vigged is just a waste.

I am not a threat to anyone here all I have to do it live till the end. I don't know why you find me such a threat and want me dead. Maybe you just don't like me. But killing me is not going to take anyone any nearer to the win.

Can you tell us who you actually are (name-wise) then so we can clarify where you fit into this whole over-arching play scenario?

Vote edocsil because I have to agree he also seems to make more trouble then he's worth, so it'd be nice to see him hard claim when already exposed by Dazza, so we can actually see whats his agenda when the other party in this whole saga of the last couple of days (jg) has motives and attitudes a lot easier to understand than all this sneaky stuff edoc seems to thrive in.

Btw jg, was it this game or another that you said you'd kill edoc in?

[new guy1]

I dont think the montagues would be taking on the third parties by themselves,because I am willing to bet the capulets have the same WC as the montagues. and thiers doesnt say anything about winning if third parties survive. And I am super sure both R&J died in shakespears version of that play ergo not survivors at all really, just tragic lovers that died because their families were fueding. If shakespear had written part 2 it would have been a deathmatch between the 2 families most likely.

just saying, the version i read had them building statues (montagues building statues for Juliet, Capulets building statues for Romeo) in the end, so i dont think thats how version two would have gone

[shieldgenerator7]

Hey, no kill happened last night. Either zimmah disabled the killing roles for the first night or the targets both got doc protected or the killers got blocked.
jgordon, being a roleblocker, who did you target last night?

And also jgordon I find killing the 3rd parties first illogical. If there are two equal sides trying to lynch each other, how are they going to win if they need MORE than half the votes? The capulets will try to lynch montagues and montagues will try to lynch capulets. It'll be a stalemate. We need the third-parties in order to get any kind of a lynch in. (this game is so screwed up because no one knows who to root for, or who are the "good" guys)(note to mod: no just kidding this game is awesome )

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[SPARTACUS1974]

victor sullivan is very quiet ? so we may hale a silencer

[dazza2008]

there are three win conditions third party's win condition romeo and juliet survive.

This is wrong. I am not sure if you don't understand or just don't listen to anyone or anything.

I am third party and all I have to do is survive. It doesn't matter who win just when someone does win the game if I am alive I win with them.

Roleblock me tonight if you don't want any more information out here but to lynch or have me vigged is just a waste.

I am not a threat to anyone here all I have to do it live till the end. I don't know why you find me such a threat and want me dead. Maybe you just don't like me. But killing me is not going to take anyone any nearer to the win.

Can you tell us who you actually are (name-wise) then so we can clarify where you fit into this whole over-arching play scenario?

I have fully claimed. I keep giving info and you keep asking me to repeat it. I cannot be bothered repeating it again. Look back and find it and please stop skimming.

[shieldgenerator7]

there are three win conditions third party's win condition romeo and juliet survive.

This is wrong. I am not sure if you don't understand or just don't listen to anyone or anything.

I am third party and all I have to do is survive. It doesn't matter who win just when someone does win the game if I am alive I win with them.

Roleblock me tonight if you don't want any more information out here but to lynch or have me vigged is just a waste.

I am not a threat to anyone here all I have to do it live till the end. I don't know why you find me such a threat and want me dead. Maybe you just don't like me. But killing me is not going to take anyone any nearer to the win.

Can you tell us who you actually are (name-wise) then so we can clarify where you fit into this whole over-arching play scenario?

I have fully claimed. I keep giving info and you keep asking me to repeat it. I cannot be bothered repeating it again. Look back and find it and please stop skimming.

dazza is Brother John, third-party survivor reporter. Each night he picks someone and their alignment is shown in the day scene. Also, he has a 1 in 6 chance of being PM'd their exact role

Man I'm such a nerd

[jgordon1111]

1. Dazza your a threat because of your role,that role is counter to what either of the families need now. Yes I could just roleblock you tonight,get back to you on that depending on your vote.

2.spartacus Edoc claims not to be montague aligned but Zimmah stepped in and says he is a Montague,that makes him Romeo. His WC is all members of the Montague and Capulat families are dead I.e. thats why he and the general were (clear)with each other at the completion of N1.

3. Leehar you misunderstood something, I have never killed Edoc in any game. Been on his team yes,killed him no. actually I have only actually killed one person ever and that was just dropping the hammer once in a game to kill scum.

4.New Guy that is why I am saying kill the third parties(test general) at night then let the families settle this write history a little different.

5. It is not illogical to kill the third parties,just for the fact the families outnumber together the third parties,And the WC for the families is all of the members of the opposite family must die I.e. that means R&J beings they each belong to a family and have a WC of both of the families being wiped out to win. Two things to get the capulat involved to hang Edoc he is a Montague he is third party,both of those go against your win condition.

6.Everyone knows who I am tomorrow safe to lynch me capulats and montagues continue game without outside interference and no one elses role exposed.

[dazza2008]

1. Dazza your a threat because of your role,that role is counter to what either of the families need now. Yes I could just roleblock you tonight,get back to you on that depending on your vote.

I have already addressed this. If enough of you find it a problem then I will not target anyone. If you guys want me to I will.

What is the problem here? I am willing to do exactly what the majority want me to. I cannot see why you need to kill me. I will cooperate with you all. Killing me is just purely so I don't win. There is no need for it at all is there?

[jgordon1111]

you skimmed my post dazza read what I said to you again.