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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby jak111 on Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:44 pm

chapcrap wrote:
jak111 wrote:Gi..give me till tomorrow afternoon to post guys. My friend just.. I'll be a day or two...

Is this trying to make fun of someone? I don't know.


No. I just got my best friend online to hate my fucking guts (Excuse my language but I'm not really in a cheerful mood) Guess she decided to go around telling some of my other friends I'm some sort of psychopath (not far from the truth ;o jk) So now I'm stuck wondering what made my best friend, my BEST FRIEND online decide to just one day begin spreading rumors about me, not even confronting me about anything, and then block me off of everything... I don't mind cleaning up the mess she's made with my friends, but it hurts to not even know why she did it in the first place.

I'll take a quick glance over everything and see what I can add for tonight, my gf is pretty much keeping my mind together atm >.<.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby jak111 on Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:48 pm

~Facepalm~ I'll wait till L-2 to claim if I must, but the last vote on me is horrible to say the least. It'll all be explained in due time, besides that. Not much more to add tonight.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby new guy1 on Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:55 pm

Good luck with the issue, hope you can find out why she would go crazy like that.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby jgordon1111 on Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:22 pm

congrats NG1 and ghost on the award and good luck in the nationals
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby Ragian on Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:33 am

1. Congrats, chap =D>
2. Congrats on the award and the fuel thingie, newguy and ghostly
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new guy1 wrote:I agree with doom in the aspect that I dont want to echo

:lol:

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Anyway...sorry for the absence. I'm mostly busy on weekends (even had dazza sitting my account the past two days). I received a prod and now I'm here 8-[

jgordon1111 wrote:NO, the relevant part for me to FOS chuck was it appeared to me he was trying to divert attention to someone else instead of either telling both jak and ragian to get bent.


What did I do? (The obvious answer here, of course, is "not enough", but surely I shouldn't get bent :shock: .)

I spent some time catching up from page 8 so a lot of stuff has happened. The weird thing is that when I react to it now, the things have "aged", but I'll chip in:
- BW discussion: I seem to agree mostly with pmc (even if he is a Celtic fan)
- chuck: I don't think there were any major slip-ups that would warrant a vote
- jak+gordon: I don't know if they're necessarily connected because they seem to have similar opinions. In that case, pmc and a few people are connected too.
- doctor guiding: don't guide protective and investigative roles with anything but cases. Let them make up their own minds based on the posts.

Oh and unvote my joke vote.

@jak, hope you get your online life sorted out (must admit that I semi-skimmed the explanation, but I understand that there are some issues).

Also, and I know this lies way back, but what was up with this?
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Some7hingCLEVER wrote:is sg7 in here...o ya well then i guess its time i claim

im the sk!!!


what?! I thought you were part of my mafia faction! *checks role PM* Oh, nevermind that was someone else 8-[

-SG7 ( :lol: )


and

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jgordon1111 wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:is sg7 in here...o ya well then i guess its time i claim

im the sk!!!


Does anyone else think this joke is a bit forced?

Not If you have played with him recently,he seems to have lost his mind.

apparentley a SG7 groupie or something :shock:


NOT A GROUPIE! I AM HIS PADOWAN! we are actually co modding a game lol.


Has something and sg7 posted anything else? I mean...substantial? Still, it's D1 and I shouldn't be throwing rocks when I was 9 pages behind myself. Perhaps it was a joke and I should let it slide. It was just weird to me since I haven't been in too many games with either of them so I'm not familiar with their banter. Do I need an explanation or should I just let it slide?
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby everywhere116 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:39 am

Like I said in Matrix, I haven't been as active as I normally am, exams and papers need to be dealt with, etc.

I agree with / on jgordon, he hasn't been making a lot of sense. But if he is correct that jak is a lyncher and not a Nazi per se, we don't need to deal with him right now.

Frankly, chap's post here was very persuasive. I'm not ignoring the rest of you who contributed to jak's case, just that his is the mose succinct and comprehensive.
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jak111 wrote:Gi..give me till tomorrow afternoon to post guys. My friend just.. I'll be a day or two...

Is this trying to make fun of someone? I don't know.

However, I agree with was saf said about jak. More than anything, I think it's ridiculous that jak tries to guide the doctor for absolutely no reason. Guiding the doctor to a specific person is scummy in itself, because you need to guide the doctor on day 1 by giving them information to go on in general.

Not only is it ridiculous to guide the doctor to a specific person, it's even more ridiculous when the person in question is in no way proven to be town or be helpful to town.

AND, the reason given for saving him is even more absurd. If you have no idea what pmc's role is, how can you say that you need him to answer question about night intel? The whole thing is preposterous and makes me think that you are scum who is trying to guide the doctor into doing something predictable.

unvote vote jak


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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby Leehar on Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:47 am

Ragian wrote:Also, and I know this lies way back, but what was up with this?
shieldgenerator7 wrote:
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:is sg7 in here...o ya well then i guess its time i claim

im the sk!!!


what?! I thought you were part of my mafia faction! *checks role PM* Oh, nevermind that was someone else 8-[

-SG7 ( :lol: )


and

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jgordon1111 wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:is sg7 in here...o ya well then i guess its time i claim

im the sk!!!


Does anyone else think this joke is a bit forced?

Not If you have played with him recently,he seems to have lost his mind.

apparentley a SG7 groupie or something :shock:


NOT A GROUPIE! I AM HIS PADOWAN! we are actually co modding a game lol.


Has something and sg7 posted anything else? I mean...substantial? Still, it's D1 and I shouldn't be throwing rocks when I was 9 pages behind myself. Perhaps it was a joke and I should let it slide. It was just weird to me since I haven't been in too many games with either of them so I'm not familiar with their banter. Do I need an explanation or should I just let it slide?

From what I understand, shield's not in this game? But clever is?

With regards to Jak, the whole 'it will be explained in good time' seems a bit :?:
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby jak111 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:17 am

Well a few more votes and it'll be explained Leehar. I'm not interested in claiming, because if I do I'm as good as dead tonight anyhow. So either kill me now or tonight, either way I know I'm not making it to D2.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby pmchugh on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:07 am

OK firstly, the outcome of my day 1 debate with jak resulted in a town tell of jak for me. He appeared to be interested in scum hunting and applying pressure at an early stage, rather than just joke voting and being completely unghelpful *cough* / *cough*. Also his directing of the docs action actually shows more experience from a shorter length of game which is more dependent on night actions. Directing the doc helps protect me via WIFOM because even if I am not being protected the mafia are unlikely to hit me.

Although admittedly I don't like his soft claiming and giving up so early.

Slash has helped his case though by producing a decent case against jgordon. One thing that I think needs highlighted is this:

jgordon1111 wrote:@PMC, putting pressure on someone is why we are doing this,and getting a claim is the product of that pressure


He wants pressure and possibly a claim but he doesn't vote him, that is a bit of an oxymoron. So why not vote him?

jgordon wrote:Anyone that is over eager for them is always suspect to me,because In my opinion that is the biggest scumtell of all


He doesn't say that joining a BW is advantageous to scum, he actually says that he doesn't want to because it would make him appear scummy. Sacrificing applying pressure on another play in order to not appear scummy yourself is enough to earn you my vote.

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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby SPARTACUS1974 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:07 am

jak111 wrote:Well a few more votes and it'll be explained Leehar. I'm not interested in claiming, because if I do I'm as good as dead tonight anyhow. So either kill me now or tonight, either way I know I'm not making it to D2.


sorry not been active much we have a break in the weather so been busy at sea .

This seems very odd to me because if you are off such value to town why would you not claim to try to survive ? or is this just arrogance by saying if you lynch me then fook you all im not claiming i dont care what town does without me ? as we would all try to protect you through the night by busdriver and doctor .

im not voting yet as i would like a vote count first
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby jak111 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:13 am

safariguy5 wrote:Oh I see, so you want to split the town vote so we get a no lynch and no claims? Nice...

If / did indeed take quotes out of context, that should be up to jg to argue, not you. Ionno jak, you made a big deal about pmc not pressuring chuck and heavily implying they could be scumbuddies, by that logic, I could say the same about your little defense of jgordon.

unvote vote jak for saying that having a split vote is a good thing at this point which I disagree with.


Hmm, you're going off how you look at what I said, not what I said. I mentioned a split vote so we can gain information. Not that we no lynch or get no claims, people can easily switch from one to the other to pressure someone more. So it looks like not just / is taking someone's words out of context. Tsk tsk Saf.

Again, I didn't make a big deal about PMC not pressuring Chuck, do the town a favor and go back and re-read it all. You sir, Mr.Skimmer need to do your homework on people before winging it so much ;). Aye, I did protect jg, it's what town mates do. Unlike you, I wish to protect the townies. If it is wrong to do so then I guess I shouldn't protect anyone?

Then we move to Chap:

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jak111 wrote:Gi..give me till tomorrow afternoon to post guys. My friend just.. I'll be a day or two...

Is this trying to make fun of someone? I don't know.

However, I agree with was saf said about jak. More than anything, I think it's ridiculous that jak tries to guide the doctor for absolutely no reason. Guiding the doctor to a specific person is scummy in itself, because you need to guide the doctor on day 1 by giving them information to go on in general.

Not only is it ridiculous to guide the doctor to a specific person, it's even more ridiculous when the person in question is in no way proven to be town or be helpful to town.

AND, the reason given for saving him is even more absurd. If you have no idea what pmc's role is, how can you say that you need him to answer question about night intel? The whole thing is preposterous and makes me think that you are scum who is trying to guide the doctor into doing something predictable.

unvote vote jak


So this is a guy who quotes and and starts off with making fun of a guy when he's down, bravo sir. Real courageous.

Or perhaps I'm making him do the unpredictable, asking him to do one thing, scare off the scummies while he does another. But since everyone keeps pointing that out I guess it's useless whatever he does now, hmm? Now that I have to explain it it lets the scum know it's a trick. Bravo for not seeing a trap set for the scummies when it's right in front of you. Instead activating it publicly for the world to see.

By the way, how is saving PMC absurd? I do believe he's added a lot more intel then you at the moment. You're only points against me are that I tried to guide the doctor and start off your post with mockery. =D> ( :roll: )

Now for Everywhere:
everywhere116 wrote:Like I said in Matrix, I haven't been as active as I normally am, exams and papers need to be dealt with, etc.

I agree with / on jgordon, he hasn't been making a lot of sense. But if he is correct that jak is a lyncher and not a Nazi per se, we don't need to deal with him right now.

Frankly, chap's post here was very persuasive. I'm not ignoring the rest of you who contributed to jak's case, just that his is the mose succinct and comprehensive.
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jak111 wrote:Gi..give me till tomorrow afternoon to post guys. My friend just.. I'll be a day or two...

Is this trying to make fun of someone? I don't know.

However, I agree with was saf said about jak. More than anything, I think it's ridiculous that jak tries to guide the doctor for absolutely no reason. Guiding the doctor to a specific person is scummy in itself, because you need to guide the doctor on day 1 by giving them information to go on in general.

Not only is it ridiculous to guide the doctor to a specific person, it's even more ridiculous when the person in question is in no way proven to be town or be helpful to town.

AND, the reason given for saving him is even more absurd. If you have no idea what pmc's role is, how can you say that you need him to answer question about night intel? The whole thing is preposterous and makes me think that you are scum who is trying to guide the doctor into doing something predictable.

unvote vote jak


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Hey, I just voted jak in both my D1 games. How 'bout that.


So you just contradicted yourself, of which earlier I read "Aren't contradictory statements enough?" Well if they are, everywhere would be a goner. But no, contradictory statements aren't enough. You first say to not worry about me, then proceed to vote me, and in your conclusion the only real description you give is voting me in both games. Just want me out of the picture that much everywhere? ;)

Also, because calling me a lyncher atm is skimming yet again. I mentioned earlier that I am not looking for a lynch at this moment, but instead looking for info for tonight.


So, thinking about all of this. None of you 3 really bother me with weak arguments followed by a vote. It's the result of skimming and making things up about me inside your heads. Anyway, back to some actual conversations going on so far. /, you're still on jg's case? Really? We can find out something about him tonight or something else, but right now he's no threat to the townies.

Fastposted twice, PMC on the other hand pointed out some interesting things in short quotes, I like that :) Unvote, Vote jg Wow, never thought a fast post could make me actually change my mind that quickly XD.

Soft claiming? <.< >.> I dear say boy, where have I done that?
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:19 am

Jgordon, the point of a BW (according to you, someone else can find the post if they don't believe me) is to gain information, not necessarily for a lynch. So, why must our bandwagon on you end in a lynch and no information?

By saying you refuse to claim, you are proving yourself wrong in the debate that dominated the early day. I just want to know what makes you so special that the rules of BW don't apply?
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby jak111 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:23 am

DoomYoshi wrote:Jgordon, the point of a BW (according to you, someone else can find the post if they don't believe me) is to gain information, not necessarily for a lynch. So, why must our bandwagon on you end in a lynch and no information?

By saying you refuse to claim, you are proving yourself wrong in the debate that dominated the early day. I just want to know what makes you so special that the rules of BW don't apply?


Well at first I was confused on who you were talking to. Are me and jg so alike we are twins? XD

But in all seriousness, carefully read PMC's post. If you can't find it there, then don't bother trying to figure me out.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby ghostly447 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:24 am

Vote count coming up. Give me a few minutes-an hour.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby everywhere116 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:24 am

jak111 wrote:Now for Everywhere:
everywhere116 wrote:Like I said in Matrix, I haven't been as active as I normally am, exams and papers need to be dealt with, etc.

I agree with / on jgordon, he hasn't been making a lot of sense. But if he is correct that jgordon is a lyncher and not a Nazi per se, we don't need to deal with him right now.

Frankly, chap's post here was very persuasive. I'm not ignoring the rest of you who contributed to jak's case, just that his is the mose succinct and comprehensive.
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jak111 wrote:Gi..give me till tomorrow afternoon to post guys. My friend just.. I'll be a day or two...

Is this trying to make fun of someone? I don't know.

However, I agree with was saf said about jak. More than anything, I think it's ridiculous that jak tries to guide the doctor for absolutely no reason. Guiding the doctor to a specific person is scummy in itself, because you need to guide the doctor on day 1 by giving them information to go on in general.

Not only is it ridiculous to guide the doctor to a specific person, it's even more ridiculous when the person in question is in no way proven to be town or be helpful to town.

AND, the reason given for saving him is even more absurd. If you have no idea what pmc's role is, how can you say that you need him to answer question about night intel? The whole thing is preposterous and makes me think that you are scum who is trying to guide the doctor into doing something predictable.

unvote vote jak


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Hey, I just voted jak in both my D1 games. How 'bout that.


So you just contradicted yourself, of which earlier I read "Aren't contradictory statements enough?" Well if they are, everywhere would be a goner. But no, contradictory statements aren't enough. You first say to not worry about me, then proceed to vote me, and in your conclusion the only real description you give is voting me in both games. Just want me out of the picture that much everywhere? ;)

Also, because calling me a lyncher atm is skimming yet again. I mentioned earlier that I am not looking for a lynch at this moment, but instead looking for info for tonight.

Huh. Typo. Meant to say "jgordon" instead of you. I was continuing the thought from the previous sentence. Seems like an obvious enough typo, though, not sure why you'd pounce on it as aggressively as you did.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby jgordon1111 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:31 am

DoomYoshi wrote:Jgordon, the point of a BW (according to you, someone else can find the post if they don't believe me) is to gain information, not necessarily for a lynch. So, why must our bandwagon on you end in a lynch and no information?

By saying you refuse to claim, you are proving yourself wrong in the debate that dominated the early day. I just want to know what makes you so special that the rules of BW don't apply?


OMG,this is part of what I am talking about everyone trying to spread out and vote everyone else,people are quoting me on crap I have not said at all.

Doom I will start with you for example,LOL where did I even hint I would not claim.

All of you stop skimming and go back and read damn carefully what everyone has said. Thats another problem with everyone quoting each other all the time. the shit gets confusing as it is meant to be sometimes. One of mafia best tactics keep repeating qoutes that are super long to keep people from actually reading whats really going on.

Vote for me I will claim quick,lol real damn quick,some of you know it.

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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby jak111 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:33 am

That's not a simple typo everywhere. You mentioned at the end voting me in both games so you were thinking. So yes, I did 'pounce on it' for it is not an 'obvious typo' If it was a typo you would've fixed it in an EBWOP, but since you did not it is in no way obvious. Can anyone post a single yes or no whether in everywhere's post he MEANT to say jgordon?

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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby jgordon1111 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:36 am

LOL this is for those of you who think your powers of reasoning and deduction are so superior LOL Curt Lowens survivor poland. Now freaking lynch me or go to someone with scum tells.

Jesus I thought I was past the stage of getting pissed at you ever so arrogant a holes.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby chapcrap on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:38 am

jak111 wrote:Then we move to Chap:

chapcrap wrote:
jak111 wrote:Gi..give me till tomorrow afternoon to post guys. My friend just.. I'll be a day or two...

Is this trying to make fun of someone? I don't know.

However, I agree with was saf said about jak. More than anything, I think it's ridiculous that jak tries to guide the doctor for absolutely no reason. Guiding the doctor to a specific person is scummy in itself, because you need to guide the doctor on day 1 by giving them information to go on in general.

Not only is it ridiculous to guide the doctor to a specific person, it's even more ridiculous when the person in question is in no way proven to be town or be helpful to town.

AND, the reason given for saving him is even more absurd. If you have no idea what pmc's role is, how can you say that you need him to answer question about night intel? The whole thing is preposterous and makes me think that you are scum who is trying to guide the doctor into doing something predictable.

unvote vote jak


So this is a guy who quotes and and starts off with making fun of a guy when he's down, bravo sir. Real courageous.

Or perhaps I'm making him do the unpredictable, asking him to do one thing, scare off the scummies while he does another. But since everyone keeps pointing that out I guess it's useless whatever he does now, hmm? Now that I have to explain it it lets the scum know it's a trick. Bravo for not seeing a trap set for the scummies when it's right in front of you. Instead activating it publicly for the world to see.

By the way, how is saving PMC absurd? I do believe he's added a lot more intel then you at the moment. You're only points against me are that I tried to guide the doctor and start off your post with mockery. =D> ( :roll: )

First of all, I was not mocking you or making fun of you when you were down. You made an incoherent post that was unlike your other posts and no one had any idea what it was about. All I did, was ask if you were making fun of someone. Sounds to me like you're just trying to get people to have sympathy for you.

Secondly, don't try to bring your RL/online life into the game if you're going to rail me for not being active enough to this point. MY SON WAS BORN ON WEDNESDAY!!! He is three and a half days old, why do you think I wasn't more active at the beginning? So, if you're going to say that pmc has provided a lot more intel then me, I'd like you answer a couple of things:
  • What 'intel' has pmc provided?
  • Do you believe discussing meta game techniques is 'intel'?
  • What makes you so sure that pmc is town?

Third, you can say you were just trying to trick/WIFOM the mafia, but the real doctor may have not realized what you were trying to do and been stupid about it anyway. So, that's a ridiculous thing to say.


On to jgordon, the case seems ok, but not overwhelming to me. I do agree that his activity has been scummy though. After looking back at it, he seems to be waffling back and forth about everything and being very non-committal. That is scummy. For now, my vote stays on jak until he responds to my questions.

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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby chapcrap on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:40 am

jgordon1111 wrote:LOL this is for those of you who think your powers of reasoning and deduction are so superior LOL Curt Lowens survivor poland. Now freaking lynch me or go to someone with scum tells.

Jesus I thought I was past the stage of getting pissed at you ever so arrogant a holes.

Whoa! Calm down. Nothing is even happening quickly against you right now. Claiming survivor is an awful claim for you, IMO. Lynching a claimed survivor is a great move for town on Day 1.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby new guy1 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:44 am

I believe it. Born in Poland, was going to leave for USA but country was invaded the day of departure, realeased from Auschwitz, hes a literal Polish survivor. Plus his identity fits mine in a way, (gave a name and role instead of just a role). I for one think JG is being honest.

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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby everywhere116 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:48 am

jak111 wrote:That's not a simple typo everywhere. You mentioned at the end voting me in both games so you were thinking.
Oh, don't worry, I meant to vote for you. That wasn't an accident.
So yes, I did 'pounce on it' for it is not an 'obvious typo' If it was a typo you would've fixed it in an EBWOP, but since you did not it is in no way obvious.
If you noticed, I corrected the typo in green when I quoted you quoting me. See how the sentence makes much more sense now?

You're getting all worked up over a typo.
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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:53 am

Mine was a typo as well. I meant to say jak. My bad. However, it caused jgordon to claim and sealed his fate.

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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby SPARTACUS1974 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:55 am

jgordon1111 wrote:LOL this is for those of you who think your powers of reasoning and deduction are so superior LOL Curt Lowens survivor poland. Now freaking lynch me or go to someone with scum tells.

Jesus I thought I was past the stage of getting pissed at you ever so arrogant a holes.


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Re: Battle of the Bulge - Day 1

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:56 am

Jak, are you saying you don't have to claim because you soft-claimed? That is false IMO.
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