Psychology Mafia ~ Game Over, Mafia Victory

[jak111]

Vodean claimed edoc is somehow unhappy

precisely. he said he got a message telling him edoc is unhappy.

nothing about despair.

Despair is a form of unhappiness.

Mind you... Vodean's claim hardly narrows it down either..... Unhappy could be a NUMBER of things.

Fastposted.

[DiM]

Vodean claimed edoc is somehow unhappy

precisely. he said he got a message telling him edoc is unhappy.

nothing about despair.

uhuh, and?
isn't it the same thing?

it could have been anything from gloominess or grief to misery or sorrow.

the fact that you chose despair and mentioned suicide, made me thing of a jester trying to get lynched, so i kinda thought you might be giving us a clue here. so i was trying to get some sort of confirmation.

[jak111]

Vodean claimed edoc is somehow unhappy

precisely. he said he got a message telling him edoc is unhappy.

nothing about despair.

uhuh, and?
isn't it the same thing?

it could have been anything from gloominess or grief to misery or sorrow.

the fact that you chose despair and mentioned suicide, made me thing of a jester trying to get lynched, so i kinda thought you might be giving us a clue here. so i was trying to get some sort of confirmation.

Just a question... how do you expect him to confirm another person's role?

Also.. a Jester would never confirm himself otherwise he wouldn't be able to win.

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Vodean claimed edoc is somehow unhappy

precisely. he said he got a message telling him edoc is unhappy.

nothing about despair.

uhuh, and?
isn't it the same thing?

it could have been anything from gloominess or grief to misery or sorrow.

the fact that you chose despair and mentioned suicide, made me thing of a jester trying to get lynched, so i kinda thought you might be giving us a clue here. so i was trying to get some sort of confirmation.

Nah, sorry, I was just trying to add some drama.

[DiM]

Vodean claimed edoc is somehow unhappy

precisely. he said he got a message telling him edoc is unhappy.

nothing about despair.

uhuh, and?
isn't it the same thing?

it could have been anything from gloominess or grief to misery or sorrow.

the fact that you chose despair and mentioned suicide, made me thing of a jester trying to get lynched, so i kinda thought you might be giving us a clue here. so i was trying to get some sort of confirmation.

Just a question... how do you expect him to confirm another person's role?

Also.. a Jester would never confirm himself otherwise he wouldn't be able to win.

maybe just like vodean, she (/ is a girl, right?) received a message.
or maybe she's the one that sent vodean the message.

i didn't say she's the jester, the discussion was about edoc, remember?

anyway, today is monday (or at least it's monday in my part of the world) so edoc should be back really soon and hopefully he'll tell us why he's unhappy.

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I'm not a girl.
I didn't send vodean a message.

[safariguy5]

I just want to put it out there that I could very easily see love being a cult recruiter role. That with zimmah's very extensive and vigorous defense of himself makes me think he's desperately trying to get confirmed as town now so he can attack anyone who questions him again later as attacking a "town role". Build cred now to make it more difficult to attack him later.

Honestly, edoc being unhappy could mean something other than sadness. Ambition, Impatience, Frustration, Pity, could all be interpreted as unhappy. I'm not willing to jump to conclusions until edoc posts some clarification, but I think zimmah is trying to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts.

[pancakemix]

I'm still alive. Just throwing that out there.

I can understand zimmah's perspective on love, taking the Christian love as his example. That is, however, just one perspective. There's one word for "love" in English, and it's applied to a number of different types of "love", most of them positive.

More importantly, I believe there is the tendency for love to cause people to act irrationally. They don't think through their actions and often do foolish things, especially when love is rejected

What I'm getting at is that I think that love probably leans town, but has a high potential for turning sour quickly.

[edocsil]

Someone has directly twisted my action, I know this for two reasons. One, Zimmah would be defending me if my action went through, two I did not target Vode.

The other option is that Vode and Zim are scum, but major conspiracy plots are not my thing in this game.

I will avoid claiming if at all possible, but I'll give some tidbits to pacify (hopefully) you. I can target at night, but my action has zero possible negative effect. If my role is known it will be nearly useless. I WILL claim if forced, but it is going to come with a very large "I told you so."

Just got back from a rather draining vacation, it will be a day or two before I am able to make a serious case of my own. I am caught up, but I must digest everything to come to decent conclusions.

[zimmah]

Someone has directly twisted my action, I know this for two reasons. One, Zimmah would be defending me if my action went through, two I did not target Vode.

The other option is that Vode and Zim are scum, but major conspiracy plots are not my thing in this game.

I will avoid claiming if at all possible, but I'll give some tidbits to pacify (hopefully) you. I can target at night, but my action has zero possible negative effect. If my role is known it will be nearly useless. I WILL claim if forced, but it is going to come with a very large "I told you so."

Just got back from a rather draining vacation, it will be a day or two before I am able to make a serious case of my own. I am caught up, but I must digest everything to come to decent conclusions.

Edocsil describes a role very much like my own, so I can only really agree.

My night action can do absolutely no harm to anyone, but can be very powerfull, especially if no one knows what my power is.

Anyway, jak is pushing this too far. vote jak

[jak111]

Someone has directly twisted my action, I know this for two reasons. One, Zimmah would be defending me if my action went through, two I did not target Vode.

The other option is that Vode and Zim are scum, but major conspiracy plots are not my thing in this game.

I will avoid claiming if at all possible, but I'll give some tidbits to pacify (hopefully) you. I can target at night, but my action has zero possible negative effect. If my role is known it will be nearly useless. I WILL claim if forced, but it is going to come with a very large "I told you so."

Just got back from a rather draining vacation, it will be a day or two before I am able to make a serious case of my own. I am caught up, but I must digest everything to come to decent conclusions.

Edocsil describes a role very much like my own, so I can only really agree.

My night action can do absolutely no harm to anyone, but can be very powerfull, especially if no one knows what my power is.

Anyway, jak is pushing this too far. vote jak

Ooo, feisty... I'm pushing it too far when many are agreeing with me (Or around me XD) that love is not what you claim it to be? I am neither saying you're confirmed town nor mafia. Sure I think love is most LIKELY town, but that's my point of view and this is Mafia, so love being mafia or 3rd party I am not going to rule out, especially with how overly defensive of your ROLE you are getting.

If you get killed between now and the end of the game, to any "pure love" supporters out there and I'm still alive and you flip 3rd party or scum.. A big "I told you so" will await them.

Another thing I note about this comment is that you pretty much copycat what Edoc said "but can be very powerfull, especially if no one knows what my power is". I'm sure that can be said to quite a few roles. Like doc (who's now dead and was my first role thought on Love), Cop, Vig, Tracker, Watcher. All of those are powerful roles when going unnoticed by mafia, because then mafia will be careless with their actions. So the gambit on copycating Edoc's post isn't going to work on me.

I'm watching the others, but right now my focus is on you. You keep slipping up, and you've been here longer than I. You were in my first mafia game and you died early. You can't tell me they're noob mistakes, because if a newer person is noticing your slip ups.. then obviously you need to change something about your approach.

Until someone slips worse, someone brings forth incriminating evidence, or I hear an actual role claim from you. My vote lays on you bud.

[zimmah]

I never slipped anywhere, certain people are just constantly harassing me and trying to frame me.

I am quite an agresive player normally anyway.

Most of the roles you mentioned can have dangerous side effects, docs can protect mafia and prevent a vig from killing it, roleblocked can block other powers, watchers/trackers can accidentally out powers, etc.

My role can do no harm even if I wanted to.

[jak111]

I never slipped anywhere, certain people are just constantly harassing me and trying to frame me.

I am quite an agresive player normally anyway.

Most of the roles you mentioned can have dangerous side effects, docs can protect mafia and prevent a vig from killing it, roleblocked can block other powers, watchers/trackers can accidentally out powers, etc.

My role can do no harm even if I wanted to.

Somehow I doubt his. Unless you're a VT you CAN do harm. (Well.. maybe a bullet proof or hider might not do harm).

[vodean]

even a VT can do harm. but now zimmah and edoc are kinda using eachother as standing legs. they seem to be defending eachother so that neither of them has to claim or reveal anything. Im not happy with either of their "claims/clarifications". they are kinda blowing us off. and now zimmah placed a purely OMGUS vote on jak. that combined with the unhappy - which seems to be inherently negative - result, i think its enough to ask for a full claim from at least one of them. unvote vote zimmah

[zimmah]

even a VT can do harm. but now zimmah and edoc are kinda using eachother as standing legs. they seem to be defending eachother so that neither of them has to claim or reveal anything. Im not happy with either of their "claims/clarifications". they are kinda blowing us off. and now zimmah placed a purely OMGUS vote on jak. that combined with the unhappy - which seems to be inherently negative - result, i think its enough to ask for a full claim from at least one of them. unvote vote zimmah

Unvote vote myself,

And I will not post until you guys can actually play and reason on a somewhat reasonable level. What is this, mafia for beginners?

[jak111]

even a VT can do harm. but now zimmah and edoc are kinda using eachother as standing legs. they seem to be defending eachother so that neither of them has to claim or reveal anything. Im not happy with either of their "claims/clarifications". they are kinda blowing us off. and now zimmah placed a purely OMGUS vote on jak. that combined with the unhappy - which seems to be inherently negative - result, i think its enough to ask for a full claim from at least one of them. unvote vote zimmah

Unvote vote myself,

And I will not post until you guys can actually play and reason on a somewhat reasonable level. What is this, mafia for beginners?

You'd rather put yourself closer to lynch than claim?

[DiM]

You'd rather put yourself closer to lynch than claim?

i think he's trying to pull a yomiel but with far less drama

[lord voldemort]

Cough. Played way more mafia than you zimmah

[zimmah]

Cough. Played way more mafia than you zimmah

i don't care, you're playing like a retard, everyone has been picking on me the whole game long for no reason.

please replace me.

i love this game, i like the mod, but clearly you guys don't want to play with me in a normal fashion.

it's pretty sad as i liked this game, but t's not funny if we're going in circles and noone can really be rational at all.

[DiM]

my fair maiden, i beg thee to chill
don't take things personal or you'll get mad all the time in these games.
i get mad too when i see people just don't get my pov but then i always remember they don't know all i know, their perspective is different and on top of that they might even have a hidden agenda. on more than one occasion i've seen a townie go head to head against another townie accusing each other of being scum simply because they were both stubborn and didn't accept that they didn't know all the facts.

the worst part is when you're town and you say something that might be interpreted as scummy without even realising it. and then people make a big fuss over this (especially in the early stages when proof is scarce) and there's really nothing you can do to clear yourself. other than a claim that will probably get you killed at night. i find this situation to be the most frustrating.

but i guess in the end that's what makes mafia great.

[zimmah]

my fair maiden, i beg thee to chill
don't take things personal or you'll get mad all the time in these games.
i get mad too when i see people just don't get my pov but then i always remember they don't know all i know, their perspective is different and on top of that they might even have a hidden agenda. on more than one occasion i've seen a townie go head to head against another townie accusing each other of being scum simply because they were both stubborn and didn't accept that they didn't know all the facts.

the worst part is when you're town and you say something that might be interpreted as scummy without even realising it. and then people make a big fuss over this (especially in the early stages when proof is scarce) and there's really nothing you can do to clear yourself. other than a claim that will probably get you killed at night. i find this situation to be the most frustrating.

but i guess in the end that's what makes mafia great.

it's just not funny though if almost the whole player base is beating on every single move the entire game, especially while i'm trying to be helpful, and there is no reason for anyone to act like they do.

especially when things happen like what happened yesterday, there's a big bandwagon against me and than safariguy sais: "well if you did just dd and that than i'd would be fine" and just a few posts prior to that i did do exactly what he suggested i should do. and still they forced me to name claim, and even after that claim, they are now still suspicious of me, for no reason at all. and they are actually defending sadness, which is likely a negative emotion.

i mean, i may not be the greatest example of love in real life, especially when i'm angered, but in this game, i am love.

[edocsil]

Guys. Piss off on the zimmah hate. He has claimed love. There is no point in asking for more. Once I get through a read tonight, one of you guys pushing the most meta crap about "twisted" love is going to get the vote.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count

Zimmah (3) - jak, vodean, zimmah

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline in 4 days.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count

Zimmah (3) - jak, vodean, zimmah

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline in 4 days.

Clarification: deadline will be late friday night

[jak111]

Guys. Piss off on the zimmah hate. He has claimed love. There is no point in asking for more. Once I get through a read tonight, one of you guys pushing the most meta crap about "twisted" love is going to get the vote.

^ Now I think we're getting somewhere. Anything you know that we do not Edoc? So far we've been playing normally and there isn't a bit of hate in this thread (Not to my knowledge), just people playing the game and working with what they got.

But no no, this is great, I feel a slip coming up from someone soon. Feeling nervous? Is pressuring a scum mate starting to weigh in on ya?

(I do realize Zimmah may be serious, but this is Mafia, not a place to decide you're gonna call hate crimes on anyone who suspects you).

Going off THAT note, it's a few of us putting down the fact that you said love HAS to be a pure emotion. That's pretty much where everything is generating from my part. You're trying to say something is pure so you can get off scot free from suspicion. Before Edoc goes around flapping his mouth (Don't you enjoy the detailed commentary?) about how everyone is doing some hate speeches or whatever on a player. All the pressure he's receiving, all the criticism, is mostly coming from what he tried to pull off and claiming that he only can be town.

Change your pov Edoc, you know on a regular day, you'd agree that anyone claiming they are 100% town off of pure flavor spec is scummy as hell. Without investigations or facts, of course we're gonna keep going on what we got so far.