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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby Metsfanmax on Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:24 am

ga7 wrote:Doom finally makes his big reveal after having been hopping up and down most of the game, and not only you somehow get the impression that he's a night cop (the words "day cop" appear twice in his claim),


I didn't get the impression that he was a night cop. When I was quoting the post in which I made the mistake, he was only referred to as a "cop" and so when I had the idea about forcing him to investigate I momentarily forgot he was a day cop. Notice that my correction was posted literally in the same minute, so there's no way to argue that I didn't understand he was a day cop.

you thought his investigation power was still unused. When Strike erroneously tells you he already investigated Benga, you take it at face value.


I didn't take it at face value. My post, "Wait, then I missed that. Which post is this?", was skeptical of his claim, but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt in case either I did somehow miss DY saying he investigated Benga, or something else strange was happening. Note that it's precisely because I asked about this that we found out for sure that DY investigated IB and not Benga. I've been pushing hard the whole time to clear up this shit with DoomYoshi instead of obfuscate it, so your argument that I'm trying to distract people is absurd.
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:50 am

You have two choices...
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby Metsfanmax on Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:21 am

I'm not going to claim at L-3.
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:47 am

Anarkistsdream wrote:[size=200]Official Vote

Alright, it has officially dropped to [b]SEVEN
(7) to lynch!

It will drop to SIX (6) in around 24 hours...s! :D


That was three days ago...
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:52 pm

metsfan has been making minor slips all game. it could just be us over-reacting. i think flores is the better candidate with her deliberate scummy behavior
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby new guy1 on Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:48 pm

IMO, if the only thing we are pressuring metsfanmax for is that he posted a mistake and then corrected it (like mets said, a minute later), then I would say we should probably drop the case. Whats the point of giving him the chance to defend if his defense makes sense and he still has to claim? I may be missing something, but I feel like if there was something else that mets had not answered, ga7 would have had it in the same post.

Free metsfan! Enough chanting.

gregwolf121 wrote:yes i'm in the game, but have a bad case of homework, which left me busier than i thought i would be. should be calming down though. as for the various cases not sure yet, i'm still forming my opinions, ummm basically its day 1, and we have day 1 cases.
however, with two claims already out there, and one of them a daycop, it may just be time to end the day rather than risk exposing more town roles,


I like this post, because we have two claims in a fifteen player game, and you guys want a third? I feel like this day should have been less immediate voting, more asking ourselves "Is this case actually worth a claim", because I have never seen a game on this site (only been around a couple years, but still) that we get to the statement above (we have two claims, lets stop?) and we kept going. We always stopped, which makes me wonder why we kept going anyways. Oh well, just a couple things mulling around in my head. I wasnt defending mets, btw, its basically my reason that Im not voting him. The second half about the two claims was speculation, but it could just be paranoia. I only brought it up, though, because at this point in the day, I dont want another claim, and so I have to give something else to think about. (I do my explaining in my post, so sorry if this was just incredibly boring to read :P).
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:09 pm

This is the problem you run into with a descending lynch number. Is the Mets case strong? Depends on your point of view, but multiple people have mentioned his slip ups and problems this day. Now, it seems he has chosen to ignore the typical protocol of claiming at L-2. Is this L-2 normal? No. Is it still L-2? Is he still in danger of being lynched? Yes. Does he help town by not claiming and getting hung for it? No. Will he die tonight if he reveals his role? No. (well, insert your own WIFOM here.) So, what does he gain by NOT claiming?

He's tripped my radar. I'd like to find out why. I will be sad if he takes the stubborn way out and gets hung because he doesn't claim. However, my experience tells me that town will share their information before being hung. I wish he'd do it soon, so we can unvote, if he is town power.

On the other hand, those of you sitting on the fences could save him yourselves...

...or just sit on the sideline, and then cast blame around tomorrow (sarcasm).
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby Anarkistsdream on Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:59 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:Official Vote Count

Floresdelmal (2)-Benga, DoomYoshi
Metsfanmax (4)-Neb, FloresdelMal, Iron Butterfly, ga7
Strike Wolf (1) - Virus90
Safariguy5 (1) - kratos644


Alright, it has officially dropped to SIX (6) to lynch!

It will drop to FIVE (5) February 16th, Sunday, at noon!



I have the next two days off, folks, so I will be way more attentive... Black History Month is a real bugger for me.

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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby new guy1 on Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:24 pm

Nebuchadnezer wrote:This is the problem you run into with a descending lynch number. Is the Mets case strong? Depends on your point of view, but multiple people have mentioned his slip ups and problems this day. Now, it seems he has chosen to ignore the typical protocol of claiming at L-2. Is this L-2 normal? No. Is it still L-2? Is he still in danger of being lynched? Yes. Does he help town by not claiming and getting hung for it? No. Will he die tonight if he reveals his role? No. (well, insert your own WIFOM here.) So, what does he gain by NOT claiming?

He's tripped my radar. I'd like to find out why. I will be sad if he takes the stubborn way out and gets hung because he doesn't claim. However, my experience tells me that town will share their information before being hung. I wish he'd do it soon, so we can unvote, if he is town power.

On the other hand, those of you sitting on the fences could save him yourselves...

...or just sit on the sideline, and then cast blame around tomorrow (sarcasm).


While I understand the L-2 protocol, and I understand the tripping of your radar, I dont think you got my main reason for not voting. It wasnt only because I dont like the case, it is because we have two claims already, and I feel like more would just be a benefit to the mafia. I dont like the idea of another claim, but Im confused as to how we would end the day in a lynch without another claim. I suppose I withdraw my statement, as I was thinking more in the mindset of too many claims rather than ending the day with a lynch...
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby strike wolf on Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:50 pm

Alright, I've been working on other things on the site and haven't really gotten around to posting. Overall, I think the Metsfan case is reasonably strong. However, I am tempted to agree with New guy and others that with a day cop and a double voter claimed, it may be better at this point to vote no lynch rather than press the Mets case. My hesitancy here is the effect that cops with alternate sanities, millers, investigation immunities and framers/busdrivers (unlikely if this is an SK game) may have on the information we collect about Metsfan and others. In a normal game this wouldn't bother me as much but as has been pointed out this game does have a high potential for them. A possibility to get around some of this would be to rely instead on Doomyoshi's day cop ability for day 2 but then we are limiting our choices on Doomyoshi's investigations (presumably we would not limit the others as they would simply pick other targets knowing that Mets was slated for investigation which would actually be preferable to having two or three investigative roles target one role this early in the game) and Doomyoshi's investigations would still be subject to millers and investigation immunities. I had more to say but I seem to have lost my train of thought...hmm I wonder why?
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:59 am

Here's the problem. If nobody unvotes, Mets dies. I don't see why anyone voting him would unvote. He's being dodgy at this point. So, you can talk all you want about "getting a third claim"...but Mets doesn't seem likely to comply anyway, and will therefore hang for it. It's a shitty position for Mets, but living is better than dying...unless you're scum. Then, please do not claim.
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby ga7 on Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:07 am

Metsfanmax wrote:I didn't get the impression that he was a night cop. When I was quoting the post in which I made the mistake, he was only referred to as a "cop" and so when I had the idea about forcing him to investigate I momentarily forgot he was a day cop. Notice that my correction was posted literally in the same minute, so there's no way to argue that I didn't understand he was a day cop.

you thought his investigation power was still unused. When Strike erroneously tells you he already investigated Benga, you take it at face value.


I didn't take it at face value. My post, "Wait, then I missed that. Which post is this?", was skeptical of his claim, but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt in case either I did somehow miss DY saying he investigated Benga, or something else strange was happening. Note that it's precisely because I asked about this that we found out for sure that DY investigated IB and not Benga. I've been pushing hard the whole time to clear up this shit with DoomYoshi instead of obfuscate it, so your argument that I'm trying to distract people is absurd.

Did I say distracting? No, I said distracted (though both are kinda true :P). The fact you changed your take quickly (and it's not like people didn't set you straight first) is irrelevant when it's quite obvious you did some heavy skimming managing not once, not twice but three times to not read Doom's post. This one, btw:
DoomYoshi wrote:I am the day-cop, in the post where I quoted IB, I wrote that he is innocent. Because people tend to miss things like that, I directed you to that post in my next one. When I flipped day-cop, someone was supposed to look for the clues. Clearly, nobody would have been able to.

Remind me why people are voting for me again? Oh, right, no reason at all.

vote flores


Now, if you claim to have him on ignore list, I would understand, but it's gonna be tough to play mafia like that :lol:
You say clear shit up, I say reluctant to unvote the claimed cop AND trying to direct his investigation which seems way more scummy than anything else. I mean, this post:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:His claim seems solid.


In a 15 player game with a possible third party group, it's not nearly enough to clear him as town. He could be using a fakeclaim name.

Screams of bad intent to me. Did you even check Frederick Abberline's claim before making this post? Or is it as Neb said, disbelieve first, think later?

Newguy, the fact your argument makes more sense than any of Mets' defense speaks by itself. Yes, it might be bad to get another town role out but so far only Doom's relevant and he claimed himself without much sense. I'd rather have another claim because it could be a fake one, rather than wait for a cop to spoonfeed town. That's not how town can hope to catch a godfather-type scum, for instance... (the thought just occured to me that it would be pretty funny for Jack to be investigative-proof :-$).

Strike, I feel you came full circle in your post and made it clearer than I why we can't rely only on cop investigations lol
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby Anarkistsdream on Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:49 pm

Official Vote Count

Floresdelmal (2)-Benga, DoomYoshi
Metsfanmax (4)-Neb, FloresdelMal, Iron Butterfly, ga7
Strike Wolf (1) - Virus90
Safariguy5 (1) - kratos644


Alright, it has officially dropped to FIVE (5) to lynch!

If you all want an extension, it needs to be decided upon rather quickly...

Tomorrow, around noon, it will basically kill Mets...

I will check back throughout today and see what is up.
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby safariguy5 on Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:38 pm

I think that a claimed daycop would be pretty strong, and the strongest piece of evidence against mets would be his questioning of the role. I think it's interesting that he attacks the flavor and not the role, which indicates to me that he's trying to discredit the weaker part of the claim as much as he can. I'm willing to drop the hammer if needed, pending a claim by mets.
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:56 pm

safariguy5 wrote:I think that a claimed daycop would be pretty strong, and the strongest piece of evidence against mets would be his questioning of the role. I think it's interesting that he attacks the flavor and not the role, which indicates to me that he's trying to discredit the weaker part of the claim as much as he can. I'm willing to drop the hammer if needed, pending a claim by mets.


His silence is saying plenty...at least for me.
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby Anarkistsdream on Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:33 am

TWELVE AND ONE HALF HOURS UNTIL METSFAN IS LYNCHED!

This game is crazy hardcore.
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby ga7 on Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:24 am

Nebuchadnezer wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:I think that a claimed daycop would be pretty strong, and the strongest piece of evidence against mets would be his questioning of the role. I think it's interesting that he attacks the flavor and not the role, which indicates to me that he's trying to discredit the weaker part of the claim as much as he can. I'm willing to drop the hammer if needed, pending a claim by mets.


His silence is saying plenty...at least for me.


Indeed. Won't be able to unvote now, but Mets had plenty of chances to claim. Jack...pot? :D
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:23 am

ga7 wrote: Jack...pot? :D


That pun is murder.

new guy, if you wanted to save claims there is a good way.
I notice you gripe about a third claim coming up but do not take steps to remedy the situation.
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby Anarkistsdream on Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:00 pm

AND THAT'S THE END OF DAY ONE!

Lynch scene coming up in a few minutes.
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Day 1 begins on Pg 4

Postby Anarkistsdream on Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:11 pm

A long and tiring day was ending in the neighborhood of Whitechapel. Claims from two had turned the case off of them, but that still left thirteen more. Thirteen people who could be committing these horrible crimes. And were the claims from the other two even valid? What evidence could be found throughout the day and into the night?

Metsfanmax is forcefully grabbed by four members of the community. Neb, FloresdelMal, Iron Butterfly, and ga7 quickly make a noose out of Metsfan's cravat and throw it around the nearest signpost. And like that, life is snuffed out. Going through the pockets of the recently deceased, positive identification is found.

Metsfanmax is/was Peter Tennial, a member of good standing in the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee. He was a father and husband, and a good friend to many of the poor and downtrodden in the area.

Thus begins NIGHT ONE in the case of the Whitechapel Murders. You have 48 hours from the moment of this post, which makes it around 12:15 pm my time. So, Wednesday at my lunchtime, Day 2 will begin.

SEND IN YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS! PLEASE KEEP THE NIGHT SPAM TO A MINIMUM!
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Night One!

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:00 pm

Sorry for not posting -- was out of town for the weekend. Have fun, y'all.
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Night One!

Postby benga on Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:19 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:Sorry for not posting -- was out of town for the weekend. Have fun, y'all.


eh Peter. sad to see you go, reminder for me on 8 :oops:

time for zzzzzzzzzzzz
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Night One!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:55 pm

Nine people have sent in their action...

I hope the other six of you do soon!
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Night One!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:01 pm

Oh, and I have a really busy day out of the office, tomorrow, we are going to say night is officially over at 5pm CST American. That means the Day Two scene will be up shortly thereafter....
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Re: The Whitechapel Murderer- Night One!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:17 am

Scene up later today! Sorry ladies and gents... Been a crazy week.
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