[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[StorrZerg]

I don t really know how mafia games are played elsewhere, but badically here the mod makes up a storyline. You know in what universe you are moving through and trying to connect the dots is part of the fun.

Anyway, rugbirn, i think you are trying to be too precise, stopping at 18 is irrelevant because there are obviously some characters not in the game and others that are and not mentioned.
What was the name of that logistics brunette? I d put her in gus s mafia gang, no doubt, and could be a mafia busdriver, just a thought.

X stor. Mind quoting from anarkist? I have no opinion on your case as it s not factual. Basically you re voting for him because he s been rubbing your back a bit too much right? If you want to start a serious case you better quote to start a bandwagon.

before i quote his posts, ill answer some questions that you brought up.
lets pretend this game is blank, no connection to BB it has the same set up regarding mafia 3p etc. With no theme for talk. you have to go some place. That some place is having people post opinions on others, getting people to push etc. Sure you could say "you could make a case on anyone." With more cases, we can try and find the people who are "forcing the case" people who seem to have "towny mindset"

To end with that, i can continue with one of the easier ways to lynch someone. Inactive lynches. Those players are checked out, not contributing. Many players in this game have said they like to pressure inactives. Others have voiced how they don't believe inactives to be helpful to town.

Also at another point, regarding "factual information" It is day 1, we will not have "factual information today" A cop isn't going to claim with checks, one is going to claim they have done something because there has been no time yet. So for someone to say "you don't have an facts for that lynch" it really hurts. It hurts because it doesn't help discussion. If you want to defend them, then do so, say why you disagree, where such person did good etc, or add on to the case etc. But saying something as simple as "no fact" like... how are we going to lynch ANYONE with out PUSHING and VOTING. again MANY people have said they would push inactives, and i would like them to do so.

[StorrZerg]

explaining more to my case. His quotes + thoughts. (after his confirm)
i'm going to skip his early posts, as they are related to the "joking" early game

I have seen the series up until about mid-5th season, I got bored then.

Vote: IamCaffeine...

Freaking communist

@x-stor-x..... I like you, guy... Someone else that is as big of a douche as I am!

@Nagerous.... You voted me? Why, Gus Fring??? I mean... You aren't Gus.... That was a lie!

A LIE!

A slight opinion is given. Seems normal. responds jokingly to Nagerous

X-stor, push their buttons, dude... PUSH THEIR BUTTONS!



No but seriously... You are playing the game a little too fast and loose. Jumping on everyone's back is just a way to get yourself lynched, regardless of your alignment.

And, on that note, I am gonna go smoke some meth.

Giving general advice. (can be done as any alignment) again i said before, the last comment is weird.

its baffling how people are not reading my case on iamcaffeine, specially my conclusion on if i think he is town or mafia.

Plenty can develop, the fact that you ignore the people i have called scum, and you are not talking about baffles me.

plz read the thread before you post, sorry if this is insulting but honestly.

Honestly, that makes you sound a bit prickish... Be good or....

More advice

i said my read on iamcaffeine was neutral, and i've had several people take that as my #1 scum push.

sorry if im annoyed with people

and doesn't matter if im a prick or annoying or rude. Sorry if it makes your game less pleasant but i stated, im here to catch scum

It's a game first and foremost. Do not attempt to dismiss that or act superior... You seriously need to take a moment to realize what you are saying... Everything thing is cool, but the insults and inconsideration needs to go, bro.

Ends with advice.

SO in regards to this question you asked (betiko)
"he s been rubbing your back a bit too much right?"

My issue is he has been ONLY rubbing my back. Or only joking. He has not given his own opinion on another player in regards to mafia, or town. He appears to be floating by this game. Possibly using his reputation to slide by, say a few words with out meaning. He has avoided inserting himself into discussion.

So Obviously i can quote the stuff i want to quote, and leave out other post of his. (one of the nice things is he is the first to pop up when sorting with author) I suggest people skim his posts too, see if they like what he is saying etc. Ask yourself is this a town Anarkistsdream or a mafia Anarkistsdream? I really don't want to be stonewalled again with "you have no facts"

[superkeener]

I like the setup talk as well, however it is all speculation at this point. We will continue to put the pieces together. However, a tentative foundation of possible roles is also a plus.

To mod: Is there anyway we can get a post count or something similar so we can see the inactives to get the proddings started?

[cooldeals]

I'm curious to hear from these people....

Die hard Vets, been here forever(okay, just longer than me)!
2. Anarkistdream
5. Betiko
6. Mob Deadly
10. Pancakemix
11. Floresdesmal
12. Rodion
13. Theforgivenone
15. Nagerous
17. Iron Butterfly

....if they think Anarkistdream's play seems odd to them for his normal D1 style. X-Stor's case on his own with no knowledge of how he plays doesn't hold much weight in my book.

[betiko]

I'm curious to hear from these people....

Die hard Vets, been here forever(okay, just longer than me)!
2. Anarkistdream
5. Betiko
6. Mob Deadly
10. Pancakemix
11. Floresdesmal
12. Rodion
13. Theforgivenone
15. Nagerous
17. Iron Butterfly

....if they think Anarkistdream's play seems odd to them for his normal D1 style. X-Stor's case on his own with no knowledge of how he plays doesn't hold much weight in my book.

out of that list I have never played with anarkist, flores (irrelevant now) and don't think i did with nagerous (if he did he was awfully quiet or replaced or killed early). Jonty is the one participating in every single game on CC. He's being very inactive by the way till now.

regarding xstor: the claims have to fit the flavour, the general setup has to make sense with a storyline that we know.of course it helps. not to mention that we allhave a piece of the puzzle concerning the setup. you always learn little things revealed because someone assumed everybody knew about this or that. all the intel will help town and mafia, it' true, but given that town can only discuss these things in the daytime while mafia can exchange ideas in the night, we might as well do it in the open (some townies could be masoned, though I don't really see how it could fit the flavour).

so regarding anarkist: yeah he isn't getting involved much and is just giving you (friendly and good ) advice. I wouldn't mind to see him taking sides a bit more.

regarding super's question:
haven't counted (think someone said he was?) but out of the had, the people currently contributing the least are TFO, jonty and virus. rodion of course but he's too buisy shacking his booty for the brasilian carnival... and always does that on day 1.
nag and neb contributing a little morewouldn't hurt either.

[TheForgivenOne]

I'm curious to hear from these people....

Die hard Vets, been here forever(okay, just longer than me)!
2. Anarkistdream
5. Betiko
6. Mob Deadly
10. Pancakemix
11. Floresdesmal
12. Rodion
13. Theforgivenone
15. Nagerous
17. Iron Butterfly

....if they think Anarkistdream's play seems odd to them for his normal D1 style. X-Stor's case on his own with no knowledge of how he plays doesn't hold much weight in my book.

From my knowledge of his playstyle (Which is limited), he seems to be acting different. He was usually in X-Stor's position, which was trying to come up with as many leads as possible. I do think Stor has a bit of a case on him.

Vote: Anark. I think if he even got a PR (which no one else has), I think he's be a bit more aggressive than he is.

(Side note, work is kicking my ass.)

[pancakemix]

regarding xstor: the claims have to fit the flavour, the general setup has to make sense with a storyline that we know.of course it helps. not to mention that we allhave a piece of the puzzle concerning the setup. you always learn little things revealed because someone assumed everybody knew about this or that. all the intel will help town and mafia, it' true, but given that town can only discuss these things in the daytime while mafia can exchange ideas in the night, we might as well do it in the open (some townies could be masoned, though I don't really see how it could fit the flavour).

I think his point is that this game could exist in its current form without the theme attached. I've often considered hosting a game that's exactly the same as a previously played setup, just to see what happens.

On Nark: He is usually among the more aggressive than this. Oftentimes when someone new comes along they get pushed out by our xenophobia, so it seems he's trying to avoid that (and I am as well) which would explain his actions thus far, but I'd like to hear his response.

[jonty125]

[quote="betiko"] Jonty is the one participating in every single game on CC. He's being very inactive by the way till now.ote]

He's posted most days, it's just that with X-Stor-X posting everytime the wind changes direction, it makes him less active by comparison.

And after typing this he realises he has become a strange combination of José Mourinho & Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz, must be the meth.

[StorrZerg]

well jonty125 what do you think of the case i have made?

if you don't like it, who would be someone you want to lynch?

[Anarkistsdream]

UnVote

Vote anarkistsdream

So my small case on you good sir.
I say good sir, because you have been doing manner posting specially in regards to myself. Trying to "do good" to myself. General advice etc.

My problem is, it is not alignment indicative, you could be doing this as any role. Besides "liking my play" (maybe it has changed) you really have not voiced yourself in any discussion regarding who you think is scum, or town.

There is also the line from you which intrigues me.
"Gonna go smoke some meth"
would you mind explaining this?

My issue is he has been ONLY rubbing my back. Or only joking. He has not given his own opinion on another player in regards to mafia, or town. He appears to be floating by this game. Possibly using his reputation to slide by, say a few words with out meaning. He has avoided inserting himself into discussion.

So Obviously i can quote the stuff i want to quote, and leave out other post of his. (one of the nice things is he is the first to pop up when sorting with author) I suggest people skim his posts too, see if they like what he is saying etc. Ask yourself is this a town Anarkistsdream or a mafia Anarkistsdream? I really don't want to be stonewalled again with "you have no facts"

Whew! Had to catch up...

As far as being inactive, you will even see I hadn't posted for the last two days in the game I am RUNNING... Let alone playing... I work at a civil rights museum and this is Black History Month... Whereas I usually have a little bit of downtime each day, this month destroys us... Also, I am involved with some litigation against the state... So..... Yeah.

In any case, I AM the one who usually is super super aggressive. I love that play style... I have turned a few people off of mafia by acting like that, and, well, I don't give a shit. Grow a pair is all I can say...

So, now we get into the meat and potatoes...

Gonna go smoke some meth... Well, you know... That's what the characters do on this show... So..... Keeping with the theme??? I have actually dropped a few hints throughout my posts about my identity... Most likely only die hard fans will understand the references...

But, as I have said in every game since I have come back in August, "I am NEVER scum." And, so far, I have not lied. Now, of course everyone is going to freak out on me and say, "You know we can't meta," but let's put it like this...

"I have no powers... I only vote." If you guys lynch me, you won't really be missing out on anything, besides my sexy presence. And it may even help you find some scum. But, in the end, what you would do is cut down the number of townies by one, and I highly recommend against that.

As for not giving my opinion yet on anybody... I usually only badger the new folks... Since you are doing such a fine job of that yourself, why jump in and just confuse the situation?

[nagerous]

Haha, class act as always, you are always one to outfox the new players.

[nagerous]

Vote x-stor

To be honest, I have taken exception to his play - trying to control the town/being forceful with his views, and his attempts to control the games momentum.

His influence is questionable and I honestly question if the way he is playing is constructive or just creating a negative environment for the other players, at the moment I am just not comfortable with his style of play, which is pushy and very forceful.

Again my big issue with setup talk, it just feels way to beneficial for mafia.

And again, you are not the only one with an opinion on this issue. I disagree with you. Please stop telling everyone else to only play your way.

This, I agree with and neb made some good points as well on the last page too and I feel it is worthy of a vote from my general direction.

[nagerous]

Vote x-stor

To be honest, I have taken exception to his play - trying to control the town/being forceful with his views, and his attempts to control the games momentum.

His influence is questionable and I honestly question if the way he is playing is constructive or just creating a negative environment for the other players, at the moment I am just not comfortable with his style of play, which is pushy and very forceful.

Again my big issue with setup talk, it just feels way to beneficial for mafia.

And again, you are not the only one with an opinion on this issue. I disagree with you. Please stop telling everyone else to only play your way.

This, I agree with and neb made some good points as well on the last page too and I feel it is worthy of a vote from my general direction.

[superkeener]

As for not giving my opinion yet on anybody... I usually only badger the new folks... Since you are doing such a fine job of that yourself, why jump in and just confuse the situation?

Is this you softclaiming the role of "Badger"?

[superkeener]

I have actually dropped a few hints throughout my posts about my identity... Most likely only die hard fans will understand the references...
...
As for not giving my opinion yet on anybody... I usually only badger the new folks... Since you are doing such a fine job of that yourself, why jump in and just confuse the situation?

Is this you softclaiming the role of "Badger"?

[jonty125]

I didn't realise we all had to double post or maybe it's the meth making me see double. I don't think you have a case on Nark, X-Stor-X, quite frankly, you case revolves around Nark is not taking a stance. Now that could be scummy, but the cases here are so whimiscal it's like looking at a shirt, and deciding it's green but is #00FF00 or #00FE00, so he's perfectly obliged not to take a stance, and is probably been more useful by telling you to calm down because this game is turning into the tonight show with your host X-Stor-X. On tonight's show X-Stor-X is very agressive and eventually grates everyone's nerves so much that he gets lynched.

"I have no powers... I only vote." If you guys lynch me, you won't really be missing out on anything, besides my sexy presence. And it may even help you find some scum. But, in the end, what you would do is cut down the number of townies by one, and I highly recommend against that.

Is this sarcasm, or are you generally claiming VT?

[Anarkistsdream]

Is this sarcasm, or are you generally claiming VT?

I mean it completely, friend...

[StorrZerg]

Well Anarkistsdream, not gonna lie. I had a feeling about the claim. Yet to just claim, with out answering any questions in regards to who you would like to lynch, who are people you think are town.


and to others, is something he does normally? Does he normally bread crumb and claim like this?

[StorrZerg]

I would love if someone would comment on nagerous, case against myself.

If they like it, if so Why, if they don't like it, Why.

[betiko]

Unvote vote nark
Seriously, wtf man? What a daft move. There s no vote count but basically, you just softclaim badger, vt just after a vote or 2? You know that if we find a VT we ll have no prob lynching you, a lot to gain and not that much yo lose.
Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

Xstor s case on you was sloppy but what you did in response is extremely scummy!

[Anarkistsdream]

Unvote vote nark
Seriously, wtf man? What a daft move. There s no vote count but basically, you just softclaim badger, vt just after a vote or 2? You know that if we find a VT we ll have no prob lynching you, a lot to gain and not that much yo lose.
Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

Xstor s case on you was sloppy but what you did in response is extremely scummy!

So you admit that you would rather lynch a VT then keep him around? And you say I look scummy...

As for saying I was badger... That isn't what I did at all... I dropped clues in previous posts, not the one I was replying in...

Haven't people heard the term "badgering the witness?"

[betiko]

Unvote vote nark
Seriously, wtf man? What a daft move. There s no vote count but basically, you just softclaim badger, vt just after a vote or 2? You know that if we find a VT we ll have no prob lynching you, a lot to gain and not that much yo lose.
Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

Xstor s case on you was sloppy but what you did in response is extremely scummy!

So you admit that you would rather lynch a VT then keep him around? And you say I look scummy...

As for saying I was badger... That isn't what I did at all... I dropped clues in previous posts, not the one I was replying in...

Haven't people heard the term "badgering the witness?"

Between risking to lynch a PR and lynching a claimed VT, no doubt, i go for the claimed VT. Obviously the scum's favorite when it comes to fake claim.
Still plenty of time, but this is by far the scummiest thing I ve seen so far in this game.
If you are a VT, well mafia won t target you and you re increasing the odds the hit a PR at night. It s a really daft move to claim VT if you don t have to.

[Anarkistsdream]

We will see how it pans out. Your excessive outrage at my tactics though...well, it makes you either 1) look like you are such a townie that you can't believe it (which generally makes you scum) or 2) look naïve...

Your pick, bro.

The only thing that matters is that, in the end, town wins, no matter what characters or players are left alive.

[cooldeals]

What I really want to know is who X-Stor wants to lynch at this stage in the game and why? It's an intersting question he's asking everyone but I'm not sure if his case on anarkist is his answer to his own question or not. Once I know his answer I have a few more question to ask.

[cooldeals]

Was fp by Anark and betiko

I have to say that softclaiming in a game with 18 people after 2 votes does seem rather odd. I've never seen someone do that unless they had key information to give. Once you claim that far you essentially should have claimed the whole way too. It's amazing how X-Stor really did get a claim by pressuring all by himself!