Mass Effect 1 - Thorian (Cult) Wins!

[DoomYoshi]

Being aggressive is another trait of gf
With all nonsense coming out of your mouth, I still haven't heard you say why you are pro town

So if he is cop, he should claim so the scum can kill him? I don't get your logic either benga.

One thing which bothers me... is that Jail-keeper can be of any alignment, so your claim maybe also isn't pro town and maybe you're sided with Caff, playing good cop bad cop strategy so he can claim something and then you've cleared you both as town... I don't like it.

You are might be on to something Dakky, Benga saying he jailed Caff would put a target on himself,scum would probably get rid of anyone that has that power unless Benga is lying.@ Doom have no good picks at this time, what do you think?

My vote stands for itself. I could also agree to a caff lynch as the deadline approaches.

I am wondering why you have no picks when you say it doesn't look good for caff. You haven't cast a vote or made a case all game. You are being non-productive.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Sure, let's jail me again and (a) watch someone else die (since if I was mafia, you would also presume someone else would just lead the kill like Samlen said) or (b) jail me again and watch mafia no kill and I get framed and you make a huge mistake.

Or, y'know, people could stop being stupid and we could actually hunt for the mafia. Those were afk most of D1 are seemingly still afk.

Someone else is likely to die anyway. As far as numbers go, we're ahead, but whether that's due to the block or save on you I'm unsure. Your rebuttals have been aggressive, but i don't have a meta for you. My own rebuttals have been aggressive in the past.

You should know well enough that I'm an aggressive person.

And that's fine. Acting like you aren't the most suspicious person, though, is a bit of a stretch. You'll have to admit that a claimed jailkeep against you and the lack of a death clearly puts you in a tenuous position.

-Tails

[benga]

I am saying his defense is I am confident and aggressive, that doesn't say he is pro town.
If he isn't lynched I will be forced to jail him again to prove the point.
If there are no kills either the next night, it should be clear that he is GF.
Unless there is some other reason for this turn of events?

[Ragian]

Or at least puts you so much on the spot that you are expected to bring something else to the table rather than a detailed description of your own style.

[DirtyDishSoap]

(1) Skittles - DY
(2) iAmCaffeine - Benga, Dakky

With 17 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

[iAmCaffeine]

I'm not claiming unless I'm forced to, so let's wait for a vote count from DDS (hint hint). Yes mafia often say "I'm not claiming" but I will claim should the need arise. I'd rather not currently since there are lots of people alive, I don't know how many town power roles there are and we literally have very little clue as to the ability and/or numbers of third parties. I do believe benga is legit a town jailer, I just think he's enabled tunnel vision and it's ruining any kind of logical thinking he once had. The argument of "we'll jail you again to prove it" is shit since if I was mafia a different member would just make the kill. However, it stops us getting more information as town, both because you don't get to jail someone else and learn from that, and I don't get to do anything with my abilities either. I can 100% clear you, unless of course dakky is serious about this idea of us being scum together playing good cop / bad cop, but it's far too early in a large game to be trying anything like that no matter your alignment.

If I am actually scum, then where's my team? I suppose you could argue that Mitch could be partnered with me since he pointed the finger but won't act on it. I also expect Mitch generally plays like that all the time for reasons mentioned above.

The only reason I keep repeating comments about my persona is because that's the only argument benga is coming at me with now and he knows it's stupid. I'd also like to say Mitch is the most reactive player I've ever seen. He's just agreeing with what other people say but has no initiative himself. Meanwhile we're still waiting for Fircoal to even post.

It's also interesting that the Pika dude has gone very quiet on D2 after probably being one of the more frequent D1 players.

Edit: Fastposted by vote count. I'm not revealing shit. Also I thought there was a vote on Fircoal? I like Doom's reasoning on Skittles too. I don't trust Mitch but I think he's too erratic to accurately judge, although that could be a hindrance for town later on since mafia would probably be able to frame him quite easily.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I've poked Fircoal, and he responded. Giving him a couple more days before I give him another poke before I consider a replacement.

[Skittles!]

So no lynch, no night kills, does anyone have anything we can go off? I agree with the Third Party idea about Thorian, and that they could be the greater threat right now.

As for my vote against Dakky and my very (very) weak argument for lynching him was mainly a day 1 joke. Trying to start a bandwagon for luls.

Defending against backlash that happened 5 days ago? I totally forgot 2 people had even mentioned your vote. Pika was the one who gave you the FOS but then he didn't even mention you today. Your agreeing with him could be a buddy up, especially since you claim to have never played ME. Although you did give some hints as to wiki'ing thorian already. Either way, I don't like it one bit.

vote skittz

I hadn't posted in that timeline again to clear anything up. That's why i put it in my first post in day 2. Others may not have forgotten it and were still expecting an answer, idk.

The argument you are using against me and hence voting me is the exact reasoning as to why I voted Dakky, because he mentioned Thorian in one of his posts on Day 1. I still find it suspicious that he did that, because the only reason why he would do that is if it were mentioned in his PM. I had to google it myself afterwards to actually realise it would be a third party faction, and probably why it could be the stronger faction in this game at the moment.

In saying that, Vote Dakky.

Now, moving on to todays developments. Thing is, I am hesitant to 100% believe Benga, because of how he has played in other games is very similar to how he is playing now. He pounces in his first post on a target, citing some role claim, and doesn't back down. He's pushing Caff because the latter is appearing 'confident' and 'aggressive'. But so is benga with how confident he is and the aggressiveness of his push on Caff. Then he says he is Godfather? Just seems odd to me overall.

Caff - please don't edit posts, just make a new one.

[Skittles!]

So no lynch, no night kills, does anyone have anything we can go off? I agree with the Third Party idea about Thorian, and that they could be the greater threat right now.

As for my vote against Dakky and my very (very) weak argument for lynching him was mainly a day 1 joke. Trying to start a bandwagon for luls.

Defending against backlash that happened 5 days ago? I totally forgot 2 people had even mentioned your vote. Pika was the one who gave you the FOS but then he didn't even mention you today. Your agreeing with him could be a buddy up, especially since you claim to have never played ME. Although you did give some hints as to wiki'ing thorian already. Either way, I don't like it one bit.

vote skittz

I hadn't posted in that timeline again to clear anything up. That's why i put it in my first post in day 2. Others may not have forgotten it and were still expecting an answer, idk.

The argument you are using against me and hence voting me is the exact reasoning as to why I voted Dakky, because he mentioned Thorian in one of his posts on Day 1. I still find it suspicious that he did that, because the only reason why he would do that is if it were mentioned in his PM. I had to google it myself afterwards to actually realise it would be a third party faction, and probably why it could be the stronger faction in this game at the moment.

In saying that, Vote Dakky.

Now, moving on to todays developments. Thing is, I am hesitant to 100% believe Benga, because of how he has played in other games is very similar to how he is playing now. He pounces in his first post on a target, citing some role claim, and doesn't back down. He's pushing Caff because the latter is appearing 'confident' and 'aggressive'. But so is benga with how confident he is and the aggressiveness of his push on Caff. Then he says he is Godfather? Just seems odd to me overall.

Caff - please don't edit posts, just make a new one.

EBWOP - vote was incorrect colour.

[iAmCaffeine]

I only did an edit because I was fastposted. In other circumstances I wouldn't have. If it matters though, I'll just post away next time.

[lord voldemort]

I only did an edit because I was fastposted. In other circumstances I wouldn't have. If it matters though, I'll just post away next time.

it always matters. Some mods auto mod kill for that (this guy does)

anyway I am going to vote fircoal no idea why he is lurking, But at this stage Id rather lynch the lurker I want to see the caf/benga jail thing play out. Having said that it could go either way. Caff could be scum and he is jailed and we get no kill. Or caff is town and scum target him anyway and he is protected. Both are equally as likely as the other.

[iAmCaffeine]

Yeah fair enough, duly noted. However since it was a real time edit nothing was posted and then changed. I went to post, got stopped because I was fastposted, and then added in the edit. I never posted before editing. Anyway, enough of that.

I'm gonna go ahead and vote fircoal unless he appears with a good reason as to why he's still lurking about. He's obviously not limited since he responded to DDS and DirtySickSoup has also stated he's still chasing the guy for participation.

Further, feel free to jail me again benga should I survive D2, but you gain us no more information than we already have, so I'll have no choice but to assume you're scum or - more likely - 3rd party.

[iAmCaffeine]

Yeah fair enough, duly noted. However since it was a real time edit nothing was posted and then changed. I went to post, got stopped because I was fastposted, and then added in the edit. I never posted before editing. Anyway, enough of that.

I'm gonna go ahead and vote fircoal unless he appears with a good reason as to why he's still lurking about. He's obviously not limited since he responded to DDS and DirtySickSoup has also stated he's still chasing the guy for participation.

Further, feel free to jail me again benga should I survive D2, but you gain us no more information than we already have, so I'll have no choice but to assume you're scum or - more likely - 3rd party.

Made it bold.

Also, for what it's worth I do think benga is town being hard-headed, but depending on what happens that view could change.

[madmitch]

I have not voted for anyone yet because I have been accused in other games of jumping on the band wagon, and I just thought I would try something different, but now I am getting called out for it- damn if I do damn if I don't. My major picks are Dakky for the Thorian post and fircoat for not posting ,and my biggest scum pick is Caff, the jail thing bothers me and he has been quite prickly about everything , and he has not put up a reasonable line of defense. [color=#408040] VOTE CAFF[/color]

[iAmCaffeine]

What exactly have you tried that is different? I wouldn't say you're jumping on the bandwagon as such, you're merely running behind it. I have no experience playing with you so I can't attest to your past, but my issue with how you're playing is that you're just agreeing with things other people have said and sheeping them, but when asked to take the initiative yourself you simply flounder and can't do anything definitive. Your reasonings aren't even full sentences, but instead just a few words to very briefly echo what others have already said.

I may be wrong but it sounds to me like you're making the mistakes that people called you out on previously. By voting me without really knowing why you're just repeating those mistakes. I don't understand how you can expect to win as town if you just follow others with no knowledge of their role in the game. What if you blindly agreed with everything mafia said and lost the game? Or maybe you're mafia trying not to be suspicious (protip: you look suspicious). I'd suggest giving things some more thought before finding blame elsewhere.

Even now it feels like you don't even suspect me of being mafia, you're just voting because you don't like my generally aggressive persona. That's me, in a nutshell. Something I often found frustrating when I played mafia regularly was getting lynched for being angsty or rude because people couldn't look beyond the attitude into what I was actually saying. You're making the same mistake.

[iAmCaffeine]

I'd quite like to see reads from Skoffin, TG and Ragian.

[madmitch]

@Caff I actually like your attitude

[iAmCaffeine]

Then why are you voting me?

[HotShot53]

(1) Skittles - DY
(2) iAmCaffeine - Benga, Dakky

With 17 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

You missed my vote on fircoal

Yeah fair enough, duly noted. However since it was a real time edit nothing was posted and then changed. I went to post, got stopped because I was fastposted, and then added in the edit. I never posted before editing. Anyway, enough of that.

That type of before-posting edit is fine... we just usually use the word FP (fast posted) rather than "edit" to denote the addition to the post.

[iAmCaffeine]

Yeah no worries. As I explained it wasn't really an edit but I'll bear that in mind for clarity in the future.

[iAmCaffeine]

By the way, does anyone else think it's odd how dakky made up this (terrible) idea that benga and I could be on the same team bussing each other, and yet he then voted me with benga?

Man, I always think of more things to say after I post.

[dakky21]

By the way, does anyone else think it's odd how dakky made up this (terrible) idea that benga and I could be on the same team bussing each other, and yet he then voted me with benga?

Man, I always think of more things to say after I post.

I explained why I voted you, my reasoning is purely statistical/mathematical.
The idea isn't terrible if it's correct, though. Benga voting you with a jail claim can easily clear you both, while if you do flip as scum, clean only him, which is actually a win-win situation for scum. Either way, you're the best candidate for today's lynch so far.

[iAmCaffeine]

If I was the best candidate so obviously, as you seem to imply, then surely people would be quick to vote me?

Your idea is rather terrible as there are far too many people alive to risk that kind of strategy as scum. Say for example benga and I set this up to clear one of us, do you really think D2 with 17 people still alive is a good time considering how long the other person is going to have to act as a clear for? I'm not sure if you've ever done it, but being a fake clear as mafia is very tricky. The only way there would be enough mafia members to validate that is if there were no 3rd party, and it's all but confirmed there in fact are.

I could quite easily reverse your own idea onto you and benga. The only difference is you're happily ignoring your "read" on benga in an effort to lynch me.

[strike wolf]

So no lynch, no night kills, does anyone have anything we can go off? I agree with the Third Party idea about Thorian, and that they could be the greater threat right now.

As for my vote against Dakky and my very (very) weak argument for lynching him was mainly a day 1 joke. Trying to start a bandwagon for luls.

Defending against backlash that happened 5 days ago? I totally forgot 2 people had even mentioned your vote. Pika was the one who gave you the FOS but then he didn't even mention you today. Your agreeing with him could be a buddy up, especially since you claim to have never played ME. Although you did give some hints as to wiki'ing thorian already. Either way, I don't like it one bit.

vote skittz

I hadn't posted in that timeline again to clear anything up. That's why i put it in my first post in day 2. Others may not have forgotten it and were still expecting an answer, idk.

The argument you are using against me and hence voting me is the exact reasoning as to why I voted Dakky, because he mentioned Thorian in one of his posts on Day 1. I still find it suspicious that he did that, because the only reason why he would do that is if it were mentioned in his PM. I had to google it myself afterwards to actually realise it would be a third party faction, and probably why it could be the stronger faction in this game at the moment.

In saying that, Vote Dakky.

Actually I was the first to bring up the Thorian.

I posted a general overview before the game started. Benezia, Saren, Sovereign and at least one geth of some kind are the likely mafia. Cerberus is a likely third party group or maybe just Sk. The Thorian is a possible cult recruiter.

It was made because of knowledge of an anti-town third party from the PM and the Thorian being a possibility.

My reads based on the third party revelations of Day 1 (note that none of these rule out recruitment for town):

Those who seemed knowledgeable of town mechanics:

1. Benga-first to bring up the third party clause in town's I'm. Town lean.
2. Sam-expressed knowledge that neither Benga nor anyone else revealed about the third party clause. Lean town.

Those who did not express knowledge at the time"

1. MM- relatively neutral due to later revelations.
2. Pika-same as MM.
3. Hotshot-he confessed indirectly to not having direct knowledge due to mod error (later confirmed that there was some form of error on the mods part later on). I already explained why this makes me lean town with him day 1.
4. Tails-did not comment on the third party clause. Doesn't mean he wasn't aware but pretty much ignored it as well. In isolation, I consider this scummy.
5. Dakky-sama as tails.
6. Thorthoth-same as above two.

And then there's caff:

You mean you're not aware of this, Pika?

This post suggests that he has knowledge regarding the third party existence (And presumably from context nature)

Which actually creates contrast with a later post he made:

I actually don't think I got a win condition either, but I can't be bothered to check 'cause I'm going to bed.

As for third parties, there are some in off-vanilla mafia setups that can joint with mafia or town, or just win via their own conditions. I guess it would help to know the characters / plot of Mass Effect to determine what the third party - or parties - could be.

I should warn you guys I've won trophies playing online mafia before.

*squints suspiciously* He's obviously trying(failing) to sound too important to loose!
Unvote Vote Caffeine

Helps if you can spell lose, retard.

What's the point of this hostility?

I'm a cunt that gets frustrated by the amount of people who can't spell a simple four letter word. What's the point of questioning it?

Admittedly I don't find this conclusive and I feel the jailkeeo argument and subsequent arguments by Benga to be a bit lackluster. This series of posts does seem odd but from his attitude, I can see him as the type who may not immediately check his pm even in an argument that stems from someone pointing out a PM irregularity.

I'm getting renewed interest in Thor. He asks questions about how to play and what is scummy. This is pretty standard from a new player and I'm glad he's taking an interest in learning. The issue I'm having is that's pretty much all Thor has been doing for most of the game and I don't feel like he's been contributing much to the actual scumhunting portion of the game.

I still want to do a fuller review of some people but as of right now, I think I'd rather lynch Thor than Caff.

[Thorthoth]

Okay, now I'm in trouble just for watching?
Both mafia games and Mass effects are new to me.
I'm hearing a lot of people talk about a third party, the Thorian?. What do people think this third party would do. What powers would it have?
For that matte, I'm not sure what all the powers the town and scum have?
Is there any way to tell if an action has actually been performed other than just taking somebody's word for it in chat?

Totally known facts as far as I can tell are...
1.Nobody was lynched on day 1.
2. Nobody was killed on night 1.

Everything else is hearsay from people who either might not know or may very well be bluffing/lying.

Is this a fair & objective, not subjective, summary of the situation?
If not, what am I missing?