Political Mafia -- Liberals Win

[Endgame422]

Epi shoot AoG

Seconded.

[got tonkaed]

Find a 3rd party person and shoot them? or shoot a liberal.

[Epitaph1]

also, epi, let me put it like this

you're a third party survivor allegedly. If that's true, and you vote and play like a liberal, I assure you that we will view you as a liberal and will not hesitate knocking you off.

that's not a threat, just a warning.

Not sure why you'd rather take me out than one of the libs.

Epi shoot AoG

Yeah, he's number 1 on my list right now.

*Draws gun, checks the sights*

Question: use the shot now or wait until we know some roles? This is the only time I can use this and we don't know what powers are still out there. I'm voting with the libs, so that should put us over the top on the lynch today unless there is another 3p out there who likes conservatives rather than liberals for some reason.

I checked with the mod on this: I can shoot someone during the vote phase.

[got tonkaed]

If you shoot AOG, every single conservative votes for you Epi.

[Army of GOD]

also, epi, let me put it like this

you're a third party survivor allegedly. If that's true, and you vote and play like a liberal, I assure you that we will view you as a liberal and will not hesitate knocking you off.

that's not a threat, just a warning.

Not sure why you'd rather take me out than one of the libs.

two reasons:

1. You're a third partier. You and your entire faction can be eliminated with one kill. The liberals have 6-7 members probably, so its more difficult to take their entire faction out. Remember, this isn't liberals vs. conservatives, this is liberals vs. conservatives vs. 3p-1 vs. 3p-2, etc.

2. If you shoot me, the conservatives will declare war against you. You will be eliminated and you will lose.

[Army of GOD]

don't let libtards think for you. You're a third party, not one of them. They're only going to use you as canon fodder to them

[virus90]

i am so lost in the tactics of day 1 in this game. its so different from normal, half of the people allready (Semi)claimed, doubtfull how much truth is in the claims but they are out there. then the 3th party day vig part to this.. as i said before i would say save it for later, for now your putting a target on your back, cause as long as you have your power your an asset if you dont have it anymore there is not much use anymore. to be honest i think we should make 3th party speaker, that seems logical somehow. also gives some rest in the game, if what ever side get the position the other side will target the speaker probably and we have another election. and so on and so on. all kinds of talk about who should be speaker etc.
the more i think of it, the more i like the idea.

[Endgame422]

If you shoot AOG, every single conservative votes for you Epi.

And every single liberal will vote against you,making you the lynch.
Soooo ya theres that.
Im not too worried about AoGs role,no real way of knowing whos role is what but if AoG/GoT are dead tomorrow i will be a happy.
Hopefully they are PRs but even vanilla consevatives gotta go.
Fpd by virus.
Sure epi can be speaker tomoorow after they shoot me. Idc but we dont have time today ,vote with the libs virus or be considered a conservative.

[got tonkaed]

Any other 3rd party votes Epi because they know they dont have much of a chance of survival if you already have a 2 person headcount lead going into the next day phase.

[Army of GOD]

Shoot me epi and lets see how long you survive

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Questions for /: why did you vote for Streaker for speaker in the beginning? You were the first one to vote for him and now you want someone else as the speaker who you can confirm as a liberal. Why didn't you vote for a liberal in the first place?

Or is Streaker liberal, but for some reason you want someone else as speaker?

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If anything Epi, all this should prove this isnt a Liberal = Town scenario.

All the libs are ganging up on you, tonk. You're going to need a better defense and/or political posturing than that.

Oooh, this game is getting exciting! I'm glad!
Well, it was kind of a stupid gambit, but I suppose it's not too disadvantageous to reveal more at this point.
My role has a side win condition, either I win if the liberals win, and/or if I specifically vote on the lynch to my conservative counterpart (though I do not know who it is).
Now don't get me wrong and assume I'm gonna be some single minded lyncher; it's too damn hard to worry about lynching one unknown player; far better we crush them all using every resource we have. BUT, I do not want my counterpart lynching me, and what would someone who knows their own side expect someone who knows their own side not to do? Vote for the opposing party of course! That, and it really is a catchy slogan.

Anyways, I'm willing to spare BGtheBrain for today if he votes with us against the conservatives.
I think you should take the shot asap, just in case streaker returns and ends the day, deadline is getting close anyways, and if you want to win with us, it's best that we hold the solid majority.

[NoSurvivors]

Questions for /: why did you vote for Streaker for speaker in the beginning? You were the first one to vote for him and now you want someone else as the speaker who you can confirm as a liberal. Why didn't you vote for a liberal in the first place?

Or is Streaker liberal, but for some reason you want someone else as speaker?

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If anything Epi, all this should prove this isnt a Liberal = Town scenario.

All the libs are ganging up on you, tonk. You're going to need a better defense and/or political posturing than that.

Oooh, this game is getting exciting! I'm glad!
Well, it was kind of a stupid gambit, but I suppose it's not too disadvantageous to reveal more at this point.
My role has a side win condition, either I win if the liberals win, and/or if I specifically vote on the lynch to my conservative counterpart (though I do not know who it is).
Now don't get me wrong and assume I'm gonna be some single minded lyncher; it's too damn hard to worry about lynching one unknown player; far better we crush them all using every resource we have. BUT, I do not want my counterpart lynching me, and what would someone who knows their own side expect someone who knows their own side not to do? Vote for the opposing party of course! That, and it really is a catchy slogan.

Anyways, I'm willing to spare BGtheBrain for today if he votes with us against the conservatives.
I think you should take the shot asap, just in case streaker returns and ends the day, deadline is getting close anyways, and if you want to win with us, it's best that we hold the solid majority.

I am unsure that this helps you, as now your counterpart will be gunning like crazy for you so he/she can win... But I guess that would oust one of them as conservative.

I think we should call a vote. Will be interesting to see what happens. I would say I am voting for AoG since he seems to be the loudest conservative, and frankly I dont need that noise in my life. vote aog

I dont see much of a point in lying about being a conservative right now as epi said he would vote with the liberals giving us an advantage. So I doubt he is lying. Better to lynch a conservative VT than a lib one as far as im concerned if he isnt a PR.

[dakky21]

From what I understand so far, if Streaker/anyone cast a vote phase, the player with most votes will be lynched.
That means 3rd party can't win by themselves. That also means 3rd party will stick to anyone who is not them.
Also, lynching someone from lib / cons party gains 3rd party more room, because of their day/night action.

I believe only way to win as a 3rd party is to make fight between two major parties. So we lynch each other because we can make a majority. 3rd party players will just use their powers to cut us down even more.

So, if you want to win and you are not 3rd party, we should first lynch 3rd party. (and risk being killed by Epi or whoever)

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From what I understand so far, if Streaker/anyone cast a vote phase, the player with most votes will be lynched.
That means 3rd party can't win by themselves. That also means 3rd party will stick to anyone who is not them.
Also, lynching someone from lib / cons party gains 3rd party more room, because of their day/night action.

I believe only way to win as a 3rd party is to make fight between two major parties. So we lynch each other because we can make a majority. 3rd party players will just use their powers to cut us down even more.

So, if you want to win and you are not 3rd party, we should first lynch 3rd party. (and risk being killed by Epi or whoever)

NO. We need the numbers or the night could break us. Stick with voting against a definite foe rather than making more unnecessarily. If we divide the vote, any of us might be lynched by a unified conservative/3rd party vote for the rest of the game, and they probably won't be merciful in our shoes. Don't worry, I can see the numbers, we are not in danger if we stick together.

Also @ NoS, my counterpart knew just who I was the moment I softclaimed. letting my allies know a bit more is fine.

[dakky21]

NO. We need the numbers or the night could break us. Stick with voting against a definite foe rather than making more unnecessarily. If we divide the vote, any of us might be lynched by a unified conservative/3rd party vote for the rest of the game, and they probably won't be merciful in our shoes. Don't worry, I can see the numbers, we are not in danger if we stick together.

Your thinking confirmed my theory.

Be honest, you don't know who is from which party, but you do have a 3rd party claims. Major parties claims could be a lie, but why would a 3rd party lie? If we stick together against a conservative claim, we might end killing a liberal who tried to sneak in their base... and we can still be killed during night from a 3rd party. I still think 3rd parties are the most advanced as they are alone and they can/will kill major parties.

Getting "promise" from 3rd party that they will vote with us, makes no sense on day one.

Everything is still open, so I suggest to members of both parties to lynch claimed 3rd party today. What is your suggestion?

[JamesKer1]

I'm not sure what this 3rd party stuff going around is. We need you guys as much as you need us.

I have no problem keeping a 3rd Party member around so long as the win conditions match. Liberal + 3rd Party has the numbers vs Conservative, so there is no reason to need to lynch 3rd party members. Best not to cause an argument where there doesn't need to be one and win the game quick.

And since I'm a stats nub, I'm starting a list just for me...

Liberals:
1. Dakky
2. NoS
3. JamesKer1
4. Endgame
5. / (Counterpart)

Conservatives:
1. AoG
2. Got tonkaed
3. BG (Party Switch or something made-up)
4.
5.


3rd Party
1. Epitaph
2.


Unclaimed:
1. HotShot
2. Dazza
3. Streaker
4. Iron Butterfly
5. madmitch
6. Virus
7. Ragian

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NO. We need the numbers or the night could break us. Stick with voting against a definite foe rather than making more unnecessarily. If we divide the vote, any of us might be lynched by a unified conservative/3rd party vote for the rest of the game, and they probably won't be merciful in our shoes. Don't worry, I can see the numbers, we are not in danger if we stick together.

Your thinking confirmed my theory.

Be honest, you don't know who is from which party, but you do have a 3rd party claims. Major parties claims could be a lie, but why would a 3rd party lie? If we stick together against a conservative claim, we might end killing a liberal who tried to sneak in their base... and we can still be killed during night from a 3rd party. I still think 3rd parties are the most advanced as they are alone and they can/will kill major parties.

Getting "promise" from 3rd party that they will vote with us, makes no sense on day one.

Everything is still open, so I suggest to members of both parties to lynch claimed 3rd party today. What is your suggestion?

I know exactly who is or isn't liberal. Otherwise, how and why would I have outed BG and GT correctly for the firing line?
I have made my suggestion, kill one conservative, lynch another, then play the following days as the controlling majority so they don't pick us off one by one as we shall easily do to them.

[dakky21]

I'm not sure what this 3rd party stuff going around is. We need you guys as much as you need us.

Nice list. Do the math if it is 6/6/4 or 5/5/5.
We need them to lynch cons, they need cons to lynch us. What is the better strategy for 3rd parties than to make Cons fight Libs?
Just saying.

I know exactly who is or isn't liberal. Otherwise, how and why would I have outed BG and GT correctly for the firing line?
I have made my suggestion, kill one conservative, lynch another, then play the following days as the controlling majority so they don't pick us off one by one as we shall easily do to them.

Trade-off. Lynch Conservatives BG or GT and get trust from Liberal party. Later you can vote for anyone and no one will vote you no matter what.... it's a possible scenario.

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I know exactly who is or isn't liberal. Otherwise, how and why would I have outed BG and GT correctly for the firing line?
I have made my suggestion, kill one conservative, lynch another, then play the following days as the controlling majority so they don't pick us off one by one as we shall easily do to them.

Trade-off. Lynch Conservatives BG or GT and get trust from Liberal party. Later you can vote for anyone and no one will vote you no matter what.... it's a possible scenario.

Well, keep it in mind then if you don't trust me. My only power is knowing who is a liberal, so if I vote for a liberal, you can put two and two together then and there. For now, our best bet is siding with Epi and getting a new speaker on our side before the deadline. Besides, I was more than willing to lynch Epi before he sided with us, my goal is making sure the liberals win.

Can we please have an extension?

[dakky21]

Well, keep it in mind then if you don't trust me. My only power is knowing who is a liberal, so if I vote for a liberal, you can put two and two together then and there. For now, our best bet is siding with Epi and getting a new speaker on our side before the deadline. Besides, I was more than willing to lynch Epi before he sided with us, my goal is making sure the liberals win.

My point is - you will not vote for the Liberal, but for the Conservative. If the lynch passes, you will be considered true liberal, while you can still be Conservative, and make a trade-off for that power.

So you vote BG in the voting phase. BG turns out Conservative, that means you must be Liberal. THAT might not be true and that's what I'm trying to say.

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Well, keep it in mind then if you don't trust me. My only power is knowing who is a liberal, so if I vote for a liberal, you can put two and two together then and there. For now, our best bet is siding with Epi and getting a new speaker on our side before the deadline. Besides, I was more than willing to lynch Epi before he sided with us, my goal is making sure the liberals win.

My point is - you will not vote for the Liberal, but for the Conservative. If the lynch passes, you will be considered true liberal, while you can still be Conservative, and make a trade-off for that power.

So you vote BG in the voting phase. BG turns out Conservative, that means you must be Liberal. THAT might not be true and that's what I'm trying to say.

Well, if we have a cop, they're welcome to check on me, I'll give you every other enemy of ours on a silver platter from here on out anyhow. Anyways, sacrificing three allies on day one in a 16 player game just to gain the opposite parties trust is possibly the absolute worst strategy ever.

[got tonkaed]

By all means Epi kill the Liberal Party leader. You are protected for life if you do that thing.

[got tonkaed]

Also if Epi doesnt decide to be a bro, lets all lynch /. If the liberals do not know who they gain or lose each night phase that is a win for us.

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Don't listen to my opponent's empty promises. Got Tonkaed cancels games! His non-union employees are forced to build with Tonka toys instead of construction equipment!
You need an ally you can trust; I've never canceled a game, never been replaced. Vote for the candidate you can't trust (to be lynched). My cards are on the table, and unlike my counterpart, I won't leave my side stumbling around blindly.

[Endgame422]

Dakky i think we should trust /.
If hes making some kind of crazy gambit,let him. I doubt it just for the record.
We need unity as a party.
Abe Lincoln said a house divided cannot stand
We all need to vote together against GOT when the time comes.
No stray votes,no bullshit.
Anyone NOT on the wagon will be claiming WITH the conservatives and making for an enemy of the liberal party.
Hey / is ragian our last member?
And epi dont let these chumps try and intimidate you.
We got your back.
Still thinking pop AoG with your shot ASAP.
Takes you off the oppositions hit list as your basically VT and gives our voting block more power.