The Thing TOWN WINS!

[SoN!c]

If you really think i am The Thing then lynch me. But Im Fucks, vanilla scientist.

[Extreme Ways]

The game is probably over by the time it gets there.

I would agree that it will be very difficult if we get to day 3 and it's 5v3. So why wouldn't it be better for it to be 7v3 on day 3?

Because we've had two extra lynches and thus also better odds at good BTs.

I kinda like Dega's point of Sonic not hammering Dega, even if I also think a cult sonic would be relatively easy to raed.

How is Sonic easy to read?

That post where he somehow determines it is better not to lynch until Day 3!! That is so sus...

I'll admit, if I was on my own choosing the BT it be Sonic.
His defense seems to be I act scummy in every game so it's just my play style and I'm not really scummy...

However, if that is the case, then he plays town badly... and somebody else earlier said it was okay to target dega because he wasn't helping town.
So how is thi epic amount of nonsense from Sonic helping town?

Other than that, I mostly consider Deg and Traf to be about the same level of sus for the BT vote. ... Low levels of sus too, mostly randwagon...

Responding to bolded part, this is my 3rd(?) time playing with Sonic and each time he's like static. I dont think he could wilfully act like this as scum. Sonic's play in the tick especially can best be described by too scummy to be scum.

I'll gladly hammer a vote on him though if it means we get a lynch off and dodge this topic for tomorrow.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I do think we need to do a lynch. Cause lynching means an extra shot at getting the Thing. we need to get the recruiter and do that D1 or 2 is crutial.

Now Deg, Do you honestly think Sonic is the Thing? Or you are willing to maybe lose a town cause is Sonic?
We can say he always post nonsense and confuse town more than it helps, let aside, he is always off. But you think he takes advantage of his playstyle in the Tick to try act like madman again so we don't suspect him, or he is just the same old Sonic? I don't think he is the thing, but if you think he really is, then i'll vote him. otherwise We might better look somewhere else.

[strike wolf]

Read wise, I'm obviously eliminating myself. Dega is cleared from the BT and Votanic reads as town to me. Scum list is harder for me. If I had to pick some that stuck out, it would be Son!c, Traf and Swang. To a lesser extent, Pix as well.

I don't really like how Son!c acts like there's urgency on the BT but continually just clogs up the thread with posts when he could have BTed Dega at any time to move the game forward. I will also disagree on Son!c being easy to read. Son!c is a wild card and erratic game play is his style. He also doesn't strike me as the type who would sit back and be quieter if he was cult/mafia.

I spent most of my time dedicated to this game thinking about why Traf would overreact so much. It's very out of character but also didn't seem like something he'd do as a lone scum. So ultimately opted that he was genuinely frustrated.

Swang has just been quiet relative to even me and I can't say this has been a very active game for me. He was also somewhat quiet early in the Tick game where he was mafia.

I could say the same for Pix but I don't think Pix puts the final BT on Dega if he's the Thing.

Also side note: pretty sure that DDS specified that he picked The Things fake claim randomly. So these claims people are giving are mostly meaningless. All were doing is helping the Thing by giving them more info on who might be a good recruit.

[strike wolf]

I'd be for lynching Swang or Son!c.

[degaston]

I do think we need to do a lynch. Cause lynching means an extra shot at getting the Thing. we need to get the recruiter and do that D1 or 2 is crutial.

Now Deg, Do you honestly think Sonic is the Thing? Or you are willing to maybe lose a town cause is Sonic?
We can say he always post nonsense and confuse town more than it helps, let aside, he is always off. But you think he takes advantage of his playstyle in the Tick to try act like madman again so we don't suspect him, or he is just the same old Sonic? I don't think he is the thing, but if you think he really is, then i'll vote him. otherwise We might better look somewhere else.

I have no idea who's the Thing. That's why I was suggesting no lynch until day 3 unless we get a positive BT.
But no one else seems to agree with me on that, so if we must have a lynch, then I think it would be best to lynch the one who's blowing smoke everywhere, and accusing people without any real justification. Because as long as he's going to dominate the conversation and cause chaos, he will continue to deflect attention away from himself. I've seen scum use that technique successfully before.

[SoN!c]

I do think we need to do a lynch. Cause lynching means an extra shot at getting the Thing. we need to get the recruiter and do that D1 or 2 is crutial.

Now Deg, Do you honestly think Sonic is the Thing? Or you are willing to maybe lose a town cause is Sonic?
We can say he always post nonsense and confuse town more than it helps, let aside, he is always off. But you think he takes advantage of his playstyle in the Tick to try act like madman again so we don't suspect him, or he is just the same old Sonic? I don't think he is the thing, but if you think he really is, then i'll vote him. otherwise We might better look somewhere else.

I have no idea who's the Thing. That's why I was suggesting no lynch until day 3 unless we get a positive BT.
But no one else seems to agree with me on that, so if we must have a lynch, then I think it would be best to lynch the one who's blowing smoke everywhere, and accusing people without any real justification. Because as long as he's going to dominate the conversation and cause chaos, he will continue to deflect attention away from himself. I've seen scum use that technique successfully before.

There is no way to know besides a BT but best scenario is 3 BT with 10 players.. That horse alone won't save town. No way. So lynch me and see that you win.

Vote SoN!c

PS: BT Traf tomorrow.

Fucks

[degaston]

There is no way to know besides a BT but best scenario is 3 BT with 10 players.. That horse alone won't save town. No way.

Where are you getting this from? Did you not read my posts?

The WORST scenario with my suggestion is 4 BT and 2 Lynch.

[degaston]

Vote SoN!c

PS: BT Traf tomorrow.

Fucks

If you are town, then this kind of thing isn't helpful.

[Extreme Ways]

The only alignment you're 100% clear about is your own. If you're self-voting, you're either actively sabotaging town or you're hoping people buy it.

You dont seem to be very emotional about it, so I'm thinking it's the latter.

I wanted to vote but someone told me sonic was L-2, do people mind if I hammer this?

[Extreme Ways]

I counted myeslf he's not even near L-1.

Vote Sonic

[degaston]

I wanted to vote but someone told me sonic was L-2

Who told you that?

[Extreme Ways]

Also, about Dega voting to lynch Sonic...

I get that a lynch vote (especially a pre-BT lynch vote) adds some much needed drama to the proceedings, but ultimately I can't condone a lynch without a BT.

Therefore, I 'm going to walk it like I talk it.

Unvote
BT Sonic

I might just be a lone voice in the wilderness here, and I might have to change my vote again ...or just let it stand as an honestly held, but unelectable, conviction.

I humbly suggest to all players currently voting for dega, Traf, or anyone else to consider getting on my BT Sonic Bandwagon (yes, that's Bandwagon with a 'B').

That would be tomorrow. Only 1 BT a day.. and You better test Traf tomorrow. Ofcourse very happy to take the BT if town wants me to. I''ll even vote for myself in that case. Still you would need to lynch somebody today id say to have the best win chance.

Fp by votanic

Woah, Sonic, now I'm the last person to give someone a hard time for a 'mistake' (boy, am I ever...) but your post comes only ten minutes after I corrected my mistaken BT vote on you and replaced it with a Lynch vote on you.

So, are you trying to cause more confusion and deflection by ignoring that your Lynch vote now stands at 2.

I read this as L-2 rather than L=2

[SoN!c]

Vote SoN!c

PS: BT Traf tomorrow.

Fucks

If you are town, then this kind of thing isn't helpful.

The way i see it this is going to no lynch D1 and BT me tomorrow.

But this way we are losing 2 chances to find The Thing. We can't afford that.

Then you better lynch me and use the BT on somebody else.

[swang918]

Vote SoN!c

PS: BT Traf tomorrow.

Fucks

If you are town, then this kind of thing isn't helpful.

The way i see it this is going to no lynch D1 and BT me tomorrow.

But this way we are losing 2 chances to find The Thing. We can't afford that.

Then you better lynch me and use the BT on somebody else.

Well no because if you're town then you know you are town and you'd know that lynching you is bad for town.

Voting yourself is just so bad that I kind of have to vote you on principle now.

it's still more likely than not that sonic is just being a goofy donkey. But one thing I noticed in the Tick was that he gear-shifted after like day 3 or so into being much more competent and analytical. So there's a chance that he's just playing a character with his nonsense and his baseline is actually competence. Which if that is the case then it actually points to him being the Thing here. because there's no reason to keep playing the donkey nonsense character here.

vote Sonic

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I think Sonic will turn up town. But really a bad play to self vote.
Think he is just frustrated cause no one follows his logic. But tbh is really hard to bring him into his senses.

[SoN!c]

Vote SoN!c

PS: BT Traf tomorrow.

Fucks

If you are town, then this kind of thing isn't helpful.

The way i see it this is going to no lynch D1 and BT me tomorrow.

But this way we are losing 2 chances to find The Thing. We can't afford that.

Then you better lynch me and use the BT on somebody else.

Well no because if you're town then you know you are town and you'd know that lynching you is bad for town.

Voting yourself is just so bad that I kind of have to vote you on principle now.

it's still more likely than not that sonic is just being a goofy donkey. But one thing I noticed in the Tick was that he gear-shifted after like day 3 or so into being much more competent and analytical. So there's a chance that he's just playing a character with his nonsense and his baseline is actually competence. Which if that is the case then it actually points to him being the Thing here. because there's no reason to keep playing the donkey nonsense character here.

vote Sonic

The donkey part is not wanting to BT and Lynch everyday. And start discussion again. And if there is no lynch today and you gonna BT me tomorrow then the game is pretty much lost. Because i know im not The Thing. But there is no way you could know unless you are The Thing.

No lynch and BT me on D2 = you will have only 1 BT left to find The Thing on D3.

[SoN!c]

Let me put it in another way. I prefer to be lynched so you will BT Traf on D2. BT me on D2 = losing the game anyways.

[degaston]

No lynch and BT me on D2 = you will have only 1 BT left to find The Thing on D3.

Wrong.

*Sigh* Why is this so hard for you to understand?

D1: 9 town, 1 Thing - BT
D2: 8 town, 2 Things - BT
D3: 7 town, 3 Things - BT & Lynch (Assume worst case and we lynch town)
D4: 5 town, 4 Things - BT & Lynch (Must lynch recruiter)

[SoN!c]

No lynch and BT me on D2 = you will have only 1 BT left to find The Thing on D3.

Wrong.

*Sigh* Why is this so hard for you to understand?

D1: 9 town, 1 Thing - BT
D2: 8 town, 2 Things - BT
D3: 7 town, 3 Things - BT & Lynch (Assume worst case and we lynch town)
D4: 5 town, 4 Things - BT & Lynch (Must lynch recruiter)

D4 is only theoretical Deg. I don't believe in a united town on D4 with 4 Things steering us. We are not even united on D1.. 3BT is the maximum you will get. And if your gonna waste one on me and not lynch today then there is only 1 BT left..

C'mon. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

[degaston]

No lynch and BT me on D2 = you will have only 1 BT left to find The Thing on D3.

Wrong.

*Sigh* Why is this so hard for you to understand?

D1: 9 town, 1 Thing - BT
D2: 8 town, 2 Things - BT
D3: 7 town, 3 Things - BT & Lynch (Assume worst case and we lynch town)
D4: 5 town, 4 Things - BT & Lynch (Must lynch recruiter)

D4 is only theoretical Deg. I don't believe in a united town on D4 with 4 Things steering us. We are not even united on D1.. 3BT is the maximum you will get. And if your gonna waste one on me and not lynch today then there is only 1 BT left..

C'mon. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Maybe because what you want is worse?
D1: 9 town, 1 Thing - BT & lynch
D2: 7 town, 2 Things - BT & lynch
D3: 5 town, 3 Things - (Only theoretical because all 5 town would have to vote for the BT)

So with yours, 2 BT is the maximum you will get.

[Ragian]

It's interesting to see people saying a) duh, it's anti-town to vote for yourself if you are town, and b) I'm going to vote for the one who votes for himself even when I don't think he's the thing.

Right now, Swang and Traf caught my attention.

@EW, do you honestly believe that Son!c is The Thing?

[SoN!c]

No lynch and BT me on D2 = you will have only 1 BT left to find The Thing on D3.

Wrong.

*Sigh* Why is this so hard for you to understand?

D1: 9 town, 1 Thing - BT
D2: 8 town, 2 Things - BT
D3: 7 town, 3 Things - BT & Lynch (Assume worst case and we lynch town)
D4: 5 town, 4 Things - BT & Lynch (Must lynch recruiter)

D4 is only theoretical Deg. I don't believe in a united town on D4 with 4 Things steering us. We are not even united on D1.. 3BT is the maximum you will get. And if your gonna waste one on me and not lynch today then there is only 1 BT left..

C'mon. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Maybe because what you want is worse?
D1: 9 town, 1 Thing - BT & lynch
D2: 7 town, 2 Things - BT & lynch
D3: 5 town, 3 Things - (Only theoretical because all 5 town would have to vote for the BT)

So with yours, 2 BT is the maximum you will get.

But your forgetting the lynches here: 2 BT and 2 LYNCHES = 4 chances guaranteed. And 5 town vs 3 things is better then 5 town vs 4 things. So even better odds to get 2 more than your last D4. Versus 4 things it's impossible.

Let's play your scenario:

D1: 9 town, 1 Thing - BT Degaston
D2: 8 town, 2 Things - BT SoN!c


I know im not The Thing so what is the outcome on D2?. That I can say "See im not The Thing. I told you so. Im Fucks, Vanilla scientist"?
But that's about it because the game win chances just plummeted..and we move on to:


D3: 7 town, 3 Things - BT & Lynch. That's it : 1 BT & 1 Lynch is all we have left to win in this scenario.


D4: 5 town, 4 Things - BT & Lynch : not gonna happen, it's only a theoretical chance. It's like a soccer team that lost all first 16 games in the season and say they still can avoid relegation if they win all their next 16 games.

[Charle]

I don't think Sonic is the thing. I also think we have a bit of time to decide on the lynch and try to work out better clues to get closer to a real lynch. I would really like to hear what Pixar say about all of this, as well as Swang.

[*Pixar*]

I think we have proven that, Son!c always provides "too" much information in his posts. Looking back at Tick Mafia he did the same thing and turned out to be town. Yes, voting for yourself could be a coverup, but hard to tell this early on. Not sure who to point my finger at this early in the game. I know the only one we can trust is Deg, so of all the people to follow I am reading his info as my only lead. We have a 11% chance of finding our guy (Not good odds). I'm curious once you are converted do you know who the leader is? And is the win condition only for the thing or is it everyone who has been converted?