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Postby autoload on Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:38 am

OK, here is the deal. We have 16 people and it takes 9 to lynch. We are guessing maybe 3 are scum, so that leaves 13 people that would actually leave their vote on an infected player to lynch. That means we can't split our votes around too much. Right now we have 2 very minor camps against AK and dussle. Master Bush was voting for AK, but is not now. I am not putting it out of the realm of possibility, but for now I am pretty sure dussle is not infected because of...
AK_iceman wrote:Exactly, Dussle still hasnt posted anything past that first questionable post to explain himself.

Since I think AK is mafia it is unlikely he would call out a mafia buddy like this. Although wicked first brought up the charges against dussle, AK was quick to jump on.

I initially thought of the reverend as likely town, but now I am less sure partly because of this...
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supercram wrote:
also xenhu is a pretty big post whore outside of this forum. yet he is totally inactive here. like rev, it smells funny.


I agree with this, already mentioned it on the first few pages. I also distrust ak at this point although not enough for him to recieve my vote.

I think that AK and rev are connected, i don't like how rev is the only person AK trusts right now, these two seem to be the only two people that i suspect of being connected so far.

That being said, my vote stands. For now!

Trestain, I hope either myself or Machiavelli can convince you and the others to place their vote on AK.

I do know that to go without a Lynch would not be good. Even if we voted wrong, the voting record can be analyzed later in the game to help us narrow down the suspects.
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Postby wicked on Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:45 am

Well auto, you showed no reason not to vote for dussle, only reasons to vote for IC. Why hasn't dussle come on to defend himself?? At least IC has done that. Sorry, but dussle's lack of posting is highly suspicious, as is RK's and Xenhu's.
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Postby autoload on Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:46 am

Broomhead, I am almost positive about your role as town. Is there anything you can add to my argument against AK? I know you have not focused on him, but as a favor to me can you take a quick look at his actions and give your perspective?

Machiavelli seems convinced enough to vote AK as well. Even though you two have not seen eye to eye earlier in the game we know he believes you are town just as I do. We might as well put supercram in the same boat since he basically gave out the reason we thought you were town. That bit of convincing info you gave (convincing because you were the first one to use it) will not have any more weight for anybody else that tries to use it now. I believe under normal circumstances you would not have revealed that info, but being that you had great suspicion on you at that point I can see you had little choice.

On a different note, it is somewhat difficult to come home, begin addressing issues only to see the view of a particular person changed again before I got back home. Not saying it is bad, just that I may miss addressing some issues because of this. If anybody feels that I am avoiding a question then please remind me again because it may have gotten lost in my post revisions...

I have company today so I will have to wait until later to post better stuff.
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Postby wicked on Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:48 am

also, IC had posted his last name as something significant. I'd like to know more about that, but only if it's not too revealing for any non-mafia, of course.
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Postby reverend_kyle on Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:50 am

Go back and read the thread with AK's last name in mind.
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Postby Freetymes on Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:52 am

Damn lot to read but it is all interesting! I couldn't get on last night after volleyball as we had to make sure the beer was fresh at the local pub and it took a lot of tasting! ohh my achin head.... #-o

I do not think we should vote no-lynch either. We may be wrong and kill a townie (like last game... ugh) but broom is right, it is our only means of action.

Looking at the AK-Ice votes... Although I am not sure of him his replies fit his story and there are far more questions about Xen and Dussle and RK.

I have a hard time trusting anyone but I think those three I trust the least and I agree with wicked and Cram. They are just to quiet and that is not like them.

I am also wondering about the comment by RK. He thinks we should hurry up and lynch someone so we can see what happens tonight...

Why the hurry Rev??? Tonight there is likely little hope of a no kill again so your answer of what will happen tonight is, a dead townie!!! why not wait a while too lynch as there is time yet to see if one of the mafia makes a mistake...

A Hurry up vote seems vary suspicious!!!

Right now I am torn between a vote to lynch either

Dussle
Xen
Rev Kyle

I am not ready to vote but I am close...

I am starting to trust broom but he has a lot of experience and is likely very good at being mafia.
I trusted wicked last game, much to my dismay, but she seems different this time so I am feeling ok tword her.
moz and cram too as they have said things that hold up...

Still all of you scare the hell outta me.


One more thing... does anybody have an asprin or 6??? I need a nap!
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Postby reverend_kyle on Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:54 am

Really why not hurry freetymes? whether we kill someone or not no one knows whats going on.. things will probably clear up after the night.
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Postby wicked on Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:02 am

reverend_kyle wrote:Go back and read the thread with AK's last name in mind.


sorry Rev, too many pages!! lol why don't you help us narrow it down a bit??
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Postby HoussamTheGreat on Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:09 am

OK.. before I open my mouth here - no one suspects me right now, so if I were Mafia and wanted to remain under the radar, all I have to do is keep my mouth shut... so the only motivation here is to share..

I have problems all over - I guess I am getting the BogusBet bite and being suspicious of everything and everyone. Speaking of which - why is BogusBet not paranoid??

But what I am really uneasy with right now is Wicked actually! See - she did prove that she was my "husband" - no question in my mind there, I am positive about that. But in this game, Mafia are not a bunch of strangers in our midst - she could be my "husband" and still be infected.. (of course you are quick to think if "he" is infected, I am too - naaaa! The loser hasn't touched me in years! :P).
So that got me thinking a little bit.. And then I noticed an unprecedented naivete in her post.. suddenly she does not really know what is going on, which is VERY uncharacteristic of her. She seemed to have been somewhat caught by surprise with "healthy" townie - the backpedaling was elegant, I admit - but she seemed caught off guard nonetheless.

Then there is the whole stirring up of the safe zone bruhaha. Not sure what that was about either..

Then there is the general air of cluelessness at how the Mafia work - the subtle approval for a no-lynch vote - while Mafia could be silently infecting more and more people.. something just does not feel right..

Oh, and there is a minor point.. "he" did not mention our kid's name - which I find odd, since he is supposed to be the one parent that cares about the brat..

Of course this would make this like the fourth mafia role in a row for her - which is definitely NOT beyond Andy, but kinda defies the whole probability theory thingie...

I don't know if I have enough to vote wicked, but I certainly have enough to untrust her for now. I am sorry if I am not giving harder facts - I am sharing in case someone picks up on something here.
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Postby moz976 on Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:11 am

Ok I have spent the past hour or so pouring over all the posts so far in the game. I am working a theory right now but I won't give to much information on it right now because I don't want to affect peoples answers.

There are people that haven't given out as much information as the rest of us and that makes me suspisous of them. It's a long list but I need more info on these people to eliminate them from my theory

Most of all these three
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Dussle

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Rev

The first three have said the least about themselves the rest have given some info but not as much as the rest of us.

So what do you have to say?
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Postby autoload on Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:13 am

wicked wrote:Well auto, you showed no reason not to vote for dussle, only reasons to vote for IC. Why hasn't dussle come on to defend himself?? At least IC has done that. Sorry, but dussle's lack of posting is highly suspicious, as is RK's and Xenhu's.


On the top of page 20, judging by your post, it looks to me like you were aware of dussle's defense because of your response to Machiavelli and Master Bush stating that they had PM's that had the same words as dussle. Up to now I was pretty confident you were town, "Convieniently forgetting" information like this is mafia like behavior. Maybe it was an oversight, but it should still serve to remind all of us that anyone could be infected. Some are just more likely to be infected than others... :wink:

To briefly touch on dussle's defense...
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wicked wrote:the safety zone camp? huh? is that what your role stated?


That's what my role stated, that I dashed off towad the hospital safety zone, so all I can guess is tat i'm guarding the hospital.

Then you said...
wicked wrote:no, Andy mentioned that in the opening, that the 3 groups were guarding the locations.

Sorry, dus, not good enough for me...

vote dussle

He said his role said he dashed off toward the hospital, he DID NOT say that his role said he was guarding the hospital. He was only guessing. He probably only skimmed over the intro thinking it was just fluff thus not catching a lot of info.

I know personally I went into this game not quite expecting it to be this detailed thus I skimmed the first posts as well. I am sure others have as well.

Pretty soon some of us are going to have to switch sides if we want to get enough votes for a lynch. I will say that even though I am pushing for an AK lynch, if I see anybody that I am not reasonably sure is town at 8 votes and the deadline is drawing near I will not hesitate to cast the last vote.
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Postby autoload on Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:16 am

Bah! My last post was in response to wicked's comment to me at the top of page 21.
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Postby wicked on Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:19 am

HoussamTheGreat wrote:So that got me thinking a little bit.. And then I noticed an unprecedented naivete in her post.. suddenly she does not really know what is going on, which is VERY uncharacteristic of her. She seemed to have been somewhat caught by surprise with "healthy" townie - the backpedaling was elegant, I admit - but she seemed caught off guard nonetheless.

Then there is the whole stirring up of the safe zone bruhaha. Not sure what that was about either..

Then there is the general air of cluelessness at how the Mafia work - the subtle approval for a no-lynch vote - while Mafia could be silently infecting more and more people.. something just does not feel right..

Oh, and there is a minor point.. "he" did not mention our kid's name - which I find odd, since he is supposed to be the one parent that cares about the brat..


uhh, ok, this is out of nowhere... you either haven't read the whole thread, or are mafia. What I've said all along is the same thing you have said actually, that we don't know how this virus will affect the game, that people might not be lying and still have the potential to kill us since some affecteds might not know it yet.

You were given our kid's name? That was not in my PM at all, but what does that have to do with anything? And with the way you sleep around, how can I be even sure it's mine?

Oh and please point out with a quote exactly where I was "caught off guard"????? Because you're making up stuff there!!!
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Postby wicked on Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:25 am

auto, I am very aware of the one very short post by dussle in his defense. but that's been IT from this guy. you have defended him much more than he has defended himself!!! other accuseds are on here defending themselves constantly, yet he has one sentence and a total of what 4 posts?
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Postby autoload on Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:37 am

moz976 wrote:Ok I have spent the past hour or so pouring over all the posts so far in the game. I am working a theory right now but I won't give to much information on it right now because I don't want to affect peoples answers.

There are people that haven't given out as much information as the rest of us and that makes me suspisous of them. It's a long list but I need more info on these people to eliminate them from my theory

Most of all these three
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Dussle

Next
Mach
MB
Rev

The first three have said the least about themselves the rest have given some info but not as much as the rest of us.

So what do you have to say?


You know, I have posted quite a bit here and delved pretty deep to get some kind of argument to get someone suspicious lynched. You don't act very infected in this game, but I think you are barking up the wrong tree with this personal info stuff. Broomhead has expounded about why this is unneccesary here...
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wicked wrote:I for one would like to hear broomhead's name and 2 sentences about his charactar. Is that why you didn't want that to continue? Because yours is too damning?


seriously, I could lie to you, and you wouldn’t know the difference. But I won’t for one rule of mine. Lynch all liars. If you lie, you deserve to die. So understand I am doing this under full protest. I am claiming no abilities or flavor that leads to abilities. That doesn’t mean I do or don’t have them, just not claiming them.

So, also under protezst I will also loosely paraphrase my info:

My name is Han Po-Tsang, I am a healthy townie. I was heading north toward the Canadian wilderness after coming home from the war. Getting away from the memories if you will. I had little money and relied on hitchhiking. As we all know of the dangers of hitchhiking, you can guess what kind of situation might have came up to force me to make my escape and stumble upon the town.

That was very helpful now wasn't it?
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Postby moz976 on Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:46 am

autoload wrote:You know, I have posted quite a bit here and delved pretty deep to get some kind of argument to get someone suspicious lynched. You don't act very infected in this game, but I think you are barking up the wrong tree with this personal info stuff.


I just would like the info to be out there. Based on past Andy games that have been played he usually gives subtle hints in his descriptions that could help in the game.
I realize you could lie about it but you never know when something might connect two people.
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Postby autoload on Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:47 am

Well, I for one think that is good enough.

I just checked my PM again and it says that as I was running into town I saw signs for various safe zones, with the hospital one being the closest. That, added with Machiavelli's confirmation, and Master Bush backing down is convincing enough for me.
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Postby HoussamTheGreat on Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:49 am

wicked wrote:
You were given our kid's name? That was not in my PM at all, but what does that have to do with anything? And with the way you sleep around, how can I be even sure it's mine?



Well.. if you are so unsure, why then are you "fiercely" fighting for his custody?? Besides, this disgusting nose could have only come from you! :)
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Postby autoload on Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:50 am

Bah again! My last post was in response to wicked again.

Well moz, I will leave it at that. I suppose given the fact that anybody could lie about it then all of our bio's have equal weight.
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Postby autoload on Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:44 am

Some things of interest...
Freetymes wrote:I am also wondering about the comment by RK. He thinks we should hurry up and lynch someone so we can see what happens tonight...

Reply...
reverend_kyle wrote:Really why not hurry freetymes? whether we kill someone or not no one knows whats going on.. things will probably clear up after the night.

Kyle's previous post about 9 hours and 15 minutes before the post quoted above about lynching ...
reverend_kyle wrote:I think a no lynch would be a good move to sort of call the move by the mafia.

There was only one post between the 2 above quoted posts and it did not pertain to lynching. I will quote it also...
reverend_kyle wrote:Go back and read the thread with AK's last name in mind.

Why can't these guys get their stories straight? Freetymes might have got RK confused with someone else, but how could RK not know what position he stood on when it came to lynching or no lynching? Very suspicious.


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Postby Freetymes on Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:17 pm

Hey Auto I have to agree about the FOS on RK! I looked back and found this so you did not think I had my people crossed.

RK wrote this on 11Jan @ 1645 (pg 16)

reverend_kyle wrote:Also, I feel that we should almost hastily lynch someone for the simple reason of we need to find out what is to come. If we spend forever in day 1 we aren't really going to know much of anything... which is why I've been posting less, is because everything is running us uncertain..


He has been all over the place when he does post and I think when you put it up against the posts Auto put in above is is very telling!
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Postby Freetymes on Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:20 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:I think a no lynch would be a good move to sort of call the move by the mafia.



Whice is it Kyle???
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Postby trestain on Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:30 pm

after the last few posts i need to think about a few things, with that in mind.

unvote no lynch

I may well go back to no lynch but this reverend kyle thing also adds weight to AK being mafia due to the fact that AK openly says that rev is the only one he trusts right now.

I think we should be choosing between Rev, AK and no lynch today.
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Postby autoload on Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:45 pm

I agree trestain. I've been trying to find a way to finger kyle after AK said he trusted kyle. I noticed the discrepancies above and decided to let it out and see what others thought.

AK or kyle... I would support a lynch on either of those two. Let us hear from the others and see which they view as more suspicious.
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Postby Freetymes on Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:51 pm

Well I see there has been issues with them both too and I agree with the above.

IMHO I feel that RK has been very unlike himself in his number of posts. He also has not had a credible argument or come forth in any way. He has flip flopped on the lynch issue and with all of this coming up has not come forward to explain these issues.

AK has suspicion on him too and I have said so before. The thing is he has at least tried to explain and there is only the issues of his initial personal description and his "Trust" in RK.

I think if we lynch one we will learn about the other.

In my mind Kyle seems the worst of the two so I will go with him.

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