Rolegift Mafia, All Present

[Skoffin]

Well hell. My defense post wasn't as good as I thought. And I worked so hard on it too

I'm town and I think I'm the tracker gift giver as I gave that to skoffin and the person I sent my gift to for yesterday hasn't spoken up if they got it.

Lynch me if you want but when I die Pancake,Safari, and Kwanton should be looked into as there the ring leaders on me right now.

Before anyone says anything, could you go over your PM's and clarify who you gave your gift to last night and the night before?

[naxus]

Well hell. My defense post wasn't as good as I thought. And I worked so hard on it too

I'm town and I think I'm the tracker gift giver as I gave that to skoffin and the person I sent my gift to for yesterday hasn't spoken up if they got it.

Lynch me if you want but when I die Pancake,Safari, and Kwanton should be looked into as there the ring leaders on me right now.

Before anyone says anything, could you go over your PM's and clarify who you gave your gift to last night and the night before?

Day one I gave my gift to you
Day two I sent my gift to Tails

[pancakemix]

Day one I gave my gift to you
Day two I sent my gift to Tails

I got the library card last (cop) last night and the magnifying glass (tracker).

Someone is lying.

[Skoffin]

Could potentially have been a gift swap.

However, naxus, how can you be sure of what gift you gave? It seems you only know by what I had as the other recipient has not come forward with their gifts. I had four gifts yesterday, so you could technically be any of them.

[naxus]

It's actually my anniversary today so I'll not be on long, I just wanted to mention though:

It looks like Squirrel and I hogged most of the gifts For the record, I received a tracking ability and used it on Safari. He did indeed visit Mr Squirrel.

I only assumed I had the tracking ability because of Skoffin's post here Day two.

Fastposted:And I dont know until Tails comes forward with what he got to cross reference with what you had yesterday

[kwanton]

Day one I gave my gift to you
Day two I sent my gift to Tails

I got the library card last (cop) last night and the magnifying glass (tracker).

Someone is lying.

AFAIK skoff never revealed that the tracker was a magnifying glass. We can easily confirm that I'm telling the truth if she will corroborate since I would have no way of knowing that the magnifying glass was a tracker unless I actually received the role.

[Skoffin]

I can indeed confirm that the tracking ability came with a magnifying glass.

I believe I have revealed 3/4 of the gifts I received yesterday. Unless something really tricksy happened then Nexus is not the tracker gifter, I'm also ruling him out as the killing gifter as I believe that came from Ga7. Assuming for the moment that he is telling the truth in gifting me, this leaves him as either giving the roleblock ability or the unmentioned one.

Thought: I could reveal my unmentioned gift and see if Tails claims the same, or Tails could claim his gifts and I then could reveal mine if it matches any.

Thoughts on this? I can't see how it'd hurt the town, but I'd like others to comment in case I have not thought of something. I mention the second option merely because I trust none of you and I'd rather 'confirm' stuff myself then to reveal things that others agree/confirm with. (Just in case of any 'buddy backing' scenario. I'm sure you understand )

[spiesr]

Thoughts on this?

Well. see how it would really hurt that much of anything. On the other hand, it likely won't be that helpful either. Due to the nature of the game, the case on naxus applies regardless of whatever his gift happens to be. It also doesn't really matter if he knows what his gift is or not. The only use I could see it being, is if he is caught in a lie, if you and TA1LGUNN3R did receive the same gift.

Uhhh pretty sure it was tail who said that not me. it's tail that you quoted lol. But regardless that is an interesting point.

Umm, it looks like I confused the two of you when I made that post. Oh well, you caught my mistake and the error itself probably won't make any meaningful difference.

[kwanton]

nah I'm just being a stickler lol. That post was more in jest than anything.

Your mistake is completely understandable given our avatars too lol.

[safariguy5]

Well hell. My defense post wasn't as good as I thought. And I worked so hard on it too

I'm town and I think I'm the tracker gift giver as I gave that to skoffin and the person I sent my gift to for yesterday hasn't spoken up if they got it.

Lynch me if you want but when I die Pancake,Safari, and Kwanton should be looked into as there the ring leaders on me right now.

Oh great, a blanket OMGUS on the people on your case right now. How am I not surprised?

[Fircoal]

Day one I gave my gift to you
Day two I sent my gift to Tails

I got the library card last (cop) last night and the magnifying glass (tracker).

Someone is lying.

Or just wrong? As scummy as Naxus is, this sounds a bit like fishing (with an old rod no less).

[Fircoal]

Well hell. My defense post wasn't as good as I thought. And I worked so hard on it too

I'm town and I think I'm the tracker gift giver as I gave that to skoffin and the person I sent my gift to for yesterday hasn't spoken up if they got it.

Lynch me if you want but when I die Pancake,Safari, and Kwanton should be looked into as there the ring leaders on me right now.

Are you trying to look scummy? You FOS everyone on your wagon for no reason other than being on your wagon, you state that you don't know if you're 3rd party or town and you try to take credit for tracker gift. (well actually that seems more like a case of skimming, you silleh). I'd vote you but we already have enough votes on your for the moment.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I received no tracker gift yesterday. The closest I got to that was a watcher (glowstick). I watched Fircoal, no one visited him.

-Tails

[Commander9]

No surprises here, but I got nothing today.

[spiesr]

I received no tracker gift yesterday. The closest I got to that was a watcher (glowstick).

Since Squirrel claimed to have had that day 1 I presume that is not the other other gift Skoffin got day 1. Well then, I suppose that the question then is did you receive something else that Skoffin could had gotten day 1, or is naxus lying putting the final nail in his coffin?

[naxus]

Well hell. My defense post wasn't as good as I thought. And I worked so hard on it too

I'm town and I think I'm the tracker gift giver as I gave that to skoffin and the person I sent my gift to for yesterday hasn't spoken up if they got it.

Lynch me if you want but when I die Pancake,Safari, and Kwanton should be looked into as there the ring leaders on me right now.

Oh great, a blanket OMGUS on the people on your case right now. How am I not surprised?

Yes your on my case but three votes on me in a few posts? Just seems scummy to me

[safariguy5]

Well hell. My defense post wasn't as good as I thought. And I worked so hard on it too

I'm town and I think I'm the tracker gift giver as I gave that to skoffin and the person I sent my gift to for yesterday hasn't spoken up if they got it.

Lynch me if you want but when I die Pancake,Safari, and Kwanton should be looked into as there the ring leaders on me right now.

Oh great, a blanket OMGUS on the people on your case right now. How am I not surprised?

Yes your on my case but three votes on me in a few posts? Just seems scummy to me

All it's proving so far is that several people agree that you seem scummy. It's not like the bw occurred out out nowhere.

[kwanton]

I received no tracker gift yesterday. The closest I got to that was a watcher (glowstick).

Since Squirrel claimed to have had that day 1 I presume that is not the other other gift Skoffin got day 1. Well then, I suppose that the question then is did you receive something else that Skoffin could had gotten day 1, or is naxus lying putting the final nail in his coffin?

Just curious about something. Since you were a replacement, did you / tell you what gifts campin/you received day 1?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I received no tracker gift yesterday. The closest I got to that was a watcher (glowstick).

Since Squirrel claimed to have had that day 1 I presume that is not the other other gift Skoffin got day 1. Well then, I suppose that the question then is did you receive something else that Skoffin could had gotten day 1, or is naxus lying putting the final nail in his coffin?

Just curious about something. Since you were a replacement, did you / tell you what gifts campin/you received day 1?

He didn't gift any and slash didn't mention whether he received any. I could ask if you want me too.

I received no tracker gift yesterday. The closest I got to that was a watcher (glowstick).

Since Squirrel claimed to have had that day 1 I presume that is not the other other gift Skoffin got day 1. Well then, I suppose that the question then is did you receive something else that Skoffin could had gotten day 1, or is naxus lying putting the final nail in his coffin?

So I tried a little theory of mine. I got a jailkeep. I blocked Kwan. I didn't mention this earlier because I posted:

I was thte one that got the roleblovk this last night (rope) I used it on Commander. I wonder if the power was bus driven. I also got some bandages (doc protection) which I use don Safari. MAybe Safari was the one targeted?

So you roleblocked Commander, protected Saf, and nobody died? And he gives out a role that is confusing to the town?

-Tails

I figured that if Kwan was mafia (or any of his scummies who didn't know he was roleblocked), then they would've jumped all over this to get Commander lynched, a townie who looked pretty scummy. Kwan hasn't said anything, and no one else has either (spiesr mentioned something, but not much), so I'm of the opinion that Commander is actually a mafioso.

I'm ready to vote for Commander, but the case on naxus is still unresolved. If Skoffin got a jailkeep and not a roleblock, then naxus isn't lying about his rolegifts. However, the rest of the case by pcm against him is very good (except the bright pink text . I have to tilt my laptop to try and read it.)

I will await anybody's thoughts on my post before voting for naxus or Commander.

-Tails

[Commander9]

I figured that if Kwan was mafia (or any of his scummies who didn't know he was roleblocked), then they would've jumped all over this to get Commander lynched, a townie who looked pretty scummy. Kwan hasn't said anything, and no one else has either (spiesr mentioned something, but not much), so I'm of the opinion that Commander is actually a mafioso.

I'm ready to vote for Commander, but the case on naxus is still unresolved. If Skoffin got a jailkeep and not a roleblock, then naxus isn't lying about his rolegifts. However, the rest of the case by pcm against him is very good (except the bright pink text . I have to tilt my laptop to try and read it.)

I will await anybody's thoughts on my post before voting for naxus or Commander.

-Tails

Just out of curiosity? Do you actually have any case? And where exactly I have been scummy?

[spiesr]

If Skoffin got a jailkeep and not a roleblock, then naxus isn't lying about his rolegifts.

Jailkeeper was also claimed by Squirrel on day 1. So unless I am misunderstanding something somewhere along the line, then naxus did not send a gift to Skoffin day 1 and you day 2. This means he is either lying or even more clueless than usual.

[Skoffin]

I did not get a jailkeep, so unless Tail also had some other gift that's not mentioned it is looking like Naxus fibbed on who he gave things to. I'm inclined to vote Naxus at this stage unless something else comes to light, I'd like to see a current vote count first though.

[kwanton]

OK so I was jailkept last night. That explains a lot.

And comm I think tail's suspicion on you is based on three factors. There was no kill, you were roleblocked, and you give a gift that pretty much is just there to screw the town up ( if it's insane rather than paranoid it could still screw us up if we thought it was a sane cop role). this is kind of suspicious however this doesn't seem like a strong enough case to me which is why I didn't say anything.

This doesn't strike me as a lynchable suspicion for a few reasons. First gifts seem random this game and I thought they didn't have anything to do with alignment. I mean, commuter isn't really a mafia role and that was squirrel's gift. Second, we have two roleblocks, a doc, and a busdriver that have been confirmed that could screw up night kills. Last night's no kill could be due to any number of reasons. Third, the only semi-scummy thing comm has done is tried to lead that early day 1 bandwagon on me. I think we've all agreed that no one was really scummy there tho and it was a misunderstanding.

So comm doesn't really strike me as someone scummy. That doesn't mean he's cleared in my eyes but he doesn't really look particularly scummy to me.

And yes, tail can you ask / what gifts campin received night 1? Also if you received a gift other than jailkeeper can you tell us? That would help us solve our case against naxus. Unless you think any of the gifts you got would be better for town if its unrevealed. We haven't seen one yet and I can't think of any off the top of my head but there could still be a role like that in this game.

[safariguy5]

OK so I was jailkept last night. That explains a lot.

And comm I think tail's suspicion on you is based on three factors. There was no kill, you were roleblocked, and you give a gift that pretty much is just there to screw the town up ( if it's insane rather than paranoid it could still screw us up if we thought it was a sane cop role). this is kind of suspicious however this doesn't seem like a strong enough case to me which is why I didn't say anything.

This doesn't strike me as a lynchable suspicion for a few reasons. First gifts seem random this game and I thought they didn't have anything to do with alignment. I mean, commuter isn't really a mafia role and that was squirrel's gift. Second, we have two roleblocks, a doc, and a busdriver that have been confirmed that could screw up night kills. Last night's no kill could be due to any number of reasons. Third, the only semi-scummy thing comm has done is tried to lead that early day 1 bandwagon on me. I think we've all agreed that no one was really scummy there tho and it was a misunderstanding.

So comm doesn't really strike me as someone scummy. That doesn't mean he's cleared in my eyes but he doesn't really look particularly scummy to me.

And yes, tail can you ask / what gifts campin received night 1? Also if you received a gift other than jailkeeper can you tell us? That would help us solve our case against naxus. Unless you think any of the gifts you got would be better for town if its unrevealed. We haven't seen one yet and I can't think of any off the top of my head but there could still be a role like that in this game.

Don't forget that last night I got a governor present and a present which renders me voteless (which I strongly believe is a mafia gift).

[spiesr]

Don't forget that last night I got a governor present and a present which renders me voteless (which I strongly believe is a mafia gift).

If we assume that it is a mafia gift, then that would imply that they did not target for a kill last night. Why would they send anything to a person that they were trying to kill anyway?
I wonder who got such a gift on night 1? If you had it feel free to speak up, my spreadsheet wants to know.
Let's see, the only people alive yesterday who didn't vote were: TA1LGUNN3R, pancakemix, naxus and myself. My vote was stolen by squirrels and I didn't see anything about any chocolates in the pm. Naxus claimed not have received any gifts either night, although if he is scum and got one from a buddy he might have lied about it for some reason. The other two were replacement for players who were inactive that day. It could also have gone to ga7. But, if he was killed by the scum then that raises questions of why they would send such a gift to someone they were killing as then they can't find out what it is or anything.

Also if you received a gift other than jailkeeper can you tell us? That would help us solve our case against naxus. Unless you think any of the gifts you got would be better for town if its unrevealed. We haven't seen one yet and I can't think of any off the top of my head but there could still be a role like that in this game.

Are you asking TA1LGUNN3R or Skoffin if they received anything else? I was under the impression that those two roles were all that TA1LGUNN3R got last night. Skoffin claims to have gotten one gift on night 1 that he hasn't mentioned just yet. There are only two possibilities for this role. Mr. Squirrel's commuter power, or the single remaining gift that we have no information on yet. Every gift in the game save for one has been revealed at this point. (Unless someone lied.)