Simpsons Mafia (8 of 13) Endgame, Town Win!

[pancakemix]

Pretender was always scum, so Wiggum cannot be insane. Therefore, the only way to prove Saf's role is to lynch pershy. If he flips cult, it doesn't necessarily incriminate LSU, as he visited him Night 1. I'm going to

Vote Pershy

and see what happens. TBH, my gut was telling me to go this way anyway.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Godfather would show up as innocent on an investigation by a competent cop. Hence I maintain wiggum is insane. Also depending on the mod cults may or may not show up on investigations.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Disregard the godfather comment as pretender was cult not gf

[pancakemix]

Godfather would show up as innocent on an investigation by a competent cop. Hence I maintain wiggum is insane. Also depending on the mod cults may or may not show up on investigations.

I have never heard this. YOU have never heard this. What are you hiding?

[pershy]

Alright, I have some information, but I don't know if it's reliable.

I am Chief Wiggum, the Town cop.

I investigated pretender Night 1 and he came back guilty.

I investigated pershy Night 2 and he also came back guilty.

Two main possibilities here I think.

1. I'm a sane cop and both are anti-town (hence the guilty result). This is the most straightforward one.

2. Due to flavor (Wiggum is pretty incompetent), I cannot discount that I am a paranoid cop. The odds are slightly higher, but given possible cult+mafia in this game, we may have more anti-town that we think.

Regardless, I think it's definitely something to go on in lieu of something better.

vote pershy

Interesting.
I'm not very happy about this safari -
a. why did you investigate me?
and b.why do you have to claim so early?
c.When you say guilty do you mean guilty scum or guilty 3rd party?

Also this means that I'll have to be outed and claim and stuff but that's fine so I might as well come forward with what I know.

I was indeed converted on N1. On D1 I was town and my win condition was to eliminate threats to town. I have a power but it's limited so I chose not to use it on N1. Then 77 came along and converted me and got himself lynched. I'm am now 3rd party converted cult member and my win condition became - I win when all remaining players are converted cult members. GREAT! I checked with the MOD and he said I'm basically f****d, cause the leader is dead and I can't convert anyone. I cannot win anymore, I have already lost this game cause I got converted into the stupid cult.

Obviously I still want town to win.

There's more

[pershy]

I am Groundskeeper Willie - JOAT

I have a few actions I can perform at night but once I've used it that's it.

Last night I used my investigation - I investigated Shaggy Dan.

The result came back as guilty

I'd say this result is a tad more reliable than chief Wiggum.

vote Shaggy Dan

[pmchugh]

Interesting, I actually considered a conversion because pershy was the one who went after him day 1. And I think that is the first time I have ever seen anyone claim to be cult Obviously pershy is scum of some kind, the question is whether we believe him to keep hi malive another night. I think it is unlikely that cult can still recruit, but if they can this would be a huge set back to keep him alive. On the flip side his information could be true, but I am not entirely convinced yet.

Can you please state all of your available actions, the ones you have used and why you used them at that time.

[ShaggyDan]

Although not impossible I find it hard to believe that a mod would leave the recruited cult members with no win condition. I would have thought they would either die, return to town or become survivors. Unless the ability to recruit was passed on to someone else alive which I don't think we can discount. I see no reason to either believe pershy or not vote him.

In any case vote pershy, he's claimed cult... And even if he's lying about being cult there's still a guilty cop result on him. I find it very hard to believe he's working for town and as a result I don't think his accusation on me holds much weight. I can say for certain that I'm town and that revealing my role at this stage would most likely be non beneficial for town. I am happy to name claim
if people are concerned (and will role claim if people feel it is nescesary). I personally think at the 'guilty' result he has is an effort to stay alive one more day so he can recruit, though i'm not discounting the possibilities of framers or busdrivers.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Vote Pershy sorry to see you turn out to be culted. glad you weren't the first night when i went to you.

[TheForgivenOne]

I personally think at the 'guilty' result he has is an effort to stay alive one more day so he can recruit, though i'm not discounting the possibilities of framers or busdrivers.

Well, at the beginning of the day, he did say he already had his vote sorted out, but he wanted to have others chip in, so I don't know if he pulled this out of his pocket and went "Tada! I'm useful!"

I already have my vote ready, and will share it once everyone else has chipped in. No hurry...but let's say I've got a good feeling about this one.

So I think his vote always would have been on you. I'm not defending him, because cult is indeed bad, and I don't know if I trust him when he say's that he can't recruit, but, you know, just saying.

Vote Pershy

[pershy]

Hmm- well I didn't expect this at all. From Shaggy yes but not from LSU or Forgiven.

In fact I am furious by this reaction!!!!!

YOU THINK I'M JOKING WHEN I SAY I'VE LOST THIS GAME ALREADY BUT STILL WANNA HELP TOWN???

I have become totally transparent and told you guys everything. Also more importantly I have 3 more actions I can use at night. And yet you vote me????
LSU - u hid behind me on N1! And yet you vote me?????

Forgiven one - you're voting me too? Yes I did say I had my vote ready cause I investigated last night.

Shaggy - well THAT FIGURES!!!

I'm sorry but I have to say what my true reaction is to this BS....and that is DISGUST!!!!!
I don't believe that everyone in this game are IDIOTS!!!! AT LEAST I DON'T WANT TO!!!

OK - I've calmed down. I'm sure others will vote me as the chain reaction has started. I am still so disgusted by the lack of intelligence that is on display here since I laid EVERY F***ING THING DOWN ON THE LINE 4 U GUYS - that I might not even check in again to see more incredibly stupid guys voting me

Just remember these words once I'm dead -

1 - I AM 3rd PARTY NOW - YES - BUT NOT SCUM. YOU WILL HAVE LEARNED NOTHING FROM LYNCHING ME. THE RESULT WILL BE - YOU HAVE LYNCHED PERSHY CULT RECRUITEE - JOAT.
AND THE SCUM WILL STILL BE PRESENT.
BTW - 3rd PARTY IS NOT SCUM. SCUM IS MAFIA And yes cult is bad but would I have shared that I was cult if I could still recruit and win????? I can't so I did - get with the F****** PROGRAM!!!! I've already lost this so I don't give a SH*** - I WANTED TOWN TO WIN - BUT IF TOWN ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS THEN MAYBE THEY DON'T DESERVE TO F******* WIN!!!!
2 - YOU WILL HAVE LOST 3 NIGHT ABILITIES OF MINE BY LYNCHING ME - that's cool. Town don't deserve my abilities if you're gonna be so stupid. And I'll prob be Nkilled next night anyway if safari isn't first. Of course - you lynch me and then that leaves mafia free to kill s guy and that's 2 power roles down for D3. (not that safari guy has a clue anyway - a. he investigated the wrong person and b. he got the wrong result. I am not GUILTY or scum. Scum are still out there and as yet undetected apart from Shaggy Dan who I DETECTED! Don't forget that on D3!!!)
3 - did I mention I'm NOT scum and oh yeah I HAVE A POWER ROLE - IDIOTS!!!!
4 - I will be dead - you will see that everything I have said is true - so what's next - well I told you that I investigated Shaggy and he came up as guilty. So that's a lead. Ugh - I can't even be bothered to say any more. I've done everything I can to help town, even though it's not even in my interest any more. I like hunting scum and I was chuffed to get this role. Then I got converted and can't win anyway but still enjoy the game and hunting scum and shared everything I know.

And now this.

Just kill me and be in the dark as you were on D1 and D2. I can't be bothered to have to defend myself from now on. I exposed Shaggy for you at least which you will soon enough realise, and I could expose other guys for you but I can see I'm just gonna get voted or N killed so all I can say is good luck town. And mafia - well you ARE going down - even after you manage to lynch me. And if not it's cause u deserve to win cause ur smarter than town. TSK!!!!

[pmchugh]

YOU THINK I'M JOKING WHEN I SAY I'VE LOST THIS GAME ALREADY BUT STILL WANNA HELP TOWN???

You are a cult member, despite being town myself I would hate for you to town side. There is no point, it is NOT your win condition and I consider it borderline cheating to work against your WC, even if it is near impossible to win.

I have become totally transparent and told you guys everything. Also more importantly I have 3 more actions I can use at night. And yet you vote me????

Actually you haven't, I want to hear all your possible actions and how you used them in the past.

LSU - u hid behind me on N1! And yet you vote me?????

You were town then, you are not now.

I'm sorry but I have to say what my true reaction is to this BS....and that is DISGUST!!!!!
I don't believe that everyone in this game are IDIOTS!!!! AT LEAST I DON'T WANT TO!!!

Actually, you claimed cult so don't call other people idiots.

OK - I've calmed down. I'm sure others will vote me as the chain reaction has started. I am still so disgusted by the lack of intelligence that is on display here since I laid EVERY F***ING THING DOWN ON THE LINE 4 U GUYS - that I might not even check in again to see more incredibly stupid guys voting me

I think it is worth repeating, you CLAIMED CULT.

1 - I AM 3rd PARTY NOW - YES - BUT NOT SCUM. YOU WILL HAVE LEARNED NOTHING FROM LYNCHING ME. THE RESULT WILL BE - YOU HAVE LYNCHED PERSHY CULT RECRUITEE - JOAT.

You are scum, cult cannot win with the town and we will have to kill you at some point.

AND THE SCUM WILL STILL BE PRESENT.

Mafia will still be present, and I would like to hear a full role claim from shaggy because I believe you are telling the truth.

BTW - 3rd PARTY IS NOT SCUM. SCUM IS MAFIA And yes cult is bad but would I have shared that I was cult if I could still recruit and win????? I can't so I did - get with the F****** PROGRAM!!!! I've already lost this so I don't give a SH*** - I WANTED TOWN TO WIN - BUT IF TOWN ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS THEN MAYBE THEY DON'T DESERVE TO F******* WIN!!!!

Cult and mafia are equally bad, cult is scum. You are just like a second mafia faction, the only difference is that cult could potentially recruit me which you cannot. I don't see how you don't understand that you are 100% anti-town?

2 - YOU WILL HAVE LOST 3 NIGHT ABILITIES OF MINE BY LYNCHING ME - that's cool.

Those three actions should not be of any use to us.

(not that safari guy has a clue anyway - a. he investigated the wrong person and b. he got the wrong result.

He investigated the correct person and got the correct result. CULT IS SCUM, CULT IS GUILTY. SERIOUSLY DUDE.

If you are gonna go on a big rage get your facts straight first, town cannot win while you live. The only difference is whether we kill you now or later and quite frankly your actions are a liability.

[pershy]

YOU THINK I'M JOKING WHEN I SAY I'VE LOST THIS GAME ALREADY BUT STILL WANNA HELP TOWN???

You are a cult member, despite being town myself I would hate for you to town side. There is no point, it is NOT your win condition and I consider it borderline cheating to work against your WC, even if it is near impossible to win.
WHAT!?!?!?! You would HATE for me to help town??? My win condition is impossible to achieve. I still consider myself town at heart even though I've been converted (despite town's reation)I repeat - I cannot win anymore, but I still want town to win - especially as I started as town. I still can't get my head around your first point. ARGH!!! It's sooo frustrating! borderline cheating! Really, what are you on!!!!

I have become totally transparent and told you guys everything. Also more importantly I have 3 more actions I can use at night. And yet you vote me????

Actually you haven't, I want to hear all your possible actions and how you used them in the past.

YES I HAVE! PAY ATTENTION!
N1 - no action
N2 - investigated Shaggy Dan - result - GUILTY!
Still got 3 more actions.

LSU - u hid behind me on N1! And yet you vote me?????

You were town then, you are not now.
Well THANKS for pointing that out!

I'm sorry but I have to say what my true reaction is to this BS....and that is DISGUST!!!!!
I don't believe that everyone in this game are IDIOTS!!!! AT LEAST I DON'T WANT TO!!!

Actually, you claimed cult so don't call other people idiots.
Um - I don't understand this logic. I'm calling them idiots for voting me. And I have stated why - i-e- I have claimed and am obviously not lying. Therefore I am on towns side, and still have powers, therefore can help town, and am NOT SCUM. The point is to hunt scum. 3rd party are already at a dead end in this game. That argument is over. I've put it in plain light for you guys. And yet I get voted immediately. IDIOTS IDIOTS IDIOTS!!!!

OK - I've calmed down. I'm sure others will vote me as the chain reaction has started. I am still so disgusted by the lack of intelligence that is on display here since I laid EVERY F***ING THING DOWN ON THE LINE 4 U GUYS - that I might not even check in again to see more incredibly stupid guys voting me

I think it is worth repeating, you CLAIMED CULT.
Yes - and why is that a bad thing? I claimed to help you out! I am ONLY CULT MEMBER. I HAVE LOST. I AM AS GOOD AS DEAD. I AM INTERESTED IN SCUM!!!! AND YOU SHOULD BE. OMG.

1 - I AM 3rd PARTY NOW - YES - BUT NOT SCUM. YOU WILL HAVE LEARNED NOTHING FROM LYNCHING ME. THE RESULT WILL BE - YOU HAVE LYNCHED PERSHY CULT RECRUITEE - JOAT.

You are scum, cult cannot win with the town and we will have to kill you at some point.

AND THE SCUM WILL STILL BE PRESENT.

Mafia will still be present, and I would like to hear a full role claim from shaggy because I believe you are telling the truth.
Thanks. But it doesn't matter what he claims. I'm 90% sure my result is correct. I don't think it would be faulty. You don't get insane JOATS as far as I know.

BTW - 3rd PARTY IS NOT SCUM. SCUM IS MAFIA And yes cult is bad but would I have shared that I was cult if I could still recruit and win????? I can't so I did - get with the F****** PROGRAM!!!! I've already lost this so I don't give a SH*** - I WANTED TOWN TO WIN - BUT IF TOWN ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS THEN MAYBE THEY DON'T DESERVE TO F******* WIN!!!!

Cult and mafia are equally bad, cult is scum. You are just like a second mafia faction, the only difference is that cult could potentially recruit me which you cannot. I don't see how you don't understand that you are 100% anti-town?
Oh come on! That is stupid. Let me ask you something. If you started as town and then got converted - you would carry on trying to win right? Sure. I defended pretender. He died. I lose, he loses. Then what would you do? You still have an investigative roll. Would you suddenly want scum to win? No! I may not be town any more that's true...but I ain't scum! EQUALS I AM ON TOWN'S SIDE!!!

2 - YOU WILL HAVE LOST 3 NIGHT ABILITIES OF MINE BY LYNCHING ME - that's cool.

Those three actions should not be of any use to us.
UM...SO IF I WATCH TRACK OR GUN INVESTIGATE SOMEONE THAT'S OF NO USE TO YOU? OMG! I CANNOT BELIEVE I AM EVEN ENTERTAINING THIS ARGUMENT!

(not that safari guy has a clue anyway - a. he investigated the wrong person and b. he got the wrong result.

He investigated the correct person and got the correct result. CULT IS SCUM, CULT IS GUILTY. SERIOUSLY DUDE.

If you are gonna go on a big rage get your facts straight first, town cannot win while you live. The only difference is whether we kill you now or later and quite frankly your actions are a liability.

Get my facts straight??? I already laid down the facts - as straight as I could. My actions are a liability? I gave you information. I investigated a player. I got converted and was up front about it for town's sake. And my actions are a liability!?!?!?!

[pershy]

oh I missed a point -

You are scum, cult cannot win with the town and we will have to kill you at some point.

Imagine I stayed alive til the end - town wins when all threats are eliminated.

I AM NO LONGER A THREAT!!!!

You have to eliminate mafia. You remember them right??????

Anyway - sorry for ranting. Just enjoying the game. I really AM surprised by these reactions though and I REALLY do NOT respect them or think they are intelligent but there you have it.
As I say, just enjoying the game and participating to the max.

Going back to this point - yeah sure go ahead and lynch me - give me all your attention etc but I don't see how it benefits town. I really don't - I'm still shocked to be honest by this but whatever!

[pershy]

You are a cult member, despite being town myself I would hate for you to town side. There is no point, it is NOT your win condition and I consider it borderline cheating to work against your WC, even if it is near impossible to win.

I am still incredulous at this point!!!!
My WC is not near impossible. It IS impossible. Does that mean I shouldn't play? I shouldn't claim? I shouldn't share my result? I shouldn't play in the interest of town? I wish you had been recruited instead!

I would FOS pmchugh if it wasn't for the fact that he was on BK's case.

Anyway - BK is down - Shaggy will be next even if I have to be lynched 1st. Who is the other 1 or possibly 2?

[thechuck51]

vote shaggy

pershy can be dealt with at any time and he cant kill anybody at night. We need to take out mafia now when we have the chance.

[pmchugh]

Pershy:

1. A Cult recruit is a threat to town, the game would not end till you were lynched.
2. I would have tried TO FULFILL MY WIN CONDITION. This is like the 10 millionth time I have seen someone try to townside when YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF TOWN. All you are doing now is influencing the outcome of a game in which you have no side, and it is incredibly frustrating when you are on the other end of it. I call it borderline cheating because there is no reason for you to have sided with town at all. This seriously gets on my tits, even if I am town.
3. What are your other 3 actions?

THE POINT OF MAFIA IS TO FULFILL YOUR WIN CONDITION! NOT FOR TOWN TO WIN. That is aimed at everyone not just pershy, and for every game. I would probably mod kill you. You should have claimed JOAT and then played it like an SK without a kill.

I still agree though that pershy should not be lynched, at least until shaggy claims. unvote vote shaggy

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Last time I stayed with you it was safe for me. Staying there now would kill me. I will change to hammer elsewhere if need be though

[pancakemix]

You are a cult member, despite being town myself I would hate for you to town side. There is no point, it is NOT your win condition and I consider it borderline cheating to work against your WC, even if it is near impossible to win.

I am still incredulous at this point!!!!
My WC is not near impossible. It IS impossible. Does that mean I shouldn't play? I shouldn't claim? I shouldn't share my result? I shouldn't play in the interest of town? I wish you had been recruited instead!

I would FOS pmchugh if it wasn't for the fact that he was on BK's case.

Anyway - BK is down - Shaggy will be next even if I have to be lynched 1st. Who is the other 1 or possibly 2?

It is possible. Not likely, but possible. You shouldn't abandon hope so abruptly.

However, I am going to Unvote vote shaggy as he is amore immediate threat.

[pershy]

vote shaggy

pershy can be dealt with at any time and he cant kill anybody at night. We need to take out mafia now when we have the chance.

Exactly you can leave me til last or at least til later.

Last time I stayed with you it was safe for me. Staying there now would kill me. I will change to hammer elsewhere if need be though

I don't think so. I'm not sure but I think the hider only dies if he hides behind mafia not 3rd party.
That's good to use the role to try and ascertain innocence of another player. Always a gamble though. When I was Modding a game the hider died on N1. He chose poorly.

[safariguy5]

So it looks like I'm sane. Who would have thunk it?

I suppose pershy could still help us, although if we get down to like 3 people, he could use the vig kill to kill a townie and then win via endgame. Certainly, we can handle it later given that pershy has given us a lead to pursue, but I hope you do realize you will have to die at some point right pershy?

However, I see no real reason for cult to lie about a guilty result.

unvote vote shaggydan

As for your question about why I would investigate you pershy, (disregarding the whole "you picked the wrong target for investigation" nonsense") it was mostly due to what I perceived as a compliment you paid me yesterday. I wanted to keep that comment from influencing my read on you, so I decided to play it safe and investigate you.

Honestly, I thought that you could have played cult differently, given you got a guilty. If you had claimed townie and given us the guilty, that would have given you lots of town cred, especially since you still have your powers. You could have survived until endgame and then shot one of 2 townies left to win it.

[ShaggyDan]

I still find it very hard to swallow; "I'm cult but believe me because I say I can't win." If there was no way for you to win surely you would have been killed with the leader. I'm betting this is just a way to get another recruit in the night through a one shot power or something similar.

The problem is even if you have no way to win, then what is your motivation still to help town? You've said your allignment is not town and your win condition is different to towns... And people still believe you have towns best interests at heart?!

As for the claim: I am very reluctant to do so, but looks like I don't have a choice. I am Marge Simpson, Town Lover. I think you can obviously guess who the pairing is. There's slightly more to my role but I definitely don't think it's beneficial to town to reveal at the moment.

[pershy]

So it looks like I'm sane. Who would have thunk it?

I guess so, but depends on the result. I guess you can get a guilty result for 3rd party people. Sometimes you get a third party result but it depends on the discretion of the mod.

I suppose pershy could still help us, although if we get down to like 3 people, he could use the vig kill to kill a townie and then win via endgame. Certainly, we can handle it later given that pershy has given us a lead to pursue, but I hope you do realize you will have to die at some point right pershy?

Would be happy to but don't have a vig kill power. I have investigate (used) and watch and track and gun investigate.

However, I see no real reason for cult to lie about a guilty result.

yeah there wouldn't be much sense in lying. My result could be faulty but I don't see how.

Honestly, I thought that you could have played cult differently, given you got a guilty. If you had claimed townie and given us the guilty, that would have given you lots of town cred, especially since you still have your powers. You could have survived until endgame and then shot one of 2 townies left to win it.

yeah I could have but seeing as you got a guilty result on me I thought I'd come clean and let you know what had happened. Also IU have no kill power. One thing that hadn't occured to me though is that there may be other cult recruitees out there. It didn't occur to me cause I was converted on N1 and I figured the leader can only recruit 1 a night. However it just occured to me that this assumption might be wrong. 77 did say good luck finding my friends.Hopefully not for you guys. Don't think so though.

Anyway win or no win it's still fun trying to hunt scum.
Shaggy has claimed - and not a full claim. His defence is good but it's also what I would expect scum to say. If there are lovers I guess there's one on each side, meaning if we lynch him then one town will die and one scum. If he's telling the truth that is. Marge Simpson is a good claim too - someone would be bound to counter if he's lying about that.

Sorry Shaggy - nothin personal, it's just the result I got. I think it must be a true result too.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

vote shaggy

pershy can be dealt with at any time and he cant kill anybody at night. We need to take out mafia now when we have the chance.

Exactly you can leave me til last or at least til later.

Last time I stayed with you it was safe for me. Staying there now would kill me. I will change to hammer elsewhere if need be though

I don't think so. I'm not sure but I think the hider only dies if he hides behind mafia not 3rd party.
That's good to use the role to try and ascertain innocence of another player. Always a gamble though. When I was Modding a game the hider died on N1. He chose poorly.

I asked the mod and the mod told me that if I went to a cult member's place for the night that I would indeed die.

[pmchugh]

What alignment is Homer?