The Thing TOWN WINS!

[Extreme Ways]

1) while my intent is to piggyback, I have unvoted Sonic even when dega's vote is still on there. I want to get a lynch going as mentioned earlier and I think we are unlikely to reach a consensus. I am providing my read on people for dega to interpret as he wishes and am open about it, Traf isnt.

Wait what? - I'm not what? I have provided my read on people. And I'm really open to things I told Deg I think Sonic is not the Thing, but I can vote him if needed. I have been more open or helpful than yourself I'd said, tho is not like someone can be really helpfull today.

FPed by Rag

Interested in your reads on other slots too!

[Extreme Ways]

@EW, because you have accused Son!c and Swang of being scummy, you want to follow Dega - which, as you've pointed out, you don't. It feels inconsistent and full of discrepancies... You want to keep doors open and make sure that you've pointed to so many people that you can vote them all.

Vote Extreme Ways

Even if he mentions it himself, he's accusing Traf of piggybacking and the does it himself. Despite finding it "disproportionally" likely that Son!c is The Thing, he retracts his vote because his read has changed some ten posts later of which, uncharacteristically, more than 50% weren't by Son!c (still leaving the door open, though). Firstly, however, he says that Swang sounds scummy.

I don't think we need a fourth.

FP'ed by Son!c

Which one is it, am I voting with dega or am I not voting with dega? My intent is to vote with dega when the day ends, sure, but I'm waiting for a stronger call to action and in the meantime I've unvoted - before that my vote was on Sonic on my own accord. I'm also not voting no lynch if dega does, because imo that's wrong. Furthermore, I sure as heck am keeping many doors open! If I was able to convincingly read 6 people as town in this thread, we could BT the other 3 and be done with it. Let me pass this back to you, how many people are you willing to vote?

I will need to reread your posts to see if the following statement is correct, but to me your push on me feels like you want to push someone so that you look safer. This push on me feels relatively easy so we can have a back and forth and hope people think it's v/v.

[Votanic]

This feels like an insane theory worthy of Son!c

This is a crazy situation.

From a brief search online,it seems that at least some standard rules for Mafia do not allow players to vote for themselves, probably to avoid siuations just like this.

You're right, normally, but since i pulled this stunt off a few years back, I'll allow it, even if it is inane. https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=610&t=225264&start=175

So I followed your link and, if I got it right.... In this other game you got converted into a vampire (or a zombie or something?), so you're no longer town and then you voted to lynch yourself and you got lynched and town won and it was okay, because you were still really 'town-at-heart' even though you were now a vampire... and everyone just went with that. Is that what happened?!?

So then, maybe the Thing can lynch himself too... because he still has some human in him from before he got "thinged'.

In any case, Sonic is no longer voting to lynch himself. so the question is now moot (in the modern sense of 'moot').

I have a feeling I'm going to feel played no matter what I do... so... Vote Sonic.

It's not a theory at all, I was just talking about the movie because Sonic brought up the idea of being converted.
As far as I know, the film, backstory, flavor, etc. don't mean anything. Too bad, it might be more fun if they did.
Even our character names don't really matter, since every Townie seems to be vanilla, including me.
If you care, I'm George Bennings, the meteorologist.
I'm great at my job too. My forecast for Antarctica is... cold.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

1) while my intent is to piggyback, I have unvoted Sonic even when dega's vote is still on there. I want to get a lynch going as mentioned earlier and I think we are unlikely to reach a consensus. I am providing my read on people for dega to interpret as he wishes and am open about it, Traf isnt.

Wait what? - I'm not what? I have provided my read on people. And I'm really open to things I told Deg I think Sonic is not the Thing, but I can vote him if needed. I have been more open or helpful than yourself I'd said, tho is not like someone can be really helpfull today.

FPed by Rag

Interested in your reads on other slots too!

Not to much to say.

I don't like how fast Charle switches votes and is willing to rush things - read scummy to me.
Strike is more quiet of what I would like same as Pix and same asswang but swang was the first to vote and I do think the Thing would not vote first.
Rag seems very logical and either Town or great playing as the Thing.
Votanic hmmm I think more town than not. but not entirely sure he might have been honestly condused about not seeing the Bts and other things

[Ragian]

@EW, because you have accused Son!c and Swang of being scummy, you want to follow Dega - which, as you've pointed out, you don't. It feels inconsistent and full of discrepancies... You want to keep doors open and make sure that you've pointed to so many people that you can vote them all.

Vote Extreme Ways

Even if he mentions it himself, he's accusing Traf of piggybacking and the does it himself. Despite finding it "disproportionally" likely that Son!c is The Thing, he retracts his vote because his read has changed some ten posts later of which, uncharacteristically, more than 50% weren't by Son!c (still leaving the door open, though). Firstly, however, he says that Swang sounds scummy.

I don't think we need a fourth.

FP'ed by Son!c

Which one is it, am I voting with dega or am I not voting with dega? My intent is to vote with dega when the day ends, sure, but I'm waiting for a stronger call to action and in the meantime I've unvoted - before that my vote was on Sonic on my own accord. I'm also not voting no lynch if dega does, because imo that's wrong. Furthermore, I sure as heck am keeping many doors open! If I was able to convincingly read 6 people as town in this thread, we could BT the other 3 and be done with it. Let me pass this back to you, how many people are you willing to vote?

I will need to reread your posts to see if the following statement is correct, but to me your push on me feels like you want to push someone so that you look safer. This push on me feels relatively easy so we can have a back and forth and hope people think it's v/v.

I find you scummy, so you need to revisit my statements because all of the sudden I'm scummy even though you haven't looked my way the entire day? I'm sticking with my vote. If people don't agree, what can I do...

[strike wolf]

Oh and I forgot to mention early but I'm with EW in that I thought Swangs L-1 isn't indicative of scum in a cult game is a weak excuse. So i see no reason right now to change my vote. Son!c could be bluffing but he didn't flinch while at L-1 and that to me reads more town than scum. So right now, I've changed my mind on him.

I'm holding off on opinions on Ragian v. Extreme for the most part. I will say that Ragian going after EW just looks like normal scumhunting to me and EWs reaction is a little OMGus.

[swang918]

Extreme also did some piggybacking in the Tick and signaled his intent to do so each time. So I don't think he's playing too differently or scummily here.

before the day ends we should get a scum to chum list, with reasoning, from degaston. He's the only confirmed town and he won't be confirmed town anymore tomorrow. so we should get his thoughts down today.

[SoN!c]

The donkey does have a plan to win the game. And i think the time to present it has come.

But Deg will have to agree first, then rest of town, and it has to be done on D1. And it could only be presented at the end of D1 otherwise the Thing could counter and adjust his play if he knew from the start.

We can reach 60% win chance but only if we are united.

As you can all notice "being united" will never happen as we are not united even on D1.


So the plan is: Today we decide on all lynches + BT list in the right sequence and every townie will have to follow it until the end. In the worst case scenario that is the only way the 5 remaining townies will be able to vote united on D4. They should not be led by Things steering them off but just follow the plan we make today and do not, under any circumstance, deviate from it.

Today we decide who are the 4 most likely to be townies. And today we present and vote the BT / Lynch sequence on the 6 others on all coming days.

[Extreme Ways]

@EW, because you have accused Son!c and Swang of being scummy, you want to follow Dega - which, as you've pointed out, you don't. It feels inconsistent and full of discrepancies... You want to keep doors open and make sure that you've pointed to so many people that you can vote them all.

Vote Extreme Ways

Even if he mentions it himself, he's accusing Traf of piggybacking and the does it himself. Despite finding it "disproportionally" likely that Son!c is The Thing, he retracts his vote because his read has changed some ten posts later of which, uncharacteristically, more than 50% weren't by Son!c (still leaving the door open, though). Firstly, however, he says that Swang sounds scummy.

I don't think we need a fourth.

FP'ed by Son!c

Which one is it, am I voting with dega or am I not voting with dega? My intent is to vote with dega when the day ends, sure, but I'm waiting for a stronger call to action and in the meantime I've unvoted - before that my vote was on Sonic on my own accord. I'm also not voting no lynch if dega does, because imo that's wrong. Furthermore, I sure as heck am keeping many doors open! If I was able to convincingly read 6 people as town in this thread, we could BT the other 3 and be done with it. Let me pass this back to you, how many people are you willing to vote?

I will need to reread your posts to see if the following statement is correct, but to me your push on me feels like you want to push someone so that you look safer. This push on me feels relatively easy so we can have a back and forth and hope people think it's v/v.

I find you scummy, so you need to revisit my statements because all of the sudden I'm scummy even though you haven't looked my way the entire day? I'm sticking with my vote. If people don't agree, what can I do...

I said I was going to, right? I did, and a couple things stand out to me. Your posting feels on the safe side, calling for a BT on Dega due to relative inactivity, discussing mechanics, saying town needs to hurry up. All things I did too, I guess. You agree with me that swang seems not completely pure but rather than joining a vote on him, you vote me. Scattering town? Also, in my readlist I said I had no read on you, not that I thought you were town .

My conclusion with the reread is that I'm not convinced you are the thing, but I'm sure as hell not convinced you're town. I also see that you ignored my question of how many people you were willing to vote. I'm not sure how "wolf-logic" works because you dont have any info on partners that are not town at this point, but imo trusting too many people as town is a lot more detrimental than suspecting too many people.

[Ragian]

I said you haven't looked my way. I never said that you claimed I was town. It just reeks that the minute I think there's something off about you, you turn your attention to me. Even Strike thinks your play looks OMGUSy.

I don't know what you want with your weird question. I'm ready to vote whoever I think is the most scummy. I don't have a set number. And if you feel om scattering town, I think you're giving me too much credit. I only have one vote. The rest must decide for themselves. My vote is on you because it's the first time on D1 that I feel that there's actually some discrepancies in words and actions to go on.

[SoN!c]

Paranoia is getting to us, just like in the movie..

Look, 90% of us is town today.. So that also means you can trust 90% of the people here and im pretty sure that The Thing, all alone, don't want to draw too much attention to himself.

In any case if you don't like my plan to win (my previous post), We should at least cover the "D3 votes" (or the "D4 votes" if we go with Deg's plan).

Because: Worst case scenario means 5 townies will have to have 2 names in advance, reveived on D1, who to BT and who to lynch on that day.. otherwise they will get steered in the wrong way and never reach a unanymous vote on anyThing.


If we are going with Deg's plan and we add the fixed names we have about the same plan as i had. So then we need the 2 names for D4, (but we should get the 2 names for D3 aswell):

DEG's PLAN:
D1: 9 town, 1 Thing - BT (Degaston) & NO LYNCH
D2: 8 town needing 6 votes, 2 Things - BT ? & NO LYNCH
D3: 7 town needing 6 votes, 3 Things - BT ? & Lynch ?
D4: 5 town needing 5 votes, 4 Things - BT ? & Lynch ?

(7 players needing 6 votes is almost unanymous too).

I'll volunteer for the BT spot on D3. I think asking volunteers is also a good move because The Thing won't volunteer. He will either try to ignore this post hoping nobody notices it or will claim it's a bad plan. Ofcourse we vote for the 40% town (Deg already one of them) aswell.

[Extreme Ways]

I said you haven't looked my way. I never said that you claimed I was town. It just reeks that the minute I think there's something off about you, you turn your attention to me. Even Strike thinks your play looks OMGUSy.

I don't know what you want with your weird question. I'm ready to vote whoever I think is the most scummy. I don't have a set number. And if you feel om scattering town, I think you're giving me too much credit. I only have one vote. The rest must decide for themselves. My vote is on you because it's the first time on D1 that I feel that there's actually some discrepancies in words and actions to go on.

I'm supposed to leave doors open, no? The reason I'm OMGUSy is because I genuinely don't understand why "wanting to keep doors open" and "Firstly, however, he says that Swang sounds scummy." are reasons to scumread me, and I like to think that you neither would you. Am I missing something that makes those points legitimate reasons to seriously doubt me?

[Ragian]

I don't know if you're missing something...

[SoN!c]

I don't know if you're missing something...

Yeah.

Anyways. Ragian, Strike and Charle are my 3 candidates to be put in the group with Deg.

Pixar said he had RL issues so i dont think it would be good sports to take advantage on such claim. So i think Pix is town but because he is so silent he goes to the D4 group to me.

Then its just 5 left myself included. I realize my playstyle puts me in the 60% group so i'll volunteer to be BT on D3.

Do the 4 remaining players EW, Traf, Votanic and Swang have any issues with getting a BT? Does anybody of you 4 volunteer to get a BT?

[Votanic]

I don't know if you're missing something...

Yeah.

Anyways. Ragian, Strike and Charle are my 3 candidates to be put in the group with Deg.

Pixar said he had RL issues so i dont think it would be good sports to take advantage on such claim. So i think Pix is town but because he is so silent he goes to the D4 group to me.

Then its just 5 left myself included. I realize my playstyle puts me in the 60% group so i'll volunteer to be BT on D3.

Do the 4 remaining players EW, Traf, Votanic and Swang have any issues with getting a BT? Does anybody of you 4 volunteer to get a BT?

Okay... so now its scummy to not vote for yourself?
Did anybody beside me read that game link DDS posted?
If not, do so, then come back and we can discuss how that actually turned out.

[SoN!c]

I don't know if you're missing something...

Yeah.

Anyways. Ragian, Strike and Charle are my 3 candidates to be put in the group with Deg.

Pixar said he had RL issues so i dont think it would be good sports to take advantage on such claim. So i think Pix is town but because he is so silent he goes to the D4 group to me.

Then its just 5 left myself included. I realize my playstyle puts me in the 60% group so i'll volunteer to be BT on D3.

Do the 4 remaining players EW, Traf, Votanic and Swang have any issues with getting a BT? Does anybody of you 4 volunteer to get a BT?

Okay... so now its scummy to not vote for yourself?
Did anybody beside me read that game link DDS posted?
If not, do so, then come back and we can discuss how that actually turned out.

Votanic. This was a suicide to save town by a converted one. Please snap out of it. This is also the reason why we have to test you.

[Extreme Ways]

I don't know if you're missing something...

Yeah.

Anyways. Ragian, Strike and Charle are my 3 candidates to be put in the group with Deg.

Pixar said he had RL issues so i dont think it would be good sports to take advantage on such claim. So i think Pix is town but because he is so silent he goes to the D4 group to me.

Then its just 5 left myself included. I realize my playstyle puts me in the 60% group so i'll volunteer to be BT on D3.

Do the 4 remaining players EW, Traf, Votanic and Swang have any issues with getting a BT? Does anybody of you 4 volunteer to get a BT?

Cult recruiter can take advantage of the order of BTs. It's not black/white and I think most importantly, it's not a fun way to play the game to decide what you are going to do D3 during D1!

But, in the case you manage to get everybody else aboard, I don't mind. I think it would be fun to get lucky with 60%, find the recruiter D3 and play a mountaineous game as scum. I dont think it's a good strategy, but then again I havent found a good strategy myself yet.

[SoN!c]

I don't know if you're missing something...

Yeah.

Anyways. Ragian, Strike and Charle are my 3 candidates to be put in the group with Deg.

Pixar said he had RL issues so i dont think it would be good sports to take advantage on such claim. So i think Pix is town but because he is so silent he goes to the D4 group to me.

Then its just 5 left myself included. I realize my playstyle puts me in the 60% group so i'll volunteer to be BT on D3.

Do the 4 remaining players EW, Traf, Votanic and Swang have any issues with getting a BT? Does anybody of you 4 volunteer to get a BT?

Cult recruiter can take advantage of the order of BTs. It's not black/white and I think most importantly, it's not a fun way to play the game to decide what you are going to do D3 during D1!

But, in the case you manage to get everybody else aboard, I don't mind. I think it would be fun to get lucky with 60%, find the recruiter D3 and play a mountaineous game as scum. I dont think it's a good strategy, but then again I havent found a good strategy myself yet.

Unless somebody gets a better idea..

There is no other way i can see town survive on D3 and D4 if we don't do it.

D3: 7 town needing 6 votes, with 3 Things steering them off
D4: 5 town needing 5 votes, 4 Things steering them off

Look at Votanic: suppose he is town. He thinks im the Recruiter (Cult-Leader) but im not The Original Thing (the one that landed from outer space) and he thinks i (the Thing on our scientist base that got infected and the one we need to search for) just wants to suicide myself - to save the other townies- because my infected human side is fighting back?? Oh boy.

So according to Votanic we have a Cult game where The only Cult (the Cult-Leader) just wants to kill himself.. so hilarious. But he believes it (if he is town).

Good luck with that finding unanymous votes on D3 and D4 if we don't decide today (when its 9vs1).

[Charle]

I don't like how fast Charle switches votes and is willing to rush things - read scummy to me.
Strike is more quiet of what I would like same as Pix and same asswang but swang was the first to vote and I do think the Thing would not vote first.
Rag seems very logical and either Town or great playing as the Thing.
Votanic hmmm I think more town than not. but not entirely sure he might have been honestly condused about not seeing the Bts and other things

Traf, I only wanted to get the BT out of the way so that we have more time for the lynch. For the moment I am still staying with my vote. I am a bit quiet at the moment as I am travelling in Africa for work (in DRC at the moment), but I do check in to see if there are any immediate actions needed.

My list for townies at the moment are:
Rag
Sonic
Deg
Strike
Charle

[Votanic]

I don't know if you're missing something...

Yeah.

Anyways. Ragian, Strike and Charle are my 3 candidates to be put in the group with Deg.

Pixar said he had RL issues so i dont think it would be good sports to take advantage on such claim. So i think Pix is town but because he is so silent he goes to the D4 group to me.

Then its just 5 left myself included. I realize my playstyle puts me in the 60% group so i'll volunteer to be BT on D3.

Do the 4 remaining players EW, Traf, Votanic and Swang have any issues with getting a BT? Does anybody of you 4 volunteer to get a BT?

Cult recruiter can take advantage of the order of BTs. It's not black/white and I think most importantly, it's not a fun way to play the game to decide what you are going to do D3 during D1!

But, in the case you manage to get everybody else aboard, I don't mind. I think it would be fun to get lucky with 60%, find the recruiter D3 and play a mountaineous game as scum. I dont think it's a good strategy, but then again I havent found a good strategy myself yet.

Unless somebody gets a better idea..

There is no other way i can see town survive on D3 and D4 if we don't do it.

D3: 7 town needing 6 votes, with 3 Things steering them off
D4: 5 town needing 5 votes, 4 Things steering them off

Look at Votanic: suppose he is town. He thinks im the Recruiter (Cult-Leader) but im not The Original Thing (the one that landed from outer space) and he thinks i (the Thing on our scientist base that got infected and the one we need to search for) just wants to suicide myself - to save the other townies- because my infected human side is fighting back?? Oh boy.

So according to Votanic we have a Cult game where The only Cult (the Cult-Leader) just wants to kill himself.. so hilarious. But he believes it (if he is town).

Good luck with that finding unanymous votes on D3 and D4 if we don't decide today (when its 9vs1).

OMGUS... even if you're town!

First of all, I already stated that I was talking about the movie, and using that as a way to explain how DDS's self-voting game scenario would fit with our storyline. I do not for a second believe that is a rational or intentional gameplay theory. Frankly I don't think self-voting should be allowed, and furthermore, as far as I can tell, DDS was a cult member at the time of his vote, and actually violated his alignment or group affiliation by voting for himself. Okay enough about that game, which is only an issue because it was used as a justification for your own lame self-voting (which I also think shouldn't have been allowed).

Now let's talk about your latest cockamamy scheme.
Even if we could all decide now on D1, to choose all of the BTs and lynches for the next 3 or 4 days (and also assuming nobody could or would renege on such an agreement...)
What is to stop the Thing from then using that infromation to always convert the preassigned BT from the day before and win the game. Answer: Nothing at all!
So therefore, the players will still be right back to having to choose a new BT & lynch each day. Just like a Mafia or Cult game is always played anyway.

Your scenario also underscores the very real possibility that we may very well need or want to re-test players that have already been blood-tested.
When I think about that, I become rather pessimistic about town winning.

..and your epic cavalcade of self-aggrandising nonsense is making it worse. It's bad gameplay if you are town, and, if you are the Thing, you have still way overdone it.

[SoN!c]

Votanic: we should focus on finding the recruiter first, then (after that) shift to the recruited ones. And yes chances are big he will convert the 40% town.. but that also means we can start looking in that group AFTER we have found the recruiter (The Thing).

How can you not agree that town can get unanymous votes on D3 and D4 if they don't have the names on D1 already. With 3 or 4 Things creating a bandwagon on a townie? Just 1 townie needs to go along and you have lost..

[Extreme Ways]

Tbh I think both Votanic and Sonic are town atm.

[strike wolf]

It's the 9th. It's time to get a vote organized of we want a lynch. I'm still on Swang. He's only really popped up to defend himself and seems to be starting to go quiet as the conversation has shifted elsewhere.

As far as Son!cs plan, I agree with Vot that unless we get lucky and choose The Original Thing randomly in one of the BTs, The Thing is just going to use the pre-planned strat against us. I also kind of agree with EW that its not a very fun way to play the game and will just make the remaining games pretty formulaic and uninteresting. The majority of the fun with mafia is the discussion and trying to weed out the liar/liars and pre-planning lynches 100% eliminates that.

[strike wolf]

Ebwop: Okay. So swang posted more recently than I thought. So my statement on him going quiet again isn't as strong as I initially thought.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Lynch Count
(3) Sonic - Dega, Swang, Votan
(2) Swang - Strike, Charle
(1) EW - Rag

With 10 alive, it takes 6 for majority.

Mod Note: Deadline is tomorrow! If a majority isn't reached by the deadline it will be considered a NO LYNCH!