UnMafia 3 (1/19) *OVAR* GO GO GO!!!

[strike wolf]

By all means, I do not consider going for commander9 an easy kill. It was hard enough to get people to understand the fact that he asked to be replaced 4 days before he even knew he would be taking finals. I think the dates and everything would have been obvious- but it wasn't so clear to everyone.
It will probably be even harder to convince people to vote him.

Yes I flat out want him lynched.
I will not get any answers to my questions, so I am uncomfortable with him being alive.
If he wants to abandon this game, I say we abandon him.

If Commander is indeed replaced, I will be going against that player pretty aggressively. I will be asking them questions about the role, and mostly what they think offended commander so much. These are questions that they will be unable to answer. And it won't be entirely fair to them, because they may not have any idea what annoyed commander so much that he just quit. I honestly wouldn't want to replace for him, with the way things have unfolded in this game recently.

I know him well, and it is not like him to just quit a game. Something went down, and I want to know what is was. And I think some of the people shrugging this off and saying I overreacted are the ones who know exactly what happened and why he quit. There are some who may genuinely be confused, but those who are in his faction should know why I am making a big deal out of this.

It will be hard to get a replacement, and even if Fir does replace him- that person would be at such an disadvantage.
Day one is grasping at straws a bit because we have no leads- but this is certainly the best one I have, and i think its worthwhile looking into. And I think his lynch will give us seriously useful information.
-If he is lynched, we will know his role. So we will know if he was scum or third-party (which I believe him to be). I don't think he is town because he is not acting like it. If he does turn out to be town, I will be shocked. I will be even more miffed at him for abandoning the game.
-Lynching him and finding out his role will give us a better idea what it was in ga7 and nag's debate that annoyed him off so much.
-Lynching him will be a good opportunity for us to get rid of a power role/leader in one of the anti-town factions.
-Lynching him will give us a better idea of who is in his faction.
-He cannot claim since he is done with this game and not even looking at it anymore. Lynching him in the only way to find out his role.

Basically I want to know who he is. I want him dead. I want him gone. I want him lynched.
And yes I know this may be signing my own death warrant instead
But this game is going to seriously bother me until i get some answers about commander and figure out who he is. So I suppose either he dies first or I do.

I highlighted the part where she most clearly stated what she wanted to do before commander was replaced. She wanted him lynched. As far as his replacement, she also says she'll be going after him agressively so probably find out soon how aggressively. I've already stated a few times that I was against the commander lynch. It was a blind wago against someone who was not here to defend himself and the questions were of a nature that it would be hard for anyone to answer them except commander. Plus I felt the case was weak.

As far as copier is concerned, victors explanation does seem to be the right explanation as I've heard the role described before. I don't see how acting like a "fruit" helps town especially when you made what under normal conditions what would be the hammering vote against vio in the manner that you made it.

[aage]

He was replaced, dear...

*smacks head*

[edocsil]

Victor's claim is decent, but I am still for his lynch. With a bit of meta-gaming I have reason to believe his claim is false, more then that I will not say as the game I am meta-gaming from is still ongoing. Besides that his actions really did not seem like they were town aligned. Attempting to hammer, random acts of madness, and a general lack of scumhunting leave me disinclined to let him off the hook.

[Skoffin]

It baffles me that in this game so far SKoff has posted more content than in her whole CC mafia history before. She must be scum
I'll try to post this evening, then I might not be active till the weekend.

Well, I suppose I do tend to post more when I am raging. Although I don't really think I'm posting much more, it just looks like that as few people are posting much. I believe I've been posting every other day, so others really need to pick up here.


As for victor, his claim does match up with what I know of the Copier role. I didn't think it was that weird a role, but it seems even some veterans here didn't know what it was. Thus I believe this claim is hardly to be a made up claim by Victor. I will mention, however, that this is a role that can and has been given to mafia members in the past. Copier is an unlucky role though, a mafia Copier is even far less likely.
I expect victor to stop dicking about either way, though.

[The Weird One]

It baffles me that in this game so far SKoff has posted more content than in her whole CC mafia history before. She must be scum
I'll try to post this evening, then I might not be active till the weekend.

Well, I suppose I do tend to post more when I am raging. Although I don't really think I'm posting much more, it just looks like that as few people are posting much. I believe I've been posting every other day, so others really need to pick up here.


As for victor, his claim does match up with what I know of the Copier role. I didn't think it was that weird a role, but it seems even some veterans here didn't know what it was. Thus I believe this claim is hardly to be a made up claim by Victor. I will mention, however, that this is a role that can and has been given to mafia members in the past. Copier is an unlucky role though, a mafia Copier is even far less likely.
I expect victor to stop dicking about either way, though.

What I'm starting to suspect is that, possibly, the mafia is using old fir games to come up with realistic roleclaims. Admittedly, we could just be unlucky as all hell, but most of the claims thus far have been roles pulled from old games by fircoal. I'm not saying that Fircoal doesn't reuse roles, I'm just pointing out a possibility... After reading over that, I realixe that I sound like an idiot...

[Skoffin]

What I'm starting to suspect is that, possibly, the mafia is using old fir games to come up with realistic roleclaims. Admittedly, we could just be unlucky as all hell, but most of the claims thus far have been roles pulled from old games by fircoal. I'm not saying that Fircoal doesn't reuse roles, I'm just pointing out a possibility... After reading over that, I realixe that I sound like an idiot...

That is certainly possible, my issue with that is that it implies more than one mafia has claimed already and we've not had a night time yet, which means that different mafia members had to come up with the notion of rechecking fir games for claims independently. But then checking past games for roles and what not isn't all that unusual anyway. We just need to up our game and decipher who are the real from the phonies.
What's baffling me is that while there have been role claims there have not been any name claims

[The Weird One]

What I'm starting to suspect is that, possibly, the mafia is using old fir games to come up with realistic roleclaims. Admittedly, we could just be unlucky as all hell, but most of the claims thus far have been roles pulled from old games by fircoal. I'm not saying that Fircoal doesn't reuse roles, I'm just pointing out a possibility... After reading over that, I realixe that I sound like an idiot...

That is certainly possible, my issue with that is that it implies more than one mafia has claimed already and we've not had a night time yet, which means that different mafia members had to come up with the notion of rechecking fir games for claims independently. But then checking past games for roles and what not isn't all that unusual anyway. We just need to up our game and decipher who are the real from the phonies.
What's baffling me is that while there have been role claims there have not been any name claims

I think Sax did have a name... if you can call "Vroom Vroom Chug" a name...

You do have a point though, aside from Sax's claim [which is debatable whether or not it is actually a name], none of the roleclaims have contained names. If I'm wrong, please let me know, and I apologize; I'm skimming a little bit today because of testing...

[Fircoal]

Oh, and Violet, a time limit might be a good idea at this point.

Why thank you Edoc, that is a great idea (that I was toying with), you have until I order/get my secret santa gift

[edocsil]

Oh, and Violet, a time limit might be a good idea at this point.

Why thank you Edoc, that is a great idea (that I was toying with), you have until I order/get my secret santa gift

Gah! I have been Metagamed!

[aage]

Oh, and Violet, 40 phd's might be a good idea at this point.

Why thank you Edoc, that is a great idea (that I was toying with), you have until I order/get my secret santa gift

Gah! I have been Metagamed!

Teehee. I was already wondering "huh, what thread am I reading "


Anyway, I agree that the role might be copied because I might've come up with it, but this time the role is testable... Or at least, if there is a test subject willing to volunteer, which I doubt there is. So what do we do? Someone mentioned the copier to be an unlucky role but I think the copier has to be incredibly lucky to get something good off the night. I would like this question to be seriously answered: what good stuff will he get off the night, except NK's and busdrives?

[Commander9]

Well, since I've been replaced, there's really not much to say, although I'll say that a few pages I did go through were hilarious

And no, I wasn't offended at all by that specific argument between the two - there was nothing in it. If you've not spotted it, then I'll shall just leave it as an unknown thing, although I'll say that now I think I've may have overreacted (However, I still don't like arrogance and that type of behaviour). Have fun, everyone.

[aage]

Well, since I've been replaced, there's really not much to say, although I'll say that a few pages I did go through were hilarious

And no, I wasn't offended at all by that specific argument between the two - there was nothing in it. If you've not spotted it, then I'll shall just leave it as an unknown thing, although I'll say that now I think I've may have overreacted (However, I still don't like arrogance and that type of behaviour). Have fun, everyone.

I think that if your finals were English you're not going to get a better grade

Anyway, since I have my *important* test tomorrow I won't be looking for this post atm, if you guys haven't found it I might look for it on saturday as I'm mostly busy studying, making tests, traveling and drinking while enjoying the freedom of my holiday on friday.

[Commander9]

I think that if your finals were English you're not going to get a better grade

In fact, I've got 95+ from both English compositions classes and British literature classes

[Skoffin]

Anyway, I agree that the role might be copied because I might've come up with it, but this time the role is testable... Or at least, if there is a test subject willing to volunteer, which I doubt there is. So what do we do? Someone mentioned the copier to be an unlucky role but I think the copier has to be incredibly lucky to get something good off the night. I would like this question to be seriously answered: what good stuff will he get off the night, except NK's and busdrives?

Trouble with having a volunteer is that it'd have to be someone that hasn't already claimed, and the volunteer would have to claim tomorrow and 'verify' whatever victor says. Mafia could even just kill the volunteer to prevent that. It would also get defeated, assuming Vic is scum in this scenario, if his partner volunteers and they plan their course of action for tomorrow anyway. As to your question, he can obtain any powers that are currently in the game so long as he chooses the right person. Cop, doc, even Vio's tracking abilities and more. (I'll mention that I'm mulling over the idea that it might be worth getting Victor to copy Vio's claiming tracking abilities)
I'm hoping though that when vic does use his powers that he takes a moment to think them over. It would be a grand time of facepalming if he excitedly rushes in and reveals a town power role. (Basically, if it sounds like it could be a townie with powers then try to be tactful about it)


As for commander, I took a look back. First I'll say that, by looking at the time he first asked for replacing, whatever 'bothered' him would be anywhere up to the first post(ga7's) on page 13. Comm's last post before that point was on page 10, so I am guessing that whatever it was fell somewhere between those two points. However, I have not a clue what the issue could have been.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

What's baffling me is that while there have been role claims there have not been any name claims

Do they matter that much?

-Tails

[Skoffin]

Yes, really. It's difficult to fake a role claim, even harder to also make a name to match up with it. Any holes that can be found in a claim can rip it apart and get that person lynched, role claims along with name claims can weaken or strengthen a player's defence.
the people who have not stated their names well.. that makes me wonder if they didn't feel like giving that bit, never got given a name or are mafia who didn't think of a name to fake.

[FloresDelMal]

What's baffling me is that while there have been role claims there have not been any name claims [/color]

i don't know how works for the others, and i might be exposing myself to extrapolation by admitting this but the chu didn't bother with giving me a name, i just got a very short pm with my role and nothing else, something like "you are X" and i really don't see why we should have names on a game without a clear theme, in a themed game for example a movie themed game, we can search the main characters and draw conclusions, but here what is the use? please enlighten me

Anyway, I agree that the role might be copied because I might've come up with it, but this time the role is testable... Or at least, if there is a test subject willing to volunteer, which I doubt there is. So what do we do? Someone mentioned the copier to be an unlucky role but I think the copier has to be incredibly lucky to get something good off the night. I would like this question to be seriously answered: what good stuff will he get off the night, except NK's and busdrives?

i think a copier is a very valuable role, if well played we could get extra protections, extra investigations, etc... so i think he is worth to be protected unless another power role of more certain importance is outed or that he is proved scum, since this role could go either way in alignment.

If you've not spotted it, then I'll shall just leave it as an unknown thing, although I'll say that now I think I've may have overreacted (However, I still don't like arrogance and that type of behavior)

oh please the suspense is killing me, and doesn't sound like could be something relevant to the game, so pwetty pwease, tell us whose arrogance offended you, i am sometimes arrogant, but i don't remember have been specially so on this game, of course i have by no means a monopoly on arrogance

[Skoffin]

What's baffling me is that while there have been role claims there have not been any name claims

i don't know how works for the others, and i might be exposing myself to extrapolation by admitting this but the chu didn't bother with giving me a name, i just got a very short pm with my role and nothing else, something like "you are X" and i really don't see why we should have names on a game without a clear theme, in a themed game for example a movie themed game, we can search the main characters and draw conclusions, but here what is the use? please enlighten me

I was given a name, or at least something that seems to be a name, so I assumed that other players would also have been given names. If what you say is true then Chu decided to give some people names while others not and I am not sure why that is. It seems odd, to say the least. It could be because I was added to the game after it started, but I suppose I'd need to see if anyone else has names for that theory to stick.

[strike wolf]

I didn't get a name. As far as copier yes its a valuable role but I just don't trust victor. I think edoc said it best. Lack of post substance when there were major wagons and posting what should have been the hammer on vio didn't exactly scream town to me and as you said flores, I don't see a safer lynch.

[VioIet]

Well, since I've been replaced, there's really not much to say, although I'll say that a few pages I did go through were hilarious

Glad they gave you a good laugh. Go ahead and laugh away.

And no, I wasn't offended at all by that specific argument between the two - there was nothing in it. If you've not spotted it, then I'll shall just leave it as an unknown thing, although I'll say that now I think I've may have overreacted (However, I still don't like arrogance and that type of behaviour). Have fun, everyone.

OHH, you think you may have overreacted!!!! That just now occurred to you? WTH!!! Of course you overreacted!!! Biggest Mafia Game Abandonment/Replacementness Overreaction that I've ever seen!!!! Pressure of being the godfather get to you?

Arrogance doesn't sit well with you? You once said, you could always convince people to go along with your ideas.
If that isn't arrogant, I don't know what is.
However you meant no harm, and imo, neither did anyone in this game. I think what you took as arrogance, may have been a skilled player trying to make his case persuasive within the context of the game.

I am just so baffled over this whole thing. I have read back 28 times as this is annoying me. I cannot see anything that scared you into quitting. Don't get it, and after you explain it, if you ever do, I probably still won't get it.

Okay commander is no longer here, so I should stop addressing him. Campin, explain yourself....

oh please the suspense is killing me, and doesn't sound like could be something relevant to the game, so pwetty pwease, tell us whose arrogance offended you, i am sometimes arrogant, but i don't remember have been specially so on this game, of course i have by no means a monopoly on arrogance

Now you are curious about it? I've been curious about this since the Monday before last. What in the world happened? I still think someone else in this game knows exactly what it was.

Cop, doc, even Vio's tracking abilities and more. (I'll mention that I'm mulling over the idea that it might be worth getting Victor to copy Vio's claiming tracking abilities)
I'm hoping though that when vic does use his powers that he takes a moment to think them over.

I definitely agree.

As for commander, I took a look back. First I'll say that, by looking at the time he first asked for replacing, whatever 'bothered' him would be anywhere up to the first post(ga7's) on page 13. Comm's last post before that point was on page 10, so I am guessing that whatever it was fell somewhere between those two points. However, I have not a clue what the issue could have been.

Me neither

Vote Campin.

[karelpietertje]

Fircoal, is there nothing you can do about this asshole writing in red all the time?
I know I'm hungover and all, but this is just too damned epileptical.

[karelpietertje]

That came straight from the heart.
Hey, has anyone combined the thought of the Copier being possibly maffia and this post Fircoal made?

BORING ROLES!?!?!?!? YOU SHOULD SEE WHAT I GAVE A CERTAIN SCUMMY HERE!

[aage]

That came straight from the heart.
Hey, has anyone combined the thought of the Copier being possibly maffia and this post Fircoal made?

BORING ROLES!?!?!?!? YOU SHOULD SEE WHAT I GAVE A CERTAIN SCUMMY HERE!

I think that refers to a scumster having a seriously boring role...

Also, I don't have a name either. I guess it's Fircoal's kind of humor to confuse us by giving some people a name and others not. Tee-hee-hee.

[The Weird One]

Fircoal, is there nothing you can do about this asshole writing in red all the time?
I know I'm hungover and all, but this is just too damned epileptical.

Skoffin will not stop writing in red... It's what she does. Look at her older posts for verification if you don't trust me.

[strike wolf]

Mafia goon is the only boring scum role I can think of and I don't think fir would include it. As far as commander getting upset, my money is on some of flores' sarcastic remarks.