[FINISHED] Board Game Mafia: Endgame - Piece of Peace

[Ragian]

This hindsight bit is pretty awesome when you're told where to look and you're stressed out about work. TWR seems to incriminate himself pretty much there with his "joke vote" and "Tim's usually town when he seems scummy".

Why is it that we have no sausage and no tiger and no fans and no god in here?

@manda, how many scum do you expect now that we know there's cult?

Also, just a question in order to uncloud my mind: Recruiting happens before scum kill, so Wing was 1) recruited and 2) nk'ed. Right? If so, cult recruiter must be hating the world right now

[Metsfanmax]

why monopoly mafia ? why not some other game ? . will reread posts again.

Yes, this is the question I'm asking. mandalorian assumes that all mobsters are "monopoly mobsters," which is the kind of slip I'd expect from someone who is in fact mafia and therefore knows what the composition of the mafia is. The rest of us have no inside information and thus no reason to believe that the other mafia members are Monopoly game pieces as opposed to something totally different.

Notice that he didn't also suggest that all members of cult are pieces from Clue.

[HotShot53]

why monopoly mafia ? why not some other game ? . will reread posts again.

Yes, this is the question I'm asking. mandalorian assumes that all mobsters are "monopoly mobsters," which is the kind of slip I'd expect from someone who is in fact mafia and therefore knows what the composition of the mafia is. The rest of us have no inside information and thus no reason to believe that the other mafia members are Monopoly game pieces as opposed to something totally different.

Notice that he didn't also suggest that all members of cult are pieces from Clue.

My guess is that the other scum won't be from monopoly... which would make that statement more of an anti-slip up.

[rizky_biznezz]

@manda page 11 his only post so far other than confirmation

[Whatsausage]

Alright, we're going to try a phone post. No quotes this time though

I was wondering as I read how long it would be before I was called out for voting dakky instead of Tim. My main reasoning is admittedly similar to what ragain is claiming is a scum slip from twr. I have a hard time reading Tim, but what I have figured is that he actually seems to play "better" as scum, and that he can be a very easy target as he tends to not defend himself and basically quit if enough votes are pushed his way. For these reasons, I didn't think he was likely scum (although I was proved incorrect), I just saw him as an easy day one wagon.
I may have missed something obvious, but I didn't think that cult automatically meant that they have recruiting powers. I get that wings role was technically called vig, but I think it is possible that there is a scum faction as well as a cult faction that are similar in practice although wing could be the only way of the cult killing. I don't know what an action Miller does though. Sorry for the postulating on the setup, I know it doesn't really progress the game, I'm just curious as to why everyone seems so sure the cult can recruit.

As for today, I think the best places to look would be starting with wing's list of suspects, as he very well could have gotten himself killed as an experienced player with a declared list. Though this may be more of an inexperienced mafis move, that gets into wifom.

I admit I have not looked back at pages 5 and 9 to see what's on twr, if the main point on him is that he didn't vote for Tim, it would be disingenuous of me not to say that I can understand not being supportive of the Tim wagon, as shown by my own actions haha

I don't remember seeing a specific reason given by Mandy as to why he always called the Mafia, monopoly Mafia. I agree that it is a very strange assumption to just go ahead and make.

[Whatsausage]

Double post
So I did look back, and while I suppose twr could have been setting himself up to not vote for Tim later with his original "always think he is scum and end up wrong" I read it more as his genuine thoughts on the matter. Perhaps I am just jaded because I have similar feelings though.

[BuJaber]

Double post
So I did look back, and while I suppose twr could have been setting himself up to not vote for Tim later with his original "always think he is scum and end up wrong" I read it more as his genuine thoughts on the matter. Perhaps I am just jaded because I have similar feelings though.

That isn't why mandy is suspicious; but since I'm only guessing, he should be the one to explain.

Good to see you posting though. I think the others will agree that having close to half the remaining players barely participating is seriously hurting town, because there's not a lot of information about them available. The active players are scrutinizing each other, and it's hard to bring a good case against the quieter ones.

If I'm right about mandy's reasoning about TWR, I'm ready to vote with him.
I like IB for scum more though for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Any support for this?
I would love more Day 2 input from LSU, AoG, madmitch, rizky, TWR, metsfan, and IB (though doesn't look like he can - which doesn't sit quite right with me).

[Ragian]

Alright, we're going to try a phone post. No quotes this time though

I was wondering as I read how long it would be before I was called out for voting dakky instead of Tim. My main reasoning is admittedly similar to what ragain is claiming is a scum slip from twr.

Ragian is not saying that being unable to read Tim is a scumslip - I can't read him myself - but that TWR 1) jokevoted Tim for a second and 2) continuously stated that Tim always flips town when looking scummy (combined with the fact that I didn't find him scummy - which, then, would indicate, but not necessarily mean, that he was in fact scum if you accept TWR's thoughts on Tim).

@sausage, I have only ever played with a recruiting cult (to my knowledge).

[mandalorian2298]

Ok, the white rose thing:

Page 5

Go on rose get ur joke in quick.. But it better be funny lol

well then gotta vote tim cos i always do, true he always flips town, but i must get it right sooner or later

Metagaming with the joke vote, talk about overcompensation!

Page 9

i think i have voted tim off on 3 seperate occassions mainly cos i do not understand his posts....all 3 times he flipped town, does not mean he is town now of course but excuse me for being a bit cautious.

On the other hand we have a player who is confirmed not town, he says he can help town, but equally that he can help mafia also.

In a 16 player game someone said that there will probably be 3 mafia, 3 3p and 10 townies.

think i would like to get to N1 with all 10 townies intact even if it means lynching a nonmafia. we will learn more as the game goes on.

Also need to apologise for my lack of participation at the start of this game, i hate the joke phase, and am currently on holiday with my family. just getting ready to go to the waterpark in fact...but thought i had better post in case others start thinking i was scummarining.

Metagaming part 2: "No really you guys, this guy Tim is always Town. I now see the error of my ways in ever voting for that Town, charming Town man.

P.S. Tim is probably town, just saying."


As for the whole Monopoly Mafia thing, I missremembered the exact wording of Tim's role. I thought that it said "Green Money (Monopoly Mafia)" instead of "Green Monopoly Money (Mafia)". It freaked me out too, since it looked like there may be more then one Mafia in the game, but on the other hand, when the Cult came up I knew that there couldn't be more then one mafia.

Also, I was getting kind of pissed off at all of you for pestering me with such a dumb question and have originally planed to respond by copying Tim's role and then enlarging the words "Monopoly Mafia" to the bigest font and underlining it , but then it turned out that there was no such words, so ooops.

[mandalorian2298]

@manda, how many scum do you expect now that we know there's cult?

I would say 3 mobsters (Tim, Godfather and whoever PRed Iron Butterfly) and the Cult Leader. Given the presence of Millers like Wing, anything more would make the game pretty unbalanced.

[Ragian]

So you're also suggesting that Wing was recruited before being offed?

@Mandy, is your vote where your mouth is right now? In accordance with the correspondance with LSU and all?

[rizky_biznezz]

haven't seen much of rose yet but guess it is possible that tim voting for aladdin/rose as his joke vote could have been a way of getting some negative association between a scum pair early on... as was rose voting tim then voting dakky straight away..

@sausage.. thanks for your reply.. i suppose if you were scum you could have just jumped on the wagon for the town cred.. but you also may have opted for an attempted save seeing as dakky was only a little behind... but it really didnt look like it was going to end in anything other than a tim lynch and day one is usually just pot luck anyway so the timing still seems a bit weird..

[rizky_biznezz]

I like IB for scum more though for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Any support for this?

thoughts at the moment on this... no, i wouldn't support it right now when he cant respond to anything.... also if he did happen to flip town we wouldn't learn anything

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Mandy I have you with strike last night since you said to out it. back to work right now just getting that out there.

[the white rose]

guys, give me a break on this for the next 24 hours. I have just spent 14 hours in the air flying across 7 time zones and i am totally knackered. trying to stay up to alleviate jet lag tomorrow when i will read through and post my reads....right now i really cannot concentrate on the logic of this game.

[Ragian]

Mandy I have you with strike last night since you said to out it. back to work right now just getting that out there.

Well, that's a no to my answer then. Why outing this when nothing happened to strike? (Right, strike?)

[mandalorian2298]

Mandy I have you with strike last night since you said to out it. back to work right now just getting that out there.

Well, that's a no to my answer then. Why outing this when nothing happened to strike? (Right, strike?)

Well, LSU kind of role claimed at the beginning of Day 2. This enables me to guarantee that LSU is not the Cult Leader, and LSU's result clears me as well, since if I was a Cult Leader he would only receive Wing as the target of my visit.

I would like to point out that this does NOT prove that LSU and I are not scum, it just proves that neither is the Cult Leader (I think that the Cult starting with more then 1 member would also make the game unbablanced).

As for putting my vote where my mouth is, no, I would not like to target the white rose today since, if I'm right, the logic of my case against him makes it much more likely that he is Mafia as opposed to Cult leader. We ahould kill him in time, but I would prefer another target today.

As for my vote, it remains on BuJaber because, if we do end up going after a Mafia member (which I believe BuJaber to be) I would prefer to lynch BuJaber today in case I croak during N2.

Speaking of which, might I humbly suggest that, if there is a Watcher in the game, he turns his gaze on either me or LSU on N2, since our mutual confirmation makes us shinier and prettier potential recruits for the Cult then the rest of you unconfirmed rabble.

[HotShot53]

I like IB for scum more though for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Any support for this?

thoughts at the moment on this... no, i wouldn't support it right now when he cant respond to anything.... also if he did happen to flip town we wouldn't learn anything

To be honest, I think IB is milking his PR, and actually is using it to try to take a day off... very few PR muzzle the person completely. To see if we can get some activity out of him, I will vote IB

I can also see mandy's case against TWR, but will wait to see TWR's response to it.

[madmitch]

leaving vote where it is, but mandy you seem to know way to much , fos on you .

[Ragian]

leaving vote where it is, but mandy you seem to know way to much , fos on you .

Justify this post, please.

[BuJaber]

I have you with more than one last night including the departed cult member.

Well, if you have me just with Wing and X, then X is the true result and Wing was just scrambling your read with his action-miller mojo. If you have me with Wing and more then one other, then there is more then one action-miller in the game and you might want to consider giving us at least the number. I doubt that however and I think that you received only X and Wing.

Assuming the first is correct, at least we can now interpret other results from Night 1. If the result is Wing, that means nobody (except if somoene was Watching dakky). If the result is Wing + some other guys, then the true result is some other guys.

However, if there is more than one Tracker, and one of Trackers received ONLY Wing as a result, it would be well worthy of a claim, since 1) that is our best bet for finding the Cult Leader and 2) if the scum try to falsely accuse someone, there is a good chance that there is a Tracker or a Watcher out there who can counter-claim them.

I am pretty sure about the identities of the remaining two Monopoly Mobsters (BuJaber and another that I will name tomorrow after giving you guys a chance to reread the pages 5 and 9, because I'm a sporting sort of fellow ) and I doubt that Mafia started with more then three given there is also a Cult; so if we manage to nail the Cult Leader today, we might as well break out the bubbly.

What is the difference between tracker and watcher, and is there a hunter too?

There's a lot of information here we need to analyze. Mandy and LSU have just roped themselves together for whatever reason. We have to treat them as one. Mandy think what happens if you're wrong about me. Lynching me frees scum up to kill someone else.


Since there's nobody is voting TWR this round and I have at least one person supporting me with this, I Vote Iron Butterfly

[Iron Butterfly]

I like IB for scum more though for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Any support for this?

thoughts at the moment on this... no, i wouldn't support it right now when he cant respond to anything.... also if he did happen to flip town we wouldn't learn anything

To be honest, I think IB is milking his PR, and actually is using it to try to take a day off... very few PR muzzle the person completely. To see if we can get some activity out of him, I will vote IB

I can also see mandy's case against TWR, but will wait to see TWR's response to it.

Framed. grrrr cant defend.

vote Hotshot

[strike wolf]

Issue with laptop. Only limited posting for a while. I can confirm that i know of nothing nefarious thay happened to me last night. Lsu seems confirmed tracker. Unlikely to be a mafia role.

Tracker picks a person each night to "follow" and finds out who they visit.

Watcher picks one person to watch each night and finds out who visits them.

IB lynch is questionable considering his posting limitations. Especially since a couple people on my scum list have taken up that route. I would shed no tears over IB being lynched. As I have said I am about as confident as I can be that he is not town and is either third party or cult as I can be shy of having an investigation. However I'd at least like to pursue some options that appear able to adequately defend themselves first.

@IB: Are yout limited in how many times you can post or just how many words you can use per post? If the former don't answer. If the latter, say yes.

[rizky_biznezz]

Where do post restrictions usually come from.. Mods/good guys/bad guys or anywhere?

[Ragian]

What is the difference between tracker and watcher, and is there a hunter too?

There's a lot of information here we need to analyze. Mandy and LSU have just roped themselves together for whatever reason. We have to treat them as one. Mandy think what happens if you're wrong about me. Lynching me frees scum up to kill someone else.


Since there's nobody is voting TWR this round and I have at least one person supporting me with this, I Vote Iron Butterfly

Seriously, try the internet: List of mafia roles.

This post annoys me a bit. I could understand not getting the death miller since I couldn't find any information about that after a swift googling. But not knowing tracker, watcher, and other very normal roles after having played mafia before (and not even trying to google) raises flags for me.

@Mandy, your case on BuJaber is merely him feigning ignorance, yes? Yet, you have incriminating evidence on TWR? Am I understanding this correctly?