[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[Metsfanmax]

But is that line of inquiry going to lead us anywhere?

I think it's more likely that mafia/third party would do that than town (especially for VT). But on the other hand, as you said, it's a pretty big risk for a mafia member to take.

[Rodion]

Not casting.

[StorrZerg]

Not casting.

ok

So i learned to play with fundamental differences than on CC obviously.

What i am used to, is if you fail to vote by dead line. Then you are mod killed or replaced / warned. IIRC the rule is enforced to keep the game active and make it so people can't just be "inactive and do nothing"

So, i was pretty sure this game would allow people to choose not to vote. (this just helps clarify)

I honestly do believe getting everyone to vote is GOOD for town. Even if you are unsure, everyone at this point imo should be getting some reads. Choosing to vote helps yourself take a stance on something, it helps people read you.

[Rugbirn]

unvote

I agree with you Mets. After reading and re-reading this whole Anark subplot and comments concerning it, there is still something that doesn't set well with me based on how it unfolded. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it shouldn't smell like a skunk.

vote AnarkistDream

[iAmCaffeine]

I'm with betiko; this bandwagon is pretty funny. I'll wait for superkeener to defend himself before making a decision.

[betiko]

sorry i just wanted to make a quick vote count to keep the record in case stuff change before strike posts an official one (hope i didn't forget anything) the deadline is approaching. super is actually at l-1 if we consider that with 5 votes you are dead.... and we've got till tomorrow.

Metsfanmax (1) rishaed
Anarchist (3) betiko, Jonty125, rugbirn
Virus90 (1)-Pancake
Rodion
Pancake
Cooldeals
Mob Deadly
Nagerous
Theforgivenone
iAmCaffeine
Betiko
x-stor-x (2) Nagerous, metsfan
nebuchadnezer (1)-Anarkist
Ironbutterfly
Superkeener (4) x-stor, iron butterfly, virus, neb
Rugbirn
Jonty125
Rishaed

[StorrZerg]

CoolDeals, mob deadly, iamcaffeine, nebuchadnezer, Rodion, SuperKeener

have all not voted as well.

[superkeener]

So the TL DR version.
His manner of play has been very odd to me, he has no strong opinions about something, and is constantly contradicting himself. The posts do not feel fluid, they feel like forced and awkward. The way in which he tries to defend nark feels off. Specially with the quote at the end "nark could be any of these guys ( Badger, Skinny Pete, Combo, or Saul. ) and since he believes all those characters to be town, nark is town. The lack of talk regarding if Narks ACTIONS have been town or scum bothers me, and when he does talk about NARKS actions its always wishy washy and could or could not.

First off. In forum mafia, I do not think a TL DR (Too Long Didn’t Read) is ever a good thing to add. Everyone should read everything so there is no confusion.
You say I have contradicted myself, but where exactly? Also, I never tried to “defend” nark. I just stated my opinions on the entire scenario regarding him and his claim.
I still believe Nark is town. Thus, why I have yet to vote for him. Maybe nark has used “bad” play but I have yet to see anything tangible that identifies him as scum.

VOTE SUPERKEENER
I can support this case. As I said earlier I believe Anarchist is town.

I said that I think nark is town as well. And yet you vote me for thinking the same as you… strange.

This compels me to vote for you. Also, I understand that this might come off as a little OMGUS-ish but I do not even think you understand X-stor’s case on me. I think you are just looking for a last-minute bandwagon to jump on.

The other votes for me were also just based on x-stor’s reasoning that since basically I feel that nark is town, that makes me scum.

I do not have any solid leads on scum play right now except for how IB just votes for me even though we have the same opinion and with time running out, I feel this is the best place for me to throw my vote.

Vote Iron Butterfly.

[StorrZerg]

@Metsfanmax you may not like my case on superkeener. How ever it seems some people do like it. Any thoughts on the people hoping on? Virus or neb or iron?


(i got the non voters wrong, neb has voted so not him)

fp by super

[StorrZerg]

WHy is Anark town in your eyes? disregard his claim plz. (@super)

[Metsfanmax]

I think that IB is slightly scummy for hopping on, and virus to a lesser extent.

[betiko]

i find the wagon terribly oportunistic and probably scummy. I'm willing to reconsider my vote on nark. basically, I feel nark 70/30 town, so that 30% (for the big wifom) is worth checking.

I did not like how easy and fast the wagon on Super formed outof thin air. i'm not sure which of the 3 i'd rather go after... they probably wanted a fast case/claim to start other anark to have a last day choice.... and basically voting for any of them would be like doing exactly what i blame them to do lol.
kind of stuck here... should we ask super to claim then? that's another option...

[StorrZerg]

I think while he has pressure on him, it would be in the best interest for everyone to ask him questions. Claiming imo should be done more so as last resort for himself to not get lynched.

[superkeener]

WHy is Anark town in your eyes? disregard his claim plz. (@super)

His claim AND the way he acted after being pressured on it is why he comes across as town to me. If I disregarded his claim and all posts related to his claim, then I guess I would have only a neutral read on him.

[StorrZerg]

Super, do you agree or like any of his town reads? What about people he thinks are scum (anarks reads that is)

[MoB Deadly]

Finally here again. Tough weekend, I hope to be more active than I have been so far.
A whole lot of players to keep track of. Right now my "suspect" list has more names on it than my "town" list so that is kind of scary for me.
Some of the top players in my suspect list are now attacking each other, so I am hoping to pick a side as I write this post.

** My position/playstyle **
Yes top priority has to be lynch scum/evil 3rd party. However if there is no case on that, I am more than willing to lynch the least valuable person based on claims/votes.

ANARK

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It seems I've missed a lot of interesting stuff. I don't have a whole lot of time right now, so here are my thoughts in brief:

1. I believe Nark is town-sided -- Disagree.

2. I still don't like how X-Stor-X pushes. He is trying to lead but I haven't really seen much benefit from it yet. As someone said earlier, he is pushing but doing it wrong to get decent reactions, and the majority of reactions he does get he doesn't find satisfactory. Disagree, it is Day1, how can you judge benefits when this game has JUST started????

3. Can we lynch Rugbirn? Town or not, he's a detriment. I agree he is a detriment at this point

So while I wasn t giving much credit to neb s acusation in the first place, (i remembered that anark was playing on words and saying he didn't softclaim badger, not that he isn t badger)
He did say that no clue was dropped regarding his nameclaim after that. How could it not be a clue when we all immediately thought the same thing, and a few posts later nark confirms he is badger?
It doesn t add up.

It really does not add up.

As far as my opinion, I tend to believe Nark because nobody could be THAT stupid to fakeclaim VT with 1-2 votes on him. To me, it makes SOME sense to claim VT early because you can always say you opted for it to get the game moving forward, while if you claim VT at -1, you're dead. For Nark to do so as mafia, he either entered the top 10 worst CC mafia plays (if we lynch him for his weird play) or the top 10 craftiest mafia plays (for predicting we'd WIFOM that into thinking he is town). I don't think either is the case.

This however, is a good defense for Anark


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Virus90 - Also a top candidate for me for Day 1 today. Weak play so far and quick to bandwagon on superkeener
Rugbirn - wwttfff??? I am ready to lynch this guy as well. Seems to be clueless and hurting town more than helping. The only thing I have liked was his last post. I respect his vote onto Anark. (Could be self preservation though)

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Outside of top 3 IGMEO.............
Iron Butterfly - didnt like his vote on superkeener, and didnt like another post of his I gotta look it back up. I DO think he is mafia every single game we play together though
iamcaffeine - He has said some things I do not like as well.
Rodion - very hard to read at this point - I hope he gets his internet back soon. His lack of voting does not help me get a read.
TFO - Is he around
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Metsfanmex - I HAD some bad vibes on him as others have said, but then he came back out with a good post and I am getting town feels at this point.
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Everyone else I have a neutral read on. There are some players I am getting town vibes on, but I am going to hold onto that information for now until past Day 1.

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Deadline within 24 hours.. I definitely think Anarchist > Superkeener. I disagree with xstor right now on superkeener and would like to get superkeener chatting/voting more.
Anarchist
1. Claimed with pretty much no reason. (Failed to give town information by letting a wagon build)
2. Softclaimed - then lied, then claimed.
3. I have read his posts and his posts do not stick out as strong contributions.

As I quoted above. Nothing he has done so far has added up as pro-town in my eyes.
I feel like we do have an instance where scum/3rd party "botched" their claim miserably.
If I am wrong, then we lose a VT with no powers.
Very low risk, high reward. I will take that for Day 1.

I would have loved to get 2 claims on Day 1 with an 18 player game, but this is still satisfactory in my eyes
Vote Anarchist

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[MoB Deadly]

Whoops. I rearranged my post, and I did not explain why I have Nebs case on Anarchist quoted up top. Pretty much I agree with his case/analysis. Almost everything Neb says there I agree with. That really convinced my vote before I read the rest of the day.

The Superkeener event happened after, and is worth noting/pressuring tomorrow. But I dont think we have enough time to drive on that today. I would rather avoid it for now rather than making Superkeener claim. Ideally I would pick someone suspect prior to their vote on superkeener.

VIRUS would be a perfect candidate for second claim, but we will never get that with a deadline looming.

[MoB Deadly]

Everyone else I have a neutral read on. There are some players I am getting town vibes on, but I am going to hold onto that information for now until past Day 1.

I changed my mind, I will do a full analysis today since I havent been posting much:

SCUMMY:
Anarchist
Virus90 (noobish?)


SLIGHTLY SCUMMY:
Rugbirn (but not a good townie right now)
Ironbutterfly (I have a strong mafia bias towards IB)
Rodion
iAmCaffeine
Theforgivenone

NO CLUE:
Nagerous
Cooldeals
Superkeener
Metsfanmax (scummy then townish, need to revisit)
x-stor-x (Leader)

TOWN (Makes posts I agree with)
Pancake
Betiko (I have a strong town bias towards betiko)
nebuchadnezer -- I like
Jonty125 -- I like
Rishaed -- I like

[MoB Deadly]

I would put Rugbirn up on scummy list for blatant role fishing on virus....
Has nagerous been posting? I usually see his Purple color standing out, but I dont recall much of his posts

sorry for the quadpost. This is typical of me. But I would rather talk than save information, ESPECIALLLY when I have been much less active than I have hoped so far.

[StorrZerg]

don't say sorry, happy to see the activity

and since you are around right now.


Personally i don't like list post. Easy to do as any alignment + leaves out a lot of thought process behind why you think the way you do about someone.


So this is in regards to mets. what made you change your mind about him? What in particular made him green in your eyes.

[strike wolf]

Alright weekend turned out to be a bit of a bigger distraction than I expected but back now.

Official Vote Count

Metsfanmax
Anarchist (4)-betiko, Jonty125, rugbirn, mob deadly
Virus90 (1)-Pancake
Rodion
Pancake
Cooldeals
Mob Deadly
Nagerous
Theforgivenone
iAmCaffeine
Betiko
x-stor-x (2)-Nagerous, Metsfanmax
nebuchadnezer (1)-Anarkist
Ironbutterfly (1)-Superkeener
Superkeener (4)-x-stor, iron butterfly, Virus, neb
Rugbirn
Jonty125
Rishaed

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Tuesday, March 4th in 1 day. The soft deadline is noon EST but likely I won't be able to get around to a scene until later (after 3 pm). Reminder anyone 5+ votes with the most at the end of the day will be lynched. As of right now, no one would be lynched upon reaching deadline.

[cooldeals]

With the deadline showing up in two days, we need to decide about lynching. The breaking point is five votes, therefor I believe we can get a lynch off today, and maybe another claim. However I think its getting a bit to late in a day (unless we are all on) to get another claim without effectively lynching whoever we choose to get a claim from. I don't have any strong scum reads, some town reads. Rugbirn is obviously new from his posts, to these forums and CCMafia, but that doesn't justify lynching him. My best lead is Mets with his lynching the annoying one comment. Vote Mets. Rugbirn deserves a bit more time/advice before I'll support lynching him, and he is nowhere near disruptive to a game as Yomiel ever was from what i've seen from the Archives.

I've talked to Mets in live chat a decent amount considered this and even his vote on X-Stor just his personality and humor. I imagine there is some sarcasm as well as dislike in it. But in any case I see this as something a Town Mets would say, rather than a scummy Mets trying to pressure a Townie.

I guess my biggest thing is are we certain enough that he wasn't joking to lynch him? It seems like someone could jump on him for this even if he was joking to protect themselves. There's nothing like a decent reason to explain why you voted Town for scum to hide behind. Because of this I went through some of rishaed's posts through the game.

I will say that X-Stor-x has been pretty benificially keeping the game moving on D1 which can become difficult, so props for that.

So rishaed is happy with X-Stor-x play, as I think several of us are to keep the game moving

But then he goes and FOS X-Stor-x

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So it seems he is now suspicious of X-Stor, but then when Mets verbally spars with him for being annoying he jumps on Mets who has no votes with the deadline he has mentioned multiple times coming up. This just seems off to me for several reasons.

a) His changing position on X-Stor
b) The Mets case doesn't seem to hold water to me
c) He references the deadline many times and then goes down a rabbit trail with Mets

I'll post again soon with a vote and more discussion. I think this late in the deadline and all we have is a half-claim is not good for Town.

[StorrZerg]

lets say 3 people have 5 lynches on them end of day 1. will all 3 of those people be lynched?

[strike wolf]

Sorry I meant to include that. In case of a tie, it will be the first to receive 5 votes.

[MoB Deadly]

So this is in regards to mets. what made you change your mind about him? What in particular made him green in your eyes.

Sure..

His beginning posts were mostly quick 1 liners, or flavor speculation. Active but not really active posts.
Headbutting with you is neutral to me.

superkeener perhaps? His main contribution over the last few pages has been an awful misread of a post.

He was notably against superkeener.

If there are no strong cases on D1, I would be tempted to lynch the annoying one.

Then he got really scummy for me. Why not go for the VT? Seems like he wanted to headbutt with you more, so that his vote would be irrelevant for Day 1.

Then he votes you, even though, with this amount of time available theres no point to do that. This is equal to not voting for me. Even if you flip scum, it will not hold much water for his townness.

BUT THEN... you play towards his wishes and generate a "case" on someone he already said he suspects. If he was scum he would follow I think.
He doesnt, calls out your case as BS. (Could be attributed to more headbutting though)

Calls out bandwagoners on Superkeener.

I like this because I am against the superkeener case as well. I dont think it is substantial and more importantly THERE WAS NO DEBATE. There are quite a few wagoners who were just like "uhhh - I agree" and voted.... WTF is that? Did they NOT have 1 single extra thing they found suspect about superkeener before voting? Or are they just sheeping to the most active player.

That is scummy, and mets calling them out, gives me a town vibe. He is pobably the only one who went from scummy -> town today in my book.