[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[StorrZerg]

He is a survivor. We saw what happened when we have let survivors live last game and several games in fact. A survivor ONLY does what is good for them.

Anyone who was in the Harry Potter game knows that I'd prefer to lynch a 3rd party over a weak case on a claimed town.

What does the 3rd party from that game say?

also i think you guys messed up, imma take that MVP token shoulda killed me.

But there is still plenty of time in D1. Maybe a better target can be found.

Is it possible that IR is something like an escaped lunatic pretending to be a townie? Maybe to win, IR has to stay hidden, helping as if a townie, but not really?

Are you talking about IB here?

yeah. so that comment was directed at MAFIA from HP, deg, because it has to do with the MVP. That was that game. This game is different.

hotshot was forced to claim, and he claimed 3p. Of course we lynch. Specially since IB is claiming that he is a threat to town. a normal survivor is not a threat to town, Hence there is a question with the claims. Kill hotshot, find out result.


and i agree with you deg, regarding player lol ? i wouldnt' worry about it, ib will die long before the end of the game if he is a threat to town.

[madmitch]

@ I.B. What is up with the use of weather instead of whether? you are an intelligent man so I think you are trying to tell us something, we are in a stormy ride if we don't get rid of H.S. or I am making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[StorrZerg]

most likely accident. and if it was intentional he isn't going to admit it now. not to mention its not the type of random hint he would be trying to give.

[the white rose]

Last game TWR was this quiet he was mafia.

VOTE TWR(THE WHITE ROSE)

oh really?

seems you have not forgiven me for lynching you when i was doublevoter.

I do have a life you know, and no time to post every hour, especially in the first few days of D1, when lets face it there is precious little to post about.

FWIW Aladdin seems to have good ideas, my vote on him was solely to him annoying me with all this misspelling, sometimes hard to even work out what he has been saying. However, when he has kept it to a minimum his ideas seem sound.

Having said that, I am not convinced of the urgency to lynch either of them today,,,,,I could be persuaded to vote for either of them, but not yet, wanna think a bit more about it.....but for now Aladdin has earned this >>>>> unvote but keep this misspelling down to a minimum mate otherwise i may reconsider

Noone has asked nor expects anyone to post every hour, yeh I know it is an exaggeration, but sounds like a rationalization to legitimize your almost complete absence.

You also believe their is precious little to post about? Have you been reading?

I would be curious on what exactly you need to think about some more. Here I am!! You have the source right in front of you.What is it you are confused about? What is it about my claim you need to question?

Let me ask YOU this. What do you NEED to be persuaded to vote for ME or to vote for Hotshot?

Obviously there is only so much information that can be given before an intelligent decision can be reached on your part. What more is it you need?

You believe we are both mafia?
You believe we are both Town?

Ptlowe is right about how you were caught the last game you were mafia. I knew it as well. As Town you are Sherlock Holmes as mafia you seemed to have the newbie psychological disadvantage of not knowing how to act like Town while being mafia.

when i last posted hotshot had not had chance to explain his side of the story for starters.

many others are holding back waiting for more information to come to light before voting.

They are not accused of being scum, yet i am for doing the same.

It is true that in the adventure land game i posted more, but you know, that was simply cos i had more time to post.

In my second game i was busier and did not have the chance to post as much, i was nk'd on n1, and of course was town.

you are basing your findings on the stack the deck game, which was played at the same time as the the other two games. My only mistake there was to play 3 games at once.

tbh day 1 bores me as i do not like having to guess, right now thats all i would be doing, so i read everything clearly and post only when i have something worth saying....even so i would wage a bet that i am in the top half of posters in this game.

as to the ib v hotshot saga, i really do not know who is telling the truth. I am leaning towards ib being a lyncher and hotshot being a survivor, both being 3p and both being pretty harmless to town.

Therefore i would rather look at finding someone else to lynch, someone who may be scum.....as yet i have no idea who may be scum, but i am reading and putting each player under the microscope.

I would guess that most of the scum probably have yet to post or at the very least staying in the background.....thats something i learned from the adventureland game. It is for that reason that i do not vote for either ib or hotshot.

ib keeps on about how hotshot is dangerous for town, yet claims he does not know how that will be....so on what basis is ib claiming that? was he told by the mods that hotshot is dangerous? or does his claimed post restriction prevent him from elaborating? I do not believe the mods will give information about hotshot to ib....and claiming a post restriction is a convenient way of not making something up, if hotshot is not accused of being something how can he defend himself?

being a bastard game, i can quite believe that ib's win condition is to lynch hotshot, and i can quite believe that hotshot is given the role of survivor.....in which case town should not spend anymore time wondering about this and allow them both to live. lets clear the muddy waters being created by this ib v hotshot game and you never know, someone may spring up as scummy.

[Iron Butterfly]

Hotshot IS scum

I am Town. My win condition is to stop him from causing harm to Town. I can only win as Town if he dies by end of game. I do not have to live.

If you think I am not Town then lynch me.

Several question I am Town because I have said I am Town.

Why are those questioning me on that issue not as worried about someone lying about the possibility of being a survivor?

AT its most simple there IS scum between either HS or myself.

[AladdinSane]

.....but for now Aladdin has earned this >>>>> unvote but keep this misspelling down to a minimum mate otherwise i may reconsider

Wil doo, mayte

[Ragian]

It literally makes no sense for there to be 8 players who cannot vote and would therefore be modkilled if we don't do anything. Pure absurdity. Stop speculating like that.

First:

... so I don't even think that it's plausible.

If you really don't think it's plausible, then don't bring it up. You're intentionally obfuscating the debate by suggesting things that aren't realistic, which is bad for town.

Moreover, who said anything about eight? I never mentioned a number. You inferred that I meant everyone not voting. I never did. Stop with the imperatives like that.

In your speculation, this was given as the reason why we might need four fewer people for a lynch. In order for 11 to be the lynch majority and your hypothesis to hold true, that would require there to be only 20 eligible voters, meaning eight ineligible voters. It was an obvious conclusion from your statement.

I'll ponder and speculate if I want to. If my one post obfuscates the entire day for you, you need to work on your abilities of sorting material. Intentionally fogging is a weak accusation. What is it that I'm trying to cloud?

AT its most simple there IS scum between either HS or myself.

This is much better than what one can usually get D1. I'm on board. Even if HS is not scum and IB is, I'd take the 1v1 trade any day. I can't believe IB would make this play D1 if he is in fact scum.

vote hotshot

FP'ed by Alladin

[the white rose]

ok, i will go along with that....though suspect they are both 3p

vote hotshot

[rizky_biznezz]

i still don't understand why we were given him so easily to lynch if hot shot is able to let ppl out of the asylum or is able to kill people... but then if hot shot is a survivor/3p and not really too much of a risk to town it seems like he didn't stand a chance with what IB was given...

im going with IBs claim just in case so i will vote hotshot as there isn't really anything on anybody else so it would be completely random and im not sure we could get enough momentum going to get 11 votes for anyone else especially with half of the players missing...

really hoping you aren't gaining some kind of evil super power out of getting hot shot lynched though IB lol...

also still don't recall seeing a post from thewarrior who is below me on the list

[AladdinSane]

I am Town "Insane Asylum Guard". For all practical purposes I am a Vanilla Townie.

Hotshot IS scum

I am Town. My win condition is to stop him from causing harm to Town. I can only win as Town if he dies by end of game. I do not have to live.

This is just my second game, but I take "scum" and "Mafia" to be synonymous - if you accuse someone of being scum, you accuse him or her specifically of being Mafia? Or does "scum" have the wider meaning of "anti-Town"? I'd be greatful if someone could clear that up for me.

IB: Assuming that you are claiming specifically that HotShot is Mafia, how do you know? Can you say whether you were informed of this? Can you say if you had a N0 action? Can you say if you had a N0 action that yielded info about HotShot?

You say that you are, for all intents and purposes, a Vanilla Townie (now that you have accused HS). If that is true, then your win conditions are exactly those of Town. So you seem to be saying that Town loses if HS survives to the end.

I think I may have misread earlier: I had the impression you were saying it was essential for Town to lynch HS on D1, but now it seems like you are saying anytime will do, but you feel it would be better to do it right away.

[AladdinSane]

I will say this. The person who is a threat to town, who will cause harm to town may or may not be mafia. Definitely anti town.

Okay, I've just gon back and seen this. So you seem too be saying that HS is anti-Town and not specifically Mafia. But I guess you haven't ruled out Mafia.

[Iron Butterfly]

right. Scum are roles/factions that need to eliminate or kill Town to achieve their win condition.

[ptlowe]

How many games have you been in with the white rose?

I believe 4. Of those three of them he was as active as stor and 1 he wasnt in that one he was scum

[AladdinSane]

My role doesn't seem to refer to anything about an insane asylum, so I'm not sure what that's about. And I do not have any killing powers; anyone is welcome to follow me around tonight and they'll see that I don't kill someone. Since it seems I will be killed if I don't defend myself with a claim or something, I will say that I am a survivor, my whole goal is getting to endgame (hopefully with town). So I guess it's IB's goal to lynch me, and my goal to just stay alive. As a third party survivor, my death won't help town at all since some scum could be happy to join in lynching me also; the results of the vote won't help anything.

Well, if you're a simple survivor, then tehre is no risk to Town in lynching you, and it would yield useful info about IB, given his claims about you. This defense,, in fact, that makes me more inclined to vote you. If, on the other hand, you had said that your survival was esential to a Town win, it would be a different story.

The remaining worry is, I guess, that IB is actually a lyncher or jester or something. I'm inclined to think not, tho, simply because that seems like a too-obvious booby-trap.

The other thing I would like to clarify about IB's claim is this: If you survive to the end of the game, HSwins, and Town loses. So, if Town achieves its win condition (ending the game), it nevertheless loses if HS is still alive? Is that the claim?

[madmitch]

I think everyone is making to much a big deal over what I.B.said . In the simplest terms he said Me good, Hot Shot bad.

[PLAYER57832]

Is it possible that IR is something like an escaped lunatic pretending to be a townie? Maybe to win, IR has to stay hidden, helping as if a townie, but not really?

Are you talking about IB here?

yes, that was my thought.

I change to UNVOTE I am not sure I know enough now to vote.

[the white rose]

How many games have you been in with the white rose?

I believe 4. Of those three of them he was as active as stor and 1 he wasnt in that one he was scum

od dear pt, be careful, there are players on here whose motto is lynch all liars.

for the record, I have played 3 games before this one.

first. adventureland where i was a doublevoter, being my only game at the time i was more active in this than the ones that followed.

my second game was i think a standard game, cos i was playing adventureland and because i was getting a little busy in other things, i was not very active in this game, i was nightkilled N1 and was town.

my third game was played at the same time as the other 2, I was as active in this one as i was in the second until i was threatened with being lynched. Then i was more active. eventually i was lynched as i was counterclaimed.

So really i was 'as active as stor' in just one game, not so in the other 2 games, one of which i was scum and the other town.

Now i probably will not be posting in this forum anymore today, please do not take that as scummy, I am taking my wife out for dinner....if you wanna lynch me for that....go ahead, it will be worth it.

All i have said is the truth and i can provide links to all these games if necessary.

[ptlowe]

You seem to be getting very defensive. I said I believe 4. I will have to check memory sucks. I do know we were playing two games at same time. One you posted in a lot one you didn't we lynched you in the one you didn't and you were mafia. Also I know there was other game or games you were super active. I'll have to look
I think there was political, standard type, adventure and I think one more. Will look.

[Ragian]

Who has said anything about lynching you? PT suggested that your lack of posting (which is not worse than others') could be interpreted as scummy because he recalls you being very vocal in adventure time (which you was). Whether or not you had more time then than now, we can't really "check" or anything so let's not go down that road. But from saying that your amount of posting is extraordinary (in the sense that you are known to post loads - well, from that one game I've played with you) to suggesting to lynch you is a leap of dimensions. You come off as very frail or perhaps paranoid.

Have a nice dinner

FP'ed by PT

[ptlowe]

So you have played four games

Political adventure a beginner game and stack the deck. You also posted in my c11 game. I was only in three with you but of those you generally post more when not scummy.

[benga]

I just wonder hod did HS gave up so easily, he practically said lynch me.

[StorrZerg]

Name is Storr guys, thanks. (helps me a lot when searching for people commenting about mee)

Unvote
Vote hotshot

I still think something is fishy about whats going on. I suspect hotshot is going to be some kind of anti town 3rd party/ second set of mafia not called mafia?

[StorrZerg]

I just wonder hod did HS gave up so easily, he practically said lynch me.

it can be pretty demotivating to be playing a 3rd party and be outed on day 1. Specially if he is a survivor. He has an almost 0 chance of finishing the game alive if he was inputting all his focus on the game.

[StorrZerg]

btw i'm feeling better about ptlowe.

signing off for now

[StorrZerg]

Hotshot IS scum

I am Town. My win condition is to stop him from causing harm to Town. I can only win as Town if he dies by end of game. I do not have to live.

If you think I am not Town then lynch me.

Several question I am Town because I have said I am Town.

Why are those questioning me on that issue not as worried about someone lying about the possibility of being a survivor?

AT its most simple there IS scum between either HS or myself.

Sorry i just need to do one more post.

Hotshot is not 100% scum. You are just saying that to get the lynch on him. chill, it is on him and its going to happen. 0 reason to be rushing him. hotshot could easily be a SK. and that would match what you have given. and still not be mafia.

At most their could be 1 of the same scum. Its possible to be 2 anti town factions together. (i doubt though) Additionally its possible to be 2 that are not anti town.