PKMN Beach Mafia: Cult Wins

[dakky21]

Hotshot voting AoG and aage voting Marashu are a waste of votes. We'll end the day without a lynch. Yes, we do have 2 more days, but since we can't agree, I think we should prepare for my vig kill. Townies, say who would you like to be targeted. Since we got more votes than mafia, agree on someone. I'll pick the candidate with most votes.

I think Yoshi forces a lynch, even with only a plurality.

That's now double skimming...

Rules:
4. Make votes in bold and red to be counted. Lynches require a majority except in the first 2 days when greatest number of votes at deadline will be lynched.

Vote Count

dakky21 (3) - william18, mandalorian2298, Marashu
william18 (3) - strike wolf, dakky21, madmitch

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. None will die if deadline were right now.

Deadline is: August 23rd.

Majority is not plurality, majority means 50% + 1 vote... that's 5 to lynch.

So start voting who should I target.

[dakky21]

EBWOP: @William ... Start thinking about who to lynch today as any lynch is better than no lynch. With no lynch we'll be stuck tomorrow just as we are stuck today. So since we won't get a majority on me or you, start following some other wagons or make another case... if you, mandy and Marashu don't make another case, I'll start to think you're playing together.

@DY .. please prod AoG... or replace him... he is killing the game even more.

[Marashu]

Mandy, can you only target 1 person and yourself, or can you swap 2 people? Interesting to note 2 or more people targeted aage - grats on clearing 2wc.

By process of elimination, I would say HotShot should go. Unless william and mandy are scumbuddies, they check each other out. Dakky is likely town. It is possible that aage was targeted by cop and doc but not mafia, and he himself is mafia, but that is unlikely. With an actual cop, mitch might be a good vigi candidate. Strike has been more towny today, and I feel like hotshot is more likely to be mafia than AoG.

vote hotshot

[mandalorian2298]

Mandy, can you only target 1 person and yourself, or can you swap 2 people? Interesting to note 2 or more people targeted aage - grats on clearing 2wc.

By process of elimination, I would say HotShot should go. Unless william and mandy are scumbuddies, they check each other out. Dakky is likely town. It is possible that aage was targeted by cop and doc but not mafia, and he himself is mafia, but that is unlikely. With an actual cop, mitch might be a good vigi candidate. Strike has been more towny today, and I feel like hotshot is more likely to be mafia than AoG.

vote hotshot

Yes I can, as I said I targeted Mitch and dakky on Night1. And, thank you!

Given how Mitch and Hotshot top my probable-Townie list (which also includes aage for the rish lynch and, barring some strange Mafia Cop scenario, william), I find it scummy that you would lynch one because of your feeling and vig the other based on, somehow, less than that. Makes me want to FOS Marashu.

@Aage, if understand correctly you are voting Marashu just for seeming least Townie of the remaining players, not for doing anything scummy per se, correct?

[aage]

@Aage, if understand correctly you are voting Marashu just for seeming least Townie of the remaining players, not for doing anything scummy per se, correct?

Yep, as Marashu ironically also said, process of elimination.

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count

dakky21 (3) - william18, mandalorian2298
william18 (3) - dakky21, madmitch
Army of GOD (1) - Hotshot53
Marashu (1) - aage
Hotshot53 (1) - Marashu

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. None will die if deadline were right now.

Deadline is: August 23rd.

I'm gone for 2 more days on business. I will return before deadline. AoG has been prodded.

[mandalorian2298]

Vote Count

dakky21 (2) - william18, mandalorian2298
william18 (2) - dakky21, madmitch
Army of GOD (1) - Hotshot53
Marashu (1) - aage
Hotshot53 (1) - Marashu

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. None will die if deadline were right now.

Deadline is: August 23rd.

I'm gone for 2 more days on business. I will return before deadline. AoG has been prodded.

EBWOP

[madmitch]

Something not quite right in this neighborhood, TO MANY FLAVOR ROLES I think Mandy is lying about his role I think he only said that to help out his scum buddy Will who just kept digging him self a deeper hole.Will should have used his so called abilities N1 and the his so called investigating Aage ,Mandy /Dakky screw up and his saying about a Bus driving role gave Mandy the chance to step in and save his hide.Mandy is trying to play town bye saying how much town H.S. and I are for trying to help I.B. and why would he waste his BUS DRIVING power on Dakky and myself that makes no sense. I am staying firm with my pick

[mandalorian2298]

Something not quite right in this neighborhood, TO MANY FLAVOR ROLES I think Mandy is lying about his role I think he only said that to help out his scum buddy Will who just kept digging him self a deeper hole.Will should have used his so called abilities N1 and the his so called investigating Aage ,Mandy /Dakky screw up and his saying about a Bus driving role gave Mandy the chance to step in and save his hide.Mandy is trying to play town bye saying how much town H.S. and I are for trying to help I.B. and why would he waste his BUS DRIVING power on Dakky and myself that makes no sense. I am staying firm with my pick

1. If this was all some clever ruse, why wouldn't William just say that he investigated aage and found him Town? It is unlikely that aage is going to say "Hah! He's lying I'm actually scum!" and it is equally unlikely that we are going to lynch aage just to see if william is lying.

2. I never stick out my neck for no one, especially a scum buddy, because it's just throwing good money after the bad. In the games where I'm scum and one of my scum-buddies gets made, this makes it even more important for me to survive since, unlike Town (majority), scum (minority) can ill afford do lose one of it's members, much less two.

3. I didn't say that Hot Shot and you are Town, I said that your behaviour was Town-like since I don't know why Mafia would try to help a Townie like that.
Unless the Lord moves them.

4. I wish you and your pick many years of firm togatherness. I'm staying with my vote since there is only one player that I KNOW to be threat to town.

5. I understood all of your post. I'm just saying. There is no need to applaud me. Unless someone thinks that I deserve applause. Either way is fine with me. No pressure.

[madmitch]

I think yee protest to much

[dakky21]

4. I wish you and your pick many years of firm togatherness. I'm staying with my vote since there is only one player that I KNOW to be threat to town.

I know you won't change your vote, but let me ask you something. If I didn't mention possibility of turning into SK and said I am only a town vig, would I STILL be a threat to town? I guess you will say No. But, if you say No, then today I am not a threat and therefore you don't KNOW I am a threat to town. It's a funny loop.

[william18]

Hotshot voting AoG and aage voting Marashu are a waste of votes. We'll end the day without a lynch. Yes, we do have 2 more days, but since we can't agree, I think we should prepare for my vig kill. Townies, say who would you like to be targeted. Since we got more votes than mafia, agree on someone. I'll pick the candidate with most votes.

I think Yoshi forces a lynch, even with only a plurality.

That's now double skimming...

Rules:
4. Make votes in bold and red to be counted. Lynches require a majority except in the first 2 days when greatest number of votes at deadline will be lynched.

Vote Count

dakky21 (3) - william18, mandalorian2298, Marashu
william18 (3) - strike wolf, dakky21, madmitch

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. None will die if deadline were right now.

Deadline is: August 23rd.

Majority is not plurality, majority means 50% + 1 vote... that's 5 to lynch.

So start voting who should I target.

You must have skimmed mine and hotshots post about how mitch was actually the one who skimmed. I'll concede i missed the part about that phase ending on day 3.

EBWOP: @William ... Start thinking about who to lynch today as any lynch is better than no lynch. With no lynch we'll be stuck tomorrow just as we are stuck today. So since we won't get a majority on me or you, start following some other wagons or make another case... if you, mandy and Marashu don't make another case, I'll start to think you're playing together.

@DY .. please prod AoG... or replace him... he is killing the game even more.

I want to lynch you. I don't think the unlikely chance of you killing mafia is worth the information we would receive right now. It would make my investigations a bit easier knowing who you really are. Alot of people here are rather mathphobic, and used that as a case against me, claiming information and reads are of greater importance. Ironically, lynching dakky really is the information play. I don't really get why you want to live another night just to be lynched the next day. If your town, your putting yourself at a 50/50 to lose the game if your lynched as an sk.

On the note of who to kill if your still alive, if possible, i'd prefer if you killed yourself.

Something not quite right in this neighborhood, TO MANY FLAVOR ROLES I think Mandy is lying about his role I think he only said that to help out his scum buddy Will who just kept digging him self a deeper hole.Will should have used his so called abilities N1 and the his so called investigating Aage ,Mandy /Dakky screw up and his saying about a Bus driving role gave Mandy the chance to step in and save his hide.Mandy is trying to play town bye saying how much town H.S. and I are for trying to help I.B. and why would he waste his BUDRIVING power on Dakky and myself that makes no sense. I am staying firm with my pick

I didn't act night one so that I would still have the option to become a doctor if the original died.

FP by dakky

[william18]

4. I wish you and your pick many years of firm togatherness. I'm staying with my vote since there is only one player that I KNOW to be threat to town.

I know you won't change your vote, but let me ask you something. If I didn't mention possibility of turning into SK and said I am only a town vig, would I STILL be a threat to town? I guess you will say No. But, if you say No, then today I am not a threat and therefore you don't KNOW I am a threat to town. It's a funny loop.

We don't even know if your still town. We don't know how night actions are processed and what has priority. Does yoshi flip a coin, then give mitch his result? Does he give mitch the current result and then flip for your alignment? Stop pretending like we have proof you are town. All we have is some lackluster flavour, and last i checked, vigilantes are still murderers.

[madmitch]

It looks like Will and Mandy and Dakky and myself don't want to change votes,well that is no good for town, can we all agree on someone else that we all think that could be scummy? W e all agree Aage is the good guy so let's follow his vote.

[mandalorian2298]

4. I wish you and your pick many years of firm togatherness. I'm staying with my vote since there is only one player that I KNOW to be threat to town.

I know you won't change your vote, but let me ask you something. If I didn't mention possibility of turning into SK and said I am only a town vig, would I STILL be a threat to town? I guess you will say No. But, if you say No, then today I am not a threat and therefore you don't KNOW I am a threat to town. It's a funny loop.

You are long term threat to Town. Today, tomorrow, it matters not. But since I KNOW of no long term or short term targets TODAY, TODAY my vote stays on you with hope that TOMORROW I will know more.

William, would you consider investigating Marashu on Night 3?

[dakky21]

On the note of who to kill if your still alive, if possible, i'd prefer if you killed yourself.

Can you tell me what would town find out if I was totally honest and said the truth and flipped town vig? What new information would come in and how would it influence D4? Please, tell me, I want to know.

We don't even know if your still town. We don't know how night actions are processed and what has priority. Does yoshi flip a coin, then give mitch his result? Does he give mitch the current result and then flip for your alignment? Stop pretending like we have proof you are town. All we have is some lackluster flavour, and last i checked, vigilantes are still murderers.

Just as WE don't know if I am still town, WE don't know if you are town. You're pretending like WE have a proof that you are town. Just saying. Being a scum JOAT is also possible and being tied to the first choice is also possible, while I don't think you would be granted 3 kills (I don't believe it would be possible to have 2 town vigs in a first place). You could have made up all about investigating aage and being bussed to mandy. So, how exactly do we know that you're telling the truth? What's the difference between my claim and yours? There is none, except you claimed something more plausible for town, to avoid being lynched.

It looks like Will and Mandy and Dakky and myself don't want to change votes,well that is no good for town, can we all agree on someone else that we all think that could be scummy? W e all agree Aage is the good guy so let's follow his vote.

Looks like it. But I don't think they will agree to lynch Marashu or change their votes. Looks like they want the day to end without lynch as town won't get any new information overnight and looks like they want me to shoot someone, while they're afraid I'll shoot some of them.

fp'd by mandy.... Mandy... check the question I asked Will... you can also give me the answer... thanks...

[mandalorian2298]

Didn't see that there is another post.

It looks like Will and Mandy and Dakky and myself don't want to change votes,well that is no good for town, can we all agree on someone else that we all think that could be scummy? W e all agree Aage is the good guy so let's follow his vote.

A very reasonable suggestion. If it comes down to either that or No Lynch, I agree.

However, I would like to raise two points.

1) Despite his good play so far aage has not been PROVEN Town, so we should not follow him blindly. If we do end up lynching Marashu, there may be merrit in having william investigate aage to clear aage, so that we can have one player who we are all sure is Town (because for him to be scum after such a check would require 1) a four strong Mafia at the start; 2) rish, aage, william and myself being members; 3) aage trying to become the worst scum player in Mafia history ).
However, this would waste a chance to hit actual scum so I am really not sure if it's worth it. I would like to hear any opinions that you guys might have about this.

2) The reason why I followed aage on his rish lynch was because he found compelling evidence against rish. While his logic for voting Marashu for being the least Townie-looking player is sound, it is not as compelling as the firm case against rish. Because of this I would much prefer to use this lynch against a guy that we're almost certainly want to lynch before the end.

LOL. fp'ed by dakky and the first thing I read is "fp'ed by mandy"

@dakky You are absulutely right that william has not proven that he is Town.

From my perspective, he proved that he targeted aage with something non-lethal, since that didn't kill aage/me but gave me my Personal Victory; and that he recieved feedback from DoomYoshi about it, which made him aware that a Bus ride took place.

From the perspective of the rest of you guys, it only proves that either 1) william has some sort of targeting role with a feedback (Cop or Tracker) (which doesn't necessarily make him pro-Town) or 2) I am lying about the Bus Ride taking place.
Basically, unless I'm scum, william has proven that he investigated, in some way, aage and me on Night 2.

[mandalorian2298]

Basically, unless I'm scum, william has proven that he investigated, in some way, aage (which was actually me) on Night 2.

EBWOP the last sentence.

[william18]

On the note of who to kill if your still alive, if possible, i'd prefer if you killed yourself.

Can you tell me what would town find out if I was totally honest and said the truth and flipped town vig? What new information would come in and how would it influence D4? Please, tell me, I want to know.

Info:
1. I would trust mitch more.
2. I would trust Aage more. Believe it or not, I'm not 100% hes a town.
3. Mafia kill was blocked. So either a roleblocker or a doctor succeeded last night.

Benefits:
1. If i find scum, we can lynch him, without worrying about you.
2. We lynch a future sk.
FP by mandy

[dakky21]

@dakky You are absulutely right that william has not proven that he is Town.

From my perspective, he proved that he targeted aage with something non-lethal, since that didn't kill aage/me but gave me my Personal Victory; and that he recieved feedback from DoomYoshi about it, which made him aware that a Bus ride took place.

I received feedback from DoomYoshi saying I am still town but no one cares to believe. But, when William says he received a feedback from Yoshi, then that must be true. He may did received the feedback, but he maybe didn't get a result about you and maybe he didn't target aage in the first place, so yeah, you could be lying about it as well.

On the note of who to kill if your still alive, if possible, i'd prefer if you killed yourself.

Can you tell me what would town find out if I was totally honest and said the truth and flipped town vig? What new information would come in and how would it influence D4? Please, tell me, I want to know.

Info:
1. I would trust mitch more.
2. I would trust Aage more. Believe it or not, I'm not 100% hes a town.
3. Mafia kill was blocked. So either a roleblocker or a doctor succeeded last night.

Benefits:
1. If i find scum, we can lynch him, without worrying about you.
2. We lynch a future sk.
FP by mandy

You actually didn't said how exactly would D4 be influenced. YOU would trust mitch and aage more, what about the others? If YOU find scum, others can bandwagon and lynch him without worrying about me? What IF you're the scum and you lynch me today, nightkill tonight, and say someone from town is scum because you investigated it? That's 4 town kills in two days and one night, bringing the game to 5 players, and if I was correct with 3 scum still alive, you win... maybe that's why you want so hard to lynch me today...

[william18]

@dakky You are absulutely right that william has not proven that he is Town.

From my perspective, he proved that he targeted aage with something non-lethal, since that didn't kill aage/me but gave me my Personal Victory; and that he recieved feedback from DoomYoshi about it, which made him aware that a Bus ride took place.

I received feedback from DoomYoshi saying I am still town but no one cares to believe. But, when William says he received a feedback from Yoshi, then that must be true. He may did received the feedback, but he maybe didn't get a result about you and maybe he didn't target aage in the first place, so yeah, you could be lying about it as well.

On the note of who to kill if your still alive, if possible, i'd prefer if you killed yourself.

Can you tell me what would town find out if I was totally honest and said the truth and flipped town vig? What new information would come in and how would it influence D4? Please, tell me, I want to know.

Info:
1. I would trust mitch more.
2. I would trust Aage more. Believe it or not, I'm not 100% hes a town.
3. Mafia kill was blocked. So either a roleblocker or a doctor succeeded last night.

Benefits:
1. If i find scum, we can lynch him, without worrying about you.
2. We lynch a future sk.
FP by mandy

You actually didn't said how exactly would D4 be influenced. YOU would trust mitch and aage more, what about the others? If YOU find scum, others can bandwagon and lynch him without worrying about me? What IF you're the scum and you lynch me today, nightkill tonight, and say someone from town is scum because you investigated it? That's 4 town kills in two days and one night, bringing the game to 5 players, and if I was correct with 3 scum still alive, you win... maybe that's why you want so hard to lynch me today...

I did. I implied that if you were lynched, and I found a mafia member, we could lynch him without worrying about you. I think everyone already agrees that you should be lynched before night 4. I just don't get why you want to have 50% chance to lose the game being lynched as an sk. Your probably already an sk, or maybe you don't care about personally winning. Neither are very good cases.

[dakky21]

I did. I implied that if you were lynched, and I found a mafia member, we could lynch him without worrying about you. I think everyone already agrees that you should be lynched before night 4. I just don't get why you want to have 50% chance to lose the game being lynched as an sk. Your probably already an sk, or maybe you don't care about personally winning. Neither are very good cases.

Because as we said before... mafia is not a game of chances. We have reads here and I want to take a shot at my top scum read tonight. Regardless if I turn to SK and lose the game. After all, there is a possibility I don't turn to sk and if that happens people will either have to believe me or they won't, but that's entirely new day.

[Army of GOD]

I'll claim. I was IB's other half as a town mason. My secondary WC was that IB had to survive, but it looks like IB made sure that didn't happen...


I'm going to vote william

I think the entire discussion around probabilities and whatnot is a smokescreen to act like he's making actually accusations.


Also, instead of leaving it up to dakky, I think we should tell dakky who to pick...that way at least we'll be in control of his night kill

[Army of GOD]

mitch was my strongest scum read so far but I think it's way too risky to willingly lynch a claimed detective when no other counter claims were made


that's a risky fakeclaim if he was scum...just can't do it

[Army of GOD]

other than william, I feel pretty good about hotshot being scum too. Honestly, I'd vote hotshot right now over william but I don't want to splinter the vote any more than it already is