GODFATHER MAFIA - FINALLY OVER! CORLEONES WIN!!!

[MountainLion]

because I"m reading, and I'm slow because I get distracted by everything???

Anyway, all I know his some of what he says is right. I am Captain Mark Mcluskey, though I'm not scum, and I have no idea at all about what / is saying. I didn't get any other info in my pm besides my name, and that I was a pro-town cop. That's it.

Alright, so you both say you're Captain Mcluskey, but he says your scum and you say you're not. Therefore, one of you is lying. We need to lynch one of you and if the result is innocent, the other falls because one of you is lying and we must lynch all liars. Am I right?

[/]

well, there is still the possibility that what Fircoal is saying is true, my role said that I Think Fircoal is scum, which would be invalid if I turned out to be paranoid or insane, so perhaps we should wait a night to see if either of us can get results or are killed.

[F1fth]

because I"m reading, and I'm slow because I get distracted by everything???

Anyway, all I know his some of what he says is right. I am Captain Mark Mcluskey, though I'm not scum, and I have no idea at all about what / is saying. I didn't get any other info in my pm besides my name, and that I was a pro-town cop. That's it.

Alright, so you both say you're Captain Mcluskey, but he says your scum and you say you're not. Therefore, one of you is lying. We need to lynch one of you and if the result is innocent, the other falls because one of you is lying and we must lynch all liars. Am I right?

You're mistaken here.

Fine I guess I hope this is within the rules.
Fircoal is Mark McClusky, as I have said I am a deputy, he is my captain, since I suspect him, that's why I'm in the game.

/ said that Fircoal is McClusky. All I see here is that / has alleged evidence (what it is exactly, I don't know) that Fircoal is scum, based on role names. Fircoal has confirmed his role but denied any connection with scum.

[wicked]

well, there is still the possibility that what Fircoal is saying is true, my role said that I Think Fircoal is scum, which would be invalid if I turned out to be paranoid or insane, so perhaps we should wait a night to see if either of us can get results or are killed.

You led us on this wild goose chase all for a THINK?? What a &$*#@ Noob. If you're a cop, investigate him tonite, don't come out with crap when you basically know nothing. Sheesh.

IF you are a cop, you've just given scum two nice juicy targets for tonite. Good job noob.

[MountainLion]

Found on the internet:

"A crooked police Captain Mark McCluskey (Sterling Hayden) enters the scene, on the payroll of Sollozzo and the one responsible for removing the guards from Corleone's room to set up the second assassination plot."

Virgil "The Turk" Sollozzo — a heroin dealer associated with the Tattaglia family.

As Anark said earlier in the game, there is the possibility of more than one group of mafia in this game...one of them being the Tattaglia. McCluskey appears to be a cop who isn't necessarily innocent.

Now in past games I've voted someone because of the character's appearance as scum and was wrong, so I'm not 100% sure, but I still think Fircoal could be a good lynch...especially if he's a mafia cop, which makes him a mafia power role which is stronger than a simple goon.

[Skittles!]

well, there is still the possibility that what Fircoal is saying is true, my role said that I Think Fircoal is scum, which would be invalid if I turned out to be paranoid or insane, so perhaps we should wait a night to see if either of us can get results or are killed.

You led us on this wild goose chase all for a THINK?? What a &$*#@ Noob. If you're a cop, investigate him tonite, don't come out with crap when you basically know nothing. Sheesh.

IF you are a cop, you've just given scum two nice juicy targets for tonite. Good job noob.

Wow, someone's a total fucking bitch.

wicked, how do you think people get lynched? yes, by some evidence, which is produced by THINKING.

[Skittles!]

It sounds like / has some kind of WC to take out fircola maybe?. I've never heard of anyone being given another person's role AND name AND alignment in their role PM unless they were scum. Sorry, but I'm not buying it... it's WAY too farfetched to be logical.

And the timing of it is just too coincidental.... Ice is close to lynch and here comes / to try to throw us in a completely different direction. [i]Classic scum protecting scum behavior.[/i]

Well then, I guess you're stuck in the days. Mods are producing all kinds of different roles, pm's and the like. I don't think it's too far fetched, also because it's nagerous.

I don't think it's a coincidence at all. Has / been posting before hand? Maybe he didn't know what to do, and so left it, and came back and posted against Fircoal.

Personally, / has a good claim on Fircoal. He's gotten the name of the role (Fircoal has also stated the name is correct), he's gotten the name of the player (Fircoal) and he's gotten the role, whether it be mafia or town cop, it's still a cop. It's not that far fetched because Fircoal has agreed that all these things are true, apart from the mafia cop.

[riggable]

well, there is still the possibility that what Fircoal is saying is true, my role said that I Think Fircoal is scum, which would be invalid if I turned out to be paranoid or insane, so perhaps we should wait a night to see if either of us can get results or are killed.

You led us on this wild goose chase all for a THINK?? What a &$*#@ Noob. If you're a cop, investigate him tonite, don't come out with crap when you basically know nothing. Sheesh.

IF you are a cop, you've just given scum two nice juicy targets for tonite. Good job noob.

Wow, someone's a total fucking bitch.

wicked, how do you think people get lynched? yes, by some evidence, which is produced by THINKING.

No, no, you aren't reading right. "/" character's role description said in it "He thinks that Fircoal is a bad cop"

NOT

"He Knows that Fircoal is a bad cop." Which is what he had Wicked, and quite frankly, me, believing. You don't roleclaim a townie powerrole to oust what you "think" could be a bad cop. Thats just illogical.

[Skittles!]

In the movies... Which I haven't seen, so I'm just guessing here.

He thinks he's a bad cop, yes? Does the guy actually turn out to be a bad cop, or is it not found out?

[/]

well, there is still the possibility that what Fircoal is saying is true, my role said that I Think Fircoal is scum, which would be invalid if I turned out to be paranoid or insane, so perhaps we should wait a night to see if either of us can get results or are killed.

You led us on this wild goose chase all for a THINK?? What a &$*#@ Noob. If you're a cop, investigate him tonite, don't come out with crap when you basically know nothing. Sheesh.

IF you are a cop, you've just given scum two nice juicy targets for tonite. Good job noob.

Wow, someone's a total fucking bitch.

wicked, how do you think people get lynched? yes, by some evidence, which is produced by THINKING.

No, no, you aren't reading right. "/" character's role description said in it "He thinks that Fircoal is a bad cop"

NOT

"He Knows that Fircoal is a bad cop." Which is what he had Wicked, and quite frankly, me, believing. You don't roleclaim a townie powerrole to oust what you "think" could be a bad cop. Thats just illogical.

I still think it's more sensible then waiting to die and never getting the info out, also me investigating Fircoal won't prove anything, if I'm sane then he's scum and I'll get "guilty" on him, if I'm insane he's not guilty and I'll get "Guilty" on him, eoither way it will be the same as what I'm saying now. if he's going to be investigated it will have to be by someone else, or just wait until we get something more conclusive.

also I think I made a mistake when voting
Vote Fircoal just until something can be settled, or there is a better lead.

[Fircoal]

well, there is still the possibility that what Fircoal is saying is true, my role said that I Think Fircoal is scum, which would be invalid if I turned out to be paranoid or insane, so perhaps we should wait a night to see if either of us can get results or are killed.

You led us on this wild goose chase all for a THINK?? What a &$*#@ Noob. If you're a cop, investigate him tonite, don't come out with crap when you basically know nothing. Sheesh.

IF you are a cop, you've just given scum two nice juicy targets for tonite. Good job noob.

Wow, someone's a total fucking bitch.

wicked, how do you think people get lynched? yes, by some evidence, which is produced by THINKING.

No, no, you aren't reading right. "/" character's role description said in it "He thinks that Fircoal is a bad cop"

NOT

"He Knows that Fircoal is a bad cop." Which is what he had Wicked, and quite frankly, me, believing. You don't roleclaim a townie powerrole to oust what you "think" could be a bad cop. Thats just illogical.

I still think it's more sensible then waiting to die and never getting the info out, also me investigating Fircoal won't prove anything, if I'm sane then he's scum and I'll get "guilty" on him, if I'm insane he's not guilty and I'll get "Guilty" on him, eoither way it will be the same as what I'm saying now. if he's going to be investigated it will have to be by someone else, or just wait until we get something more conclusive.

also I think I made a mistake when voting
Vote Fircoal just until something can be settled, or there is a better lead.

/, I think it would have been smarter to let people know later, I mean come on, you aren't sure. I know I'm town, and I don't necessarily think you're scum, just misguided.

[/]

well, there is still the possibility that what Fircoal is saying is true, my role said that I Think Fircoal is scum, which would be invalid if I turned out to be paranoid or insane, so perhaps we should wait a night to see if either of us can get results or are killed.

You led us on this wild goose chase all for a THINK?? What a &$*#@ Noob. If you're a cop, investigate him tonite, don't come out with crap when you basically know nothing. Sheesh.

IF you are a cop, you've just given scum two nice juicy targets for tonite. Good job noob.

Wow, someone's a total fucking bitch.

wicked, how do you think people get lynched? yes, by some evidence, which is produced by THINKING.

No, no, you aren't reading right. "/" character's role description said in it "He thinks that Fircoal is a bad cop"

NOT

"He Knows that Fircoal is a bad cop." Which is what he had Wicked, and quite frankly, me, believing. You don't roleclaim a townie powerrole to oust what you "think" could be a bad cop. Thats just illogical.

I still think it's more sensible then waiting to die and never getting the info out, also me investigating Fircoal won't prove anything, if I'm sane then he's scum and I'll get "guilty" on him, if I'm insane he's not guilty and I'll get "Guilty" on him, eoither way it will be the same as what I'm saying now. if he's going to be investigated it will have to be by someone else, or just wait until we get something more conclusive.

also I think I made a mistake when voting
Vote Fircoal just until something can be settled, or there is a better lead.

/, I think it would have been smarter to let people know later, I mean come on, you aren't sure. I know I'm town, and I don't necessarily think you're scum, just misguided.

well perhaps you are right, we will see, I suppose it is best to have both of us on for now until we can figure out what is going on, after all even a scum cop could be of some use against other factions, but now that everyone knows our roles, it should be obvious if one of us is a traitor. Unvote

[/]

Er... Unvote

[wicked]

Wow, someone's a total fucking bitch.

wicked, how do you think people get lynched? yes, by some evidence, which is produced by THINKING.

1. keep the flames out of here.
2. what exactly are you contributing here?
3. you're obviously skimming if you don't get why people are shaking their heads at this so-called "claim"

[Skittles!]

Sorry wicked, I didn't know calling someone a fucking noob is not a flame hypocrite.

And if you doubt that you flamed..

You led us on this wild goose chase all for a THINK?? What a &$*#@ Noob. If you're a cop, investigate him tonite, don't come out with crap when you basically know nothing. Sheesh.

Sure, you didn't exactly say the word, but it was implied.

[wicked]

I'm not going to sit here and argue the semantics of flaming. Lay off calling people bitches.

Now, back to the game. Do you actully have anything to contribute, or are you posting just to post to get your name out there?

[Skittles!]

Well.. wicked, if you didn't skim, I actually posed a question to see if it would clear fircoal or anything, seeming this game is based off the movies.

In the movies... Which I haven't seen, so I'm just guessing here.

He thinks he's a bad cop, yes? Does the guy actually turn out to be a bad cop, or is it not found out?

Can you answer that?

[CrabNebula]

wicked, apparently you missed that if Fircoal does turn out to be scum then he knows that / is also a cop and possibly a town cop and that would put his life on danger?

On the other hand, however, if Fircoal is a town cop then / maybe a paranoid/insane cop or scum trying to protect icedagger. I have not played with / to know his playing style but it would be stupid on his part if he were scum to come out on Day 1 to protect his buddy. Unless icedagger can make an irrefutable and believable claim that would get both of them lynched.

So in conclusion, yes there are two sides of a coin, so people look at all the possibilities first.

And I guess the best lead apart from Fircoal we have today is icedagger so my vote stays. Riggable, you have still have not answered my question.

[rebelman]

the "think" part of this is bugging me too, that said its interesting that fircoal has confirmed so much of the claim. hmmm

[Neutrino]

While I can definately see the evidence against icedagger, I can't escape the feeling that he might have been onto something when he was questioning AD on page ~25.
Now, I don't mean this as an attack in any way; I just want to explore it further.
Can someone, preferably AD, explain to me why the Corleone family is more than likely town? Without giving too much away, my role is pro-town, (blue text and such) but also most definately not pro-Corleone.
The scene on page one also points out that the Corleone's and the town are definately not the same entity. It isn't exactly much of a stretch of the imagination to think that the town is town...

I can understand AD's point that not all those with the Corleone surname are scum, I would also have imagined that such non-combat/innocent characters wouldn't actually be present in the game. Admittedly, there's the possibility that we might hit a traitor to the Corleone's, but that's fairly remote and is a possibility in most other large games anyway (

[Selin]

While I can definately see the evidence against icedagger, I can't escape the feeling that he might have been onto something when he was questioning AD on page ~25.
Now, I don't mean this as an attack in any way; I just want to explore it further.
Can someone, preferably AD, explain to me why the Corleone family is more than likely town? Without giving too much away, my role is pro-town, (blue text and such) but also most definately not pro-Corleone.
The scene on page one also points out that the Corleone's and the town are definately not the same entity. It isn't exactly much of a stretch of the imagination to think that the town is town...

I can understand AD's point that not all those with the Corleone surname are scum, I would also have imagined that such non-combat/innocent characters wouldn't actually be present in the game. Admittedly, there's the possibility that we might hit a traitor to the Corleone's, but that's fairly remote and is a possibility in most other large games anyway (

1) Carleone family is definitely scum, however there may be some non-scum characters related to carleone family!
2) There are more than one scum family in the trilogy, and also in this game!
3) In the films there were some cops who were working for the scum families. I don't remember if there were also other characters working for the "families".

.

[The1exile]

If he "thinks" fircoal is scum that would be a good enough lead for me. we lynch people for submarining, not contributing etc., yet you wouldn't lynch someone for a strongly implied mod hint that he is scum (or at least, not pro-town)?

[rebelman]

It is August 1945, the war is over and the Corleone family are at the height of their power. Unfortunately, in doing so they have succeeded in entering a bitter street-war with the Barzini family and have made a number of enemies along the way. The entire state is in a complete and utter state of paranoia with no-one trusting each other. In order to crack down on the wave of street crime, the corrupt Senator Pat Geary has proposed a democratic system to lynch whoever the majority of people believe to be the chief cause of the bloodshed that is taking place on the streets. Perhaps if all threats are eliminated then peace can be restored to the city.

ok based on above we have scum family 1 - corleone family

scum family 2 - barzini family (rivals to family 1)

senator pat geary - town character but corrupt

townies - the ones geary is calling on to do the lynching

The corrupt Archbishop Gilday was walking down a dark alleyway when a shadowy figure suddenly came behind him with a rope and choked him resulting in him suffocating and dying. His guts were then slashed. Citizens were shocked by the act of violence that had just taken place. Was it an act of pure malice, or was there motive behind the incident?


Sierra_Leon - Archbishop Gilday (Faith Healer) has been killed!

- this confirms there are townies as he would have been a townie and not part of one of the scum families, it also confirms the corleones are scum as if gilday was town then the corleones couldnt be

In the aftermath of the Archbishop Gilday attack everyone was on edge and in complete and utter shock. Suddenly, everyone heard a gun-shot!!! Where it had come from no-one knew but where it had landed was clear for everyone to see. Jnd94 screamed out in pain and agony... as the bullet had hit him straight in the heart.

Jnd94 - Johnny Ola (Personal Bodyguard) has been killed!

ok here things start to get a little confusing as Johnny Ola could only be the personal bodyguard to Hyman Roth - in these early times Roth was a diligent worker for the corleone family so if his bodyguard is killed and hes town then that implies the corleones are town

my take on it is this both the corleone and barzini failies have a day killer - they obviously know their own family but dont know the others therefore the barzinis took out roth and the corleones took out the archbishop - my problem with this though is timing as in the film he was a friend of the corleones first before becoming an enemy but they were the ones that killed him in the end.

[rebelman]

If he "thinks" fircoal is scum that would be a good enough lead for me. we lynch people for submarining, not contributing etc., yet you wouldn't lynch someone for a strongly implied mod hint that he is scum (or at least, not pro-town)?

hmmmm there could also be a bit of metagaming on, if i recall there was a phase of almost nes like proportions where there was an effort to lynch fircoal on day 1 in all games

[nagerous]

Vote Count:

Exile (1) – Militant
Firth (3)– Spurg, ga7, Selin
Mandy (1) – Fircoal
Gimpy (1/2) – Baby Talapus
Baby Skittles! (1) – Lovo
Rebelman (4) Kernal_Kronic, The1exile, Fircoal, Kalishnikov
Riggable (1) Mandalorian
Nark (1) Tonka,
IceDagger (12) Clive, Serbia, LSU, Gimpy, Iliad, Firth, f1fth, Crab, Diddle, Nark, Wicked, Rebelman
Fircoal (1) IceDagger

With 31 1/2 votes in total it takes 16 for a lynch..

Mandy's vote was in blue and didn't count.