Rolegift Mafia, All Present

[spiesr]

I was about to say, at what point did we decide that I gift the cheese? Between this and comm day 1, people seem to really like starting arguments against me based on made up facts....

So, do you gift the cheese? At this point you are under suspicion and it would be relevant.

[aage]

10 players. Looks like 5 of those people sent their gifts to Safariguy. 5 people didn't.

Let's just assume that scum wouldn't give their gifts to Saf.

1 gift given by Pancakemix to Kwanton. (rope)
1 gift by Naxus? to Skoffin. (paper cup phone)

That leaves 3 others. Stinky cheese, Bandages and Name tags.

I think bandages are obviously town, and it's good that Saf didn't get them because he wouldn't have been able to protect himself. (I think. Not sure how the bandages work but normal docs cant protect themselves.)

The rope was also town as has been proven.

The paper cup phone very much looks town.

That means the stinky cheese and the name tags would have to be scummy. I assume these are not going to be claimed.

Commander9
- Ouija board owner (highly probable)

aage
- does not have the name tags
- was probs targeted for the night kill during night 3

Campin_Killer TA1LGUNN3R

Fircoal
- does not have the bandages or the cheese
- sent his gift to Frenchie during day 1, and frenchie probably received the name tags, so I think Fircoal is the nametag gifter.

Fircoal, who did you send your gift to?

safariguy5
- does not have the library card, Ouija board, glowstick, magifying glass, cake

naxus
- owns the paper cup phones

kwanton
- does not have the ouija board

Haggis_McMutton
not too much info on this guy.

Skoffin
- does not have the magnifying glass

spiesr
also, ??? but I could also be missing things... didn't put too much effort in rereading

Also, if I may make a suggestion, I think it's best to split the town gifts between Saf and me for the next night. If the scum are going to jailkeep anyone, they won't stop all the gifts.

[Haggis_McMutton]

This game continues to be seriously confusing.

spiesr, I didn't get any gifts.

[Fircoal]

Fircoal
- does not have the bandages or the cheese
- sent his gift to Frenchie during day 1, and frenchie probably received the name tags, so I think Fircoal is the nametag gifter.

Fircoal, who did you send your gift to?

I was hoping I'd catch someone lying but that doesn't seem to be happening. My gift is the name tags. Gave them to Frenchie-chan day 1, you day 2, and Pancake day 3. Yet again a n00b tried to use it on themselves and ended up getting killed. I got the bandage last night and used it on Pancake, would have been a nice pick, had he not decided to use my gift on himself. Also how can I not have the cheese besides the fact that I don't have it. I got the rope yesterday not hte cheese if I remember correctly.

[spiesr]

So that means that you have talked to Skoffin at some point since Day 4 started, correct? Any idea why she hasn't posted yet?

aage, can you please answer this? You said that you have talked with Skoffin through the use of the mason item which Skoffin used last night causing her mason up with you.

I know that Safari was not the target of a busdrive because Skoffin told me she tried to use the paper cups on Pancakemix, but it was redirected to me.

You also said that that item let's the pair talk the day and night after it is used.

Day: the gift giver (naxus) decides who he gives the cups to
Night: the gift receiver decides who mason up with
Day and night after: those two can talk
My PM's told me specifically that I could talk with the player that got the gift during the day and night after I received "one end of a paper cup phone".

This would mean that you talked with Skoffin at some point after the start of this day phase. The only problem is that Skoffin hasn't posted at all during this phase. So basically Skoffin would have to have logged in at some point since the day started, sent/replied to a pm with you, and then not posted in this game for some reason. Skoffin's online status is hidden so we can't tell if she actually logged in during this time or not. We can see however that made no posts anywhere during this time and has no games or apparently anything else going on on this site. So if this mafia game is the only reason that she would have to come to this site, why would she come here, log in, pm aage, and then not post when it is day?
Something about this whole thing smells funny, FOS aage until you can come up with some sort of explanation...

[spiesr]

Also how can I not have the cheese besides the fact that I don't have it.

If this statement was true then you sent your gift to ga7 night 1.

Not to mention the fact that prob half of town sent their gift to frenchie

that's what I didzel x3

The only gifts that weren't claimed by anyone for night 1 were: Name Tags, Box of Caramel, and Tickets. The tickets belonged to Squirrel, so that leaves only two possibilities for what your gift could be.

[aage]

So that means that you have talked to Skoffin at some point since Day 4 started, correct? Any idea why she hasn't posted yet?

aage, can you please answer this? You said that you have talked with Skoffin through the use of the mason item which Skoffin used last night causing her mason up with you.

I know that Safari was not the target of a busdrive because Skoffin told me she tried to use the paper cups on Pancakemix, but it was redirected to me.

You also said that that item let's the pair talk the day and night after it is used.

Day: the gift giver (naxus) decides who he gives the cups to
Night: the gift receiver decides who mason up with
Day and night after: those two can talk
My PM's told me specifically that I could talk with the player that got the gift during the day and night after I received "one end of a paper cup phone".

This would mean that you talked with Skoffin at some point after the start of this day phase. The only problem is that Skoffin hasn't posted at all during this phase. So basically Skoffin would have to have logged in at some point since the day started, sent/replied to a pm with you, and then not posted in this game for some reason. Skoffin's online status is hidden so we can't tell if she actually logged in during this time or not. We can see however that made no posts anywhere during this time and has no games or apparently anything else going on on this site. So if this mafia game is the only reason that she would have to come to this site, why would she come here, log in, pm aage, and then not post when it is day?
Something about this whole thing smells funny, FOS aage until you can come up with some sort of explanation...

WTF? You FoS me because Skoffin is not posting?
What kind of broken scam is this? lol :p

I can't read Skoffin's mind? Maybe I also don't know why she is not posting? All I know is that she replied to a pm I sent, where I mentioned that she'd better not say anything before Naxus spoke. Obviously I was referring to the phone. Maybe she took it more literal.

The only gifts that weren't claimed by anyone for night 1 were: Name Tags, Box of Caramel, and Tickets. The tickets belonged to Squirrel, so that leaves only two possibilities for what your gift could be.

Exactly. I suspect name tags.

Also, why are there so many people conveniently sending their gift to dead people and no-one saying anything about it? :s

[Skoffin]

I logged in briefly at night/morning (my time) to have a pm from aage where he asked me a few things and also asked me *not* to claim in here that I was the one who received the mason cups just to see who naxus would claim he gifted to. I replied to his questions and exchanged some though in the PM back to him, however there were barely any posts for the new day in here and had little relevant to say until naxus confirmed who he gave to. I simply opted not to post in here that night figuring I would do so after Naxus did and I had a response from aage.

I'm still not sure what my gift is as there seems to be something funny going on, since I have a mason ability currently and I also believe aage to be town I figure I will make use of it and see if he can help me figure it out. So I will not be revealing info on that at this time unless it becomes necessary.


As for Kwanton, there are two roleblocking powers out there. While it is possible that kwanton blocked safari, if no one claims to have the cheese then, to me, that indicates that the holder of that item was the scum who blocked saf. So either the holder of that item comes forward on having it, as if they were a townie they'd reveal Kwan to be scum, or if they stay hidden then likely they are the scum and Kwan had no play in the blocking. While that would not clear Kwan, it would remove the argument that he blocked saf.

[safariguy5]

So fircoal is claiming the nametags. Based on his bandage targets, (me on Night 2, PCM on Night 3) I'd think that he'd be town. I'm pretty sure the box of caramels would be a scum gift at this point, and I suspect the cheese may be as well. I'm just surprised that nobody has mentioned getting the box of caramels besides me and it hasn't been reflected in the vote counts. I should really go back and take a look at non voting people from the last days. This should give us an idea of who might be town (while discounting the 2nd day as that might be still scum trying to figure out who they are).

[spiesr]

Updated Chart

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So, it looks like the only gift kwanton could have sent to pancake last night would be the cheese or the box of caramel. Either way he has some explaining to do. If he doesn't claim the cheese as his gift, then whomever has it should probably out the person they sent it to.

[kwanton]

Well looks like PCM really screwed me by busdriving himself last night. He could have corroborated my story. Yes I am almost certain I have the cheese. Believe what you want but I really did send it to PCM last night too and I roleblocked naxus. Which means PCM had to have jailkept safari.

[Skoffin]

Cheers for the chart, Spiesr. Although, for clarity sake, you might want to make the chart reflect that I had actually chosen to mason pancake but was given aage instead. This is after all partly how we figured who pancake was busdriven with.

Also, I thought Kwanton claimed a second gift for n1?

[aage]

Well looks like PCM really screwed me by busdriving himself last night. He could have corroborated my story. Yes I am almost certain I have the cheese. Believe what you want but I really did send it to PCM last night too and I roleblocked naxus. Which means PCM had to have jailkept safari.

Why would he again? We all knew Saf was going to get a hell lot of gifts...

[spiesr]

Okay so now we are back where we were before, but this time kwanton has actually claimed to have sent the cheese to pancake. As for why safariguy was blocked last night we are left with the following possibilities.
1. pancakemix used the cheese on safariguy either becuase he was for some reason suspicious of him, or he wanted to use it to prevent safariguy from being killed and didn't anticipate safariguy receiving all the powers.
2. kwanton lied about blocking naxus and instead blocked safariguy.
3. kwanton lied about sending the cheese to pancakemix and instead sent it to a scummate who used it to block safariguy.

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The One and Only Vote Count

Kwanton; 1 vote: aage

10 alive, 6 to lynch

[safariguy5]

Okay so now we are back where we were before, but this time kwanton has actually claimed to have sent the cheese to pancake. As for why safariguy was blocked last night we are left with the following possibilities.
1. pancakemix used the cheese on safariguy either becuase he was for some reason suspicious of him, or he wanted to use it to prevent safariguy from being killed and didn't anticipate safariguy receiving all the powers.
2. kwanton lied about blocking naxus and instead blocked safariguy.
3. kwanton lied about sending the cheese to pancakemix and instead sent it to a scummate who used it to block safariguy.

Out of these three possibilities, two of them would indicate scum. The odds are good enough for me to think that kwan would be a good lynch target. I really have a hard time believing town has two roleblocker roles, especially since PCM turned up town on the roleblocker.

vote kwanton

[kwanton]

Well looks like PCM really screwed me by busdriving himself last night. He could have corroborated my story. Yes I am almost certain I have the cheese. Believe what you want but I really did send it to PCM last night too and I roleblocked naxus. Which means PCM had to have jailkept safari.

Why would he again? We all knew Saf was going to get a hell lot of gifts...

You misunderstand. That was not a defense. In fact I offer no defense. I am not even going to begin to guess why PCM decided to jailkeep safari last night (or busdrive himself). I am saying that's what really happened last night and I know that because I know what I did last night. I have no way to convince you guys thats what happened tho until night actions are posted at the end tho.

I'd also like to point out that gifts probably aren't as role-related as you think. Mafia commuter gifter? Convenient to ignore that.

So apparently PCM would block safari and roles don't have anything to do with alignment which goes against 2 of aage's main points. Looks like faulty logic leads to a good lynch again

good game town. it was fun.

Also, PCM won it for u guys when he killed himself with the busdrive lol. I could have convinced him I was town and aage would be dead lol.

[Skoffin]

Damn, did you have to give up? Takes a little bit of the sparkle out of it
My own role shenanigans and discussions with aage lead me to the conclusion that you were a scummy, but all that's moot now. Will be fun to see the end results (and to see what the hell exactly you guys did to my role)
vote kwanton

[Fircoal]

Well I think it's obvious that Aage is town and Kwan is mafia. Vote: Kwan

[spiesr]

Well, Vote kwanton. Is there anything else that we need to talk about before we end the day?

[safariguy5]

Don't forget to send your gifts in. You know who to watch/protect.

[kwanton]

Yeah. Sorry skoff but like in chess, you always tip your king if you know you're going to lose. Sign of respect to a well-played game. GG guys.

I had the perfect plan too sending my gift to PCM lol. You'll see when night actions are posted after my lynch lol.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Well that's a freebie.

Hey guys I would hammer, but I got the caramels last night, so I can't vote. Good catch aage.

-Tails

[Haggis_McMutton]

vote kwanton

[naxus]

vote kwanton