CLUE Mafia- Mafia Win!!!! MVP- Rodion

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, question:

Let`s say lalaland had Victor`s card and it said cult. Why would she not use that as a bargaining chip for her life? You guys can go ahead with a Victor lynch if you want.

@Shield: I doubt Rodion is mafia, but he could easily be an SK. That could help explain not only why there are so many kills, but also why he is actively scumhunting with us.

[Victor Sullivan]

You guys seriously don't get it... Not only am I not the recruiter as I've been trying to prove to you, the recruiter is of little to no threat to the town. If got tonkaed just rejected it, why can't we all? Problem solved, crisis averted. Seriously...

-Sully

[edocsil]

Edocsil, I also have a question for you: if Mr. Boddy is anti-town (as in "guilty" from a cellar card), why did you expect him to come forward and claim his name? You say you wanted to delay your claim just to get Mr. Boddy, but if he really is anti-town he was not expected to claim to begin with, and if he didn't claim you wouldn't be able to get him, so, for now, I'm not buying your story.

I assumed he would claim 3rd party, and I also think he isn't guilt on a cellar card (like a godfather) Also, if I was Boddy I would keep my claim as close to the truth as possible, it makes the lies easier if your fake is as close as possible to the truth.

[targetman377]

Ok, sorry about that I have been working the past few days. And also been real busy sorry Hanging out with my brother!


my investigation found that Madame Rose to be Guilty

one of the nights i did the study and found mr greens prints all over the place!

and the candle stick I found Ms. Ho’s, Miss Peach and Debra Hill’s. fingerprints on it

i am still rereading the thread as to find my top 3 of suspected criminals

[Rodion]

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We now got 13 cards (8 innocents and 5 guilties if we take all alegations at face value). With 3 deceased townies and scum having their own agenda, I doubt we're getting many more.

I see we have 6 players alive that didn't contribute with cards. They are Yoshi, Shield, Shm, Ben, Mass Miracle and Gimli.

Yoshi and Shield were pretty straightforward in telling us they investigated N0 instead of taking cards.

Shm is already suspicious.

Ben was cleared by Fifth. I strongly believe him to be town. However, check this out.

All very interesting and confusing for a newbie. So let me pose a question to the more experienced. I understand so far I think that I should not reveal my character until challenged. But what if I were not a colour character? But some sort of other role as a town person. What then, keep it quiet still or put it out there to be tested.
I did not get a card last night. I asked but nothing so far.

This was written on D1 and he was referring to N0, back when there were cards for everyone. I would think that asking for a card means he got one. Please, clarify this, Ben. Check your inbox. The more cards, the merrier.

That leaves us Gimli (Mrs. White) and Mass Miracle (Debra Hill). I checked all their posts in D1 and, unlike Yoshi and Shield, they never told us they had made an investigation instead of taking a card. Now, when we need the cards to confirm things we suddenly find out that they never took a card. I'm not sure I buy that.

Also, Edoc, Fifth: can you please tell us the number of both of your cards (N0 and N1 cards)? I have a theory that I'd like to verify.

[gimli1990]

alright sorry about not posting in a day or 2 i had a little brother that was born at 12:41 AM today so i have been busy and on that.

on the note that Rodian just said i do not have a card i am not sure if there is a way for me to prove that.

and my top 3 for scum i may be new but if scully was a recruiter why can Got tonka decline it. if that is possible i think we should wait on him.

1. SHM78 ( because it looks like Ben identified more about the charactor then SHM78 could)

2. target ( the weak claim of cook seems out of place)

3. i am unsure who to put as my 3rd Edoc might be one possiability.

and by the way i did post my N1 investigations

i investigted the rope nothing and

the kitchen i saw David Bill eating doughnuts and he shove's something into his pocket and i also notive there is still quite a mess from the party the night before

[Victor Sullivan]

Congrats, gimli on your new brother! This makes what, 7?

-Sully

[shieldgenerator7]

alright sorry about not posting in a day or 2 i had a little brother that was born at 12:41 AM today so i have been busy and on that.

on the note that Rodian just said i do not have a card i am not sure if there is a way for me to prove that.

and my top 3 for scum i may be new but if scully was a recruiter why can Got tonka decline it. if that is possible i think we should wait on him.

1. SHM78 ( because it looks like Ben identified more about the charactor then SHM78 could)

2. target ( the weak claim of cook seems out of place)

3. i am unsure who to put as my 3rd Edoc might be one possiability.

and by the way i did post my N1 investigations

i investigted the rope nothing and

the kitchen i saw David Bill eating doughnuts and he shove's something into his pocket and i also notive there is still quite a mess from the party the night before

congrats, gimli!
"scully" ha ha scum + sully = scully!

[VioIet]

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Freezie (1) - Dazey
Victor (4)- tonka, safari, target, shm
Tonka (2) - Doomyoshi, Victor
Shm (1) - f1fth,

With 16 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

[ben.cleuch]

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We now got 13 cards (8 innocents and 5 guilties if we take all alegations at face value). With 3 deceased townies and scum having their own agenda, I doubt we're getting many more.

I see we have 6 players alive that didn't contribute with cards. They are Yoshi, Shield, Shm, Ben, Mass Miracle and Gimli.

Yoshi and Shield were pretty straightforward in telling us they investigated N0 instead of taking cards.

Shm is already suspicious.

Ben was cleared by Fifth. I strongly believe him to be town. However, check this out.

All very interesting and confusing for a newbie. So let me pose a question to the more experienced. I understand so far I think that I should not reveal my character until challenged. But what if I were not a colour character? But some sort of other role as a town person. What then, keep it quiet still or put it out there to be tested.
I did not get a card last night. I asked but nothing so far.

This was written on D1 and he was referring to N0, back when there were cards for everyone. I would think that asking for a card means he got one. Please, clarify this, Ben. Check your inbox. The more cards, the merrier.

That leaves us Gimli (Mrs. White) and Mass Miracle (Debra Hill). I checked all their posts in D1 and, unlike Yoshi and Shield, they never told us they had made an investigation instead of taking a card. Now, when we need the cards to confirm things we suddenly find out that they never took a card. I'm not sure I buy that.

Also, Edoc, Fifth: can you please tell us the number of both of your cards (N0 and N1 cards)? I have a theory that I'd like to verify.

Fair questions. On night 0 I pm'd violet for a cellar card. I got nothing so asked talapus also. I got replies to the effect of that | was not to late but did not get a card.
On night 1 I investigated the library Nothing and the rope nothing. I have said this before in previous posts, but like this one quoting the question and giving my reply.
So should I when asked post the answer in a new post so it does not get missed?
Also I have pm's from the mods about my role I am the stranded motorist I am town
ben

[dazerazer]

Personal opinion.... Yall need to seriously reconsider offing Victor. 1. I really dont think he's a problem and he has been trying to convince yall of that for a minute. 2. He actually plays this darn game, contributes a lot and if he IS NOT guilty, we will lose all the valuable information he brings to this game. If he IS guilty then I am sure he will talk his way into a corner at some point. The fact that he has said everything he has and still has not tripped up should say something but Im just sayin this games gunna get a bit boring without him. Worry about someone else for now and if he is guilty Im sure it will come out with as much as he says. ALSO! MIGHT I PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO LYNCH HIM ARE THE VERY PEOPLE WE ARE ALL SUSPICIOUS OF! I think they all just sealed their fates personally. Tonka, Safari, Target and shm.... all want him out. Hmmmm

UNVOTE FREEZIE VOTE TONKA

and fifth I agree with you on shm but for the sake of getting one of the bad guys out, I would suggest you change your vote to the same. Just a suggestion though.

[edocsil]

Personal opinion.... Yall need to seriously reconsider offing Victor. 1. I really dont think he's a problem and he has been trying to convince yall of that for a minute. 2. He actually plays this darn game, contributes a lot and if he IS NOT guilty, we will lose all the valuable information he brings to this game. If he IS guilty then I am sure he will talk his way into a corner at some point. The fact that he has said everything he has and still has not tripped up should say something but Im just sayin this games gunna get a bit boring without him. Worry about someone else for now and if he is guilty Im sure it will come out with as much as he says. ALSO! MIGHT I PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO LYNCH HIM ARE THE VERY PEOPLE WE ARE ALL SUSPICIOUS OF! I think they all just sealed their fates personally. Tonka, Safari, Target and shm.... all want him out. Hmmmm

UNVOTE FREEZIE VOTE TONKA

and fifth I agree with you on shm but for the sake of getting one of the bad guys out, I would suggest you change your vote to the same. Just a suggestion though.

Good points in there. If he is some sort of recruiter (personally I suspect that he is a masson recruiter, but I have no idea for certain) there is no point in laying into him now. We just need the rest of the cards and actions and then we can be on our way.

[safariguy5]

Personal opinion.... Yall need to seriously reconsider offing Victor. 1. I really dont think he's a problem and he has been trying to convince yall of that for a minute. 2. He actually plays this darn game, contributes a lot and if he IS NOT guilty, we will lose all the valuable information he brings to this game. If he IS guilty then I am sure he will talk his way into a corner at some point. The fact that he has said everything he has and still has not tripped up should say something but Im just sayin this games gunna get a bit boring without him. Worry about someone else for now and if he is guilty Im sure it will come out with as much as he says. ALSO! MIGHT I PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO LYNCH HIM ARE THE VERY PEOPLE WE ARE ALL SUSPICIOUS OF! I think they all just sealed their fates personally. Tonka, Safari, Target and shm.... all want him out. Hmmmm

UNVOTE FREEZIE VOTE TONKA

and fifth I agree with you on shm but for the sake of getting one of the bad guys out, I would suggest you change your vote to the same. Just a suggestion though.

Good points in there. If he is some sort of recruiter (personally I suspect that he is a masson recruiter, but I have no idea for certain) there is no point in laying into him now. We just need the rest of the cards and actions and then we can be on our way.

Nobody's suspicious of me, I've been cleared by the cellar cards. If we do have a recruiter, I want it taken care of ASAP so it doesn't become a problem later (TeamCC, POTC mafia).

[edocsil]

Yeah, but GT turned him down. This cannot be a regular old cult. No one will side with him now that he is out in the open.

[DoomYoshi]

Saf, this is not a simple case of follow the cop. Victor is a cleared by cellar card townie, just like you are. The source of GT's information is shoddy at best. Separate from the case on VS, GT has dropped scumtells.

[safariguy5]

So the scumtells of GT are accusing Victor of being a recruiter and having a shoddy claim? I hope there's more than that because that's not enough to lynch for me. Now certainly if Sully comes up as town, then by all means hang GT, but I'm more concerned about the possibility of VS being recruiter than I am about the possibility that GT is scum. We know there's more than 1 mafia out there, we're going to have more NK's for sure. But if we can eliminate cult early, then we won't have to worry about them later.

[Rodion]

We need Tonka to reveal more of his PM (check my model 1 and model 2 post). It is possible, after all, that someone with the power to send a night message (through the mods) decided to frame Victor AND Tonka (Tonka's the obvious D3 lynch if Victor flips town).

I do think that killing Victor is a good bet because we already have a good grasp on guilty people and the risk of 1 mislynch seems worthy when you consider we can kill a cult recruiter (see Team CC mafia). The fact that Tonka could refuse doesn't mean everyone else can (we don't know the setup). And the fact that people can refuse doesn't mean they will (when Edocsil said they would never accept the invitation anymore he just opened a WIFOM door for people to accept it).

However, until GT/Tonka gives more information, there's not much I'm willing to do. Out of principle, I'm against getting Victor lynched before Tonka reveals more: I've been asking questions and I'm not satisfied with the answers he provided. Tonka says he's afraid to disclose much because he can get modkilled, but he could easily PM the mods with his intended post to make sure it's in compliance with the rules.

We need more information and I'll Vote Tonka for pressure, even though he's behind Shm in my "most likely scum" list and behind Victor in my "biggest threat to town if accusations are truthful" list.

[DoomYoshi]

So the scumtells of GT are accusing Victor of being a recruiter and having a shoddy claim? I hope there's more than that because that's not enough to lynch for me. Now certainly if Sully comes up as town, then by all means hang GT, but I'm more concerned about the possibility of VS being recruiter than I am about the possibility that GT is scum. We know there's more than 1 mafia out there, we're going to have more NK's for sure. But if we can eliminate cult early, then we won't have to worry about them later.

Now you weren't here for when we were trying to get a claim out of him. He was very flippant about even the fact that he had to claim, and then delayed it as long as possible. I am sure that if GT had his way, then VS would have been lynched before there was a claim there. There is nothing in any of the scenes to suggest cult recruitment. Depending on what line was used, there is nothing in GT's pm that actually indicates cult recruitment.

GT started with an accusation (VS is cult recruiter) and then explained it (pm). Town would get a pm (with some hint of recruitment) and then try to figure out what it meant (including other options). Now, in a normal situation, this would make no sense for scum to smear somebody this early. However, the mafia must have realized by now that with our massclaiming and everything that we have a good chance of getting them. So they needed to try a desperate move - so the fact that it doesn't make sense as a scum move on GT's part does not count it out in this case.

Furthermore, even if the cult can be a big problem, we can hold off more day on dealing with it. I am not saying we never lynch VS. I am just saying that hitting Tonka makes so much more sense in this case. Tonka's actions would also make sense if he was a lyncher trying to win, or a Jester hoping for a day 3 win, or so many other cases.

[safariguy5]

Fair enough I guess, I'm willing to pursue GT now and either clear or implicate Victor later depending on the results.

unvote vote got tonkaed

Still keeping an eye on Victor though.

[gimli1990]

i agree with everyone else here there is no evidence of a cult at all in this game.

Vote Tonka

one thought though that this message was sent to confuse us and this is just a mafia scheme to draw our attention elsewhere? if so then we should lynch one of the known mafia and get more info.

i will keep my vote where it is waiting on the response from Tonka and other players opinions.

[freezie]

I have read everything and, yea, GT as a lynch makes sense.

However, if I recall right, Victor was cleared by out only dead mafia guy ( or in this case, gal ) right?

So on that basis we shouldn't call Victor cleared by any means.

Second.......we had n0 and n1, n0 beeing for investigations...I quite doubt that a cult has a place in this setup, however that is speculation.


Unvote ( doubt I vote but oh well ]

Vote: GT

However, whatever GT turn as, we should NOT call victor cleared. I won't stress that point enough.

[Rodion]

Unvote.

[DoomYoshi]

I have read everything and, yea, GT as a lynch makes sense.

However, if I recall right, Victor was cleared by out only dead mafia guy ( or in this case, gal ) right?

So on that basis we shouldn't call Victor cleared by any means.

Second.......we had n0 and n1, n0 beeing for investigations...I quite doubt that a cult has a place in this setup, however that is speculation.


Unvote ( doubt I vote but oh well ]

Vote: GT

However, whatever GT turn as, we should NOT call victor cleared. I won't stress that point enough.

Fair enough. If we have a vig or an SK willing to play along, VS is a good night kill in either case, unless GT is the cult recruiter or some crazy twist like that.

[Rodion]

You morons!

In case it was not clear, my intention when I voted GT was to pressure him into telling more about the alleged recruitment PM. My intention was NOT to have Gimli send him to L-2 and Freezie leaving him on L-1 46 minutes later just so he could be hammered by someone scummy like Shm or Target before we collectively decide we have extracted all information we could during the day phase (granted, Tonka getting speedhammered would be a fitting end to him considering he did exactly that on D1, but that would only harm the town more).

He's back to L-2 after I unvoted. I hope nobody crosses that bridge again until we hear from GT himself.

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I find the number of us that supposedly asked for no card suspect, I am curious, how many of you all requested a card on night one, last night that is