Get Rich from the Bank [5/12] Town Wins!

[Iron Butterfly]

We haven't really discussed night 2 - aside from the mod kill, TWO other people were killed - do we have two mafia killers? One mafia killer and one "other" killer, either town or third party? Is it important that we try to figure this out?

It is very important.

For me the problem is how deuce was resurected AND someone was nightkilled.

Is duece self resurecting and we have a nafia role loose?

was he resurected by a third party AND we have a mafia role?

[Leitz]

We haven't really discussed night 2 - aside from the mod kill, TWO other people were killed - do we have two mafia killers? One mafia killer and one "other" killer, either town or third party? Is it important that we try to figure this out?

It seems unlikely that there would be two mafia killers. That would mean they'd be killing themselves which I highly doubt! Unless somebody got busdriven? So that leaves us one mafia and a town/third party player. I tend to think it is a town player as there has already been a third party player killed. Would there be more than one third party player in a small game like this?

[Iron Butterfly]

Lol, I forgot that Rodion was the one who asked Zimmah about his investigation. I don't know that I would trust what Zimmah said though. I remember thinking when I first read that comment, before the mod kill and everything else that happened, why should we believe him? Zimmah went out in a blaze of.... something, but it wasn't glory. He was pissed at town and made a ridiculous claim because he didn't think town was smart enough to reason for itself if he had been honest. I do not believe we should think he was honest about his investigation.

Now, I'm not saying that at this point I believe Leitz is mafia, I just don't believe that Zimmah told the truth about his investigation. And honestly, these thoughts are not a knee-jerk reaction to Leitz saying he is suspicious of me. I'm not questioning his suspicion (though I'd like to hear more about why he thinks I'm mafia), I'm questioning the validity of Zimmah's investigation report.

Then behind the counter, someone had hidden themselves in the cabinets and waited until his target passed by him. Once he had seen him slip by he crept out and stalked him to the bathroom. Where he finally confronted him, and before the victim could explain himself he had a knife between his ribs.

Jonty125 “Manipulator” Mafia Vote Stealer has been killed

I want to know who killed Jonty. I know the poisoner is dead, so it wasn't him. Is this something that Wife Ginger could have done as payback after Mafia killed PCM (assuming it was actually mafia that completed that death)? I don't think she was revived until the end of the night though. So do we have another third party killer in addition to the poisoner role? Who is it that carries a knife and doesn't allow his victim to explain himself? And most mysteriously of all..... why the bathroom...!!! (Insert big scary movie dissonant music chords here)

Keep in mind that scene discription is used to add flavor and thats it.
Charachter motivation is meaningless. Mafia need to kill town to win. Third parties need to kill everyone else to meet their win condition.
How it is done is not important. IE "the psycho clown killed the victime with his rubber chicken next to the bowling ally"
What is important is understanding what the role is and how it works.
Keep it simple.

[Leitz]

MoB has been quiet too since he jumped on the sundog bandwagon..

[Iron Butterfly]

agreed

[MoB Deadly]

Sorry - Ill make a post tonight or tomorrow.

[Iron Butterfly]

LOL...somthing I forgot to point out.

maximum bandit turned out to be "John Doe" Vanilla Townie.
My claim was "Maggie Silver" Vanilla Townie.

I beleive someone pointed out earlier that when I claimed my role I used a name while everyone else who was revealed as Town (power roles) did not have a name. While the power roles for town did not have nams the VTs did.

The pressing problem for me is how many bad guys are left?

I copied this from Wiki.

Use and Power:

Balancing Mafia games is an art unto itself. However, in general a Mafia should make up about 20% to 25% of your initial population of players. The number of total scum in the game CAN go up to 33% of the total players if the Town is particularly strong, but this 33% usually does not come from one faction.

Generally, a faction is stronger when it has more members. This is why six-person Mafia teams are not at all common

3 mafia would be 25% of Population.
Poisoner/survivor combined with mafia would be more then 33% for game balance..however that is offset by the duo being connected. You kill one and the other dies.

At the start of the game there were 5 people vs 7 town,

we have 2 confirmed dead mafia plus the lovers=4 we have still out there 1 more.

Last night 2 people where killed and one was revived.

I do not beleive that we have a player who revived deuce, and a player who killed maximum bandit. 50% of the populatin is a combo of mafia and third parties? Plus Town has two Vanilla Townies? Thats crazy.

I think Deuce revived himself and is either a VT or a survivor and we have either a lone third party or a lone mafia left.

The question left is minus Deuce. Which of the 5 of us left is the killer?

if 4 of us are left what roles are left. Sadly I have no powers so the 3 remaining may all have some. there is definately a Dr role. There is also a role that can nightkill, which could be a CPR doc. Or we have a doc and a Joat. Doc and a tracker watcher vig perhaps

LOL and dont forget maybe we have a busdriver.

I hope the numbers make sense. This post was to show why I beleive we are looking for one more killer and not 2 and perhaps understand what we have on our side.

[Leitz]

I think Deuce revived himself and is either a VT or a survivor and we have either a lone third party or a lone mafia left.

I agree with this, although I'm more keen to believe it is a lone mafia.

[Iron Butterfly]

Perhaps now would be a good timen for the Doc to declare so as to narrow the field down?

there would not be 2 docs in game.

If we do this smart we can get the killer through process of elimination.

[Leitz]

I'm curious as what MoB will bring up as case later on (he said yesterday or today)!

[MoB Deadly]

Theres no deadline, can I have another day please? If you guys demand I will post today, but Im tired of mafia after defending myself in General's mafia, and wrapping up Interesting mafia, and modding a clan mafia.

[MoB Deadly]

Nevermind, it cant be that much to read... Ill work on it now..

[MoB Deadly]

Last night 2 people where killed and one was revived.

I do not beleive that we have a player who revived deuce, and a player who killed maximum bandit. 50% of the populatin is a combo of mafia and third parties? Plus Town has two Vanilla Townies? Thats crazy.

I think Deuce revived himself and is either a VT or a survivor and we have either a lone third party or a lone mafia left.

The question left is minus Deuce. Which of the 5 of us left is the killer?

if 4 of us are left what roles are left. Sadly I have no powers so the 3 remaining may all have some.

This is the biggest problem I have wrapping my head around this game. The numbers frankly do not add up at all. IB says he has no powers, and I will say I have no powers at all, so something is definitely very wrong here. I almost want to suggest a mass claim.

Whats also not adding up are the characters in the game. There are a lot of names in the game, and my role does not have a name, I am a "type of worker" in the bank. I think someone else claimed that too but I dont know at the top of my head.

I definitely need another day to figure out all these deaths and revive all in one night.

[Iron Butterfly]

Last night 2 people where killed and one was revived.

I do not beleive that we have a player who revived deuce, and a player who killed maximum bandit. 50% of the populatin is a combo of mafia and third parties? Plus Town has two Vanilla Townies? Thats crazy.

I think Deuce revived himself and is either a VT or a survivor and we have either a lone third party or a lone mafia left.

The question left is minus Deuce. Which of the 5 of us left is the killer?

if 4 of us are left what roles are left. Sadly I have no powers so the 3 remaining may all have some.

This is the biggest problem I have wrapping my head around this game. The numbers frankly do not add up at all. IB says he has no powers, and I will say I have no powers at all, so something is definitely very wrong here. I almost want to suggest a mass claim.

Whats also not adding up are the characters in the game. There are a lot of names in the game, and my role does not have a name, I am a "type of worker" in the bank. I think someone else claimed that too but I dont know at the top of my head.

I definitely need another day to figure out all these deaths and revive all in one night.

I cant imagine playing so many Mafia games and modding a game as well, which is why I give myself a 3 game max. I have at times thought I posted in a game that i was the wrong game I meant to post in.

[catnipdreams]

I've been prodded (ouch!), and I will try to post some constructive thoughts within a day... I'm not sure if it's newness to mafia games, or if this game is somehow more complicated than normal, but I am having a difficult time figuring out anything... One thing though, I want to see paragraphs, several paragraphs, from folks who haven't posted much, or I'm going to get FOSish for submarining (I think I used that term correctly?)

[Sundog308]

Prodded as well. I'll carve out some time on my lunch break tomorrow, or if necessary, tomorrow night. I will also be posting my vote tomorrow, although I'm still flip-flopping between multiple individuals. Hopefully once more through the last ten pages will help clarify my thoughts.

[Leitz]

Theres no deadline, can I have another day please? If you guys demand I will post today, but Im tired of mafia after defending myself in General's mafia, and wrapping up Interesting mafia, and modding a clan mafia.

Personal life is always more important than CC/Mafia! If you had posted it a day later I certainly wouldn't have mind, its normal that sometimes you have other stuff to do. I was curious but that does not mean I'm going to blame you if the post is delayed.

I've been prodded (ouch!), and I will try to post some constructive thoughts within a day... I'm not sure if it's newness to mafia games, or if this game is somehow more complicated than normal, but I am having a difficult time figuring out anything... One thing though, I want to see paragraphs, several paragraphs, from folks who haven't posted much, or I'm going to get FOSish for submarining (I think I used that term correctly?)

I believe that is the correct use, yes.

Prodded as well. I'll carve out some time on my lunch break tomorrow, or if necessary, tomorrow night. I will also be posting my vote tomorrow, although I'm still flip-flopping between multiple individuals. Hopefully once more through the last ten pages will help clarify my thoughts.

Good to see everybody is back and willing to post! Nice prodding sniper

[MoB Deadly]

Should we suggest a mass claim at this point of the game?

[eagleblade]

LOL...somthing I forgot to point out.

maximum bandit turned out to be "John Doe" Vanilla Townie.
My claim was "Maggie Silver" Vanilla Townie.

I beleive someone pointed out earlier that when I claimed my role I used a name while everyone else who was revealed as Town (power roles) did not have a name. While the power roles for town did not have nams the VTs did.

The pressing problem for me is how many bad guys are left?

I copied this from Wiki.

Use and Power:

Balancing Mafia games is an art unto itself. However, in general a Mafia should make up about 20% to 25% of your initial population of players. The number of total scum in the game CAN go up to 33% of the total players if the Town is particularly strong, but this 33% usually does not come from one faction.

Generally, a faction is stronger when it has more members. This is why six-person Mafia teams are not at all common

3 mafia would be 25% of Population.
Poisoner/survivor combined with mafia would be more then 33% for game balance..however that is offset by the duo being connected. You kill one and the other dies.

At the start of the game there were 5 people vs 7 town,

we have 2 confirmed dead mafia plus the lovers=4 we have still out there 1 more.

Last night 2 people where killed and one was revived.

I do not beleive that we have a player who revived deuce, and a player who killed maximum bandit. 50% of the populatin is a combo of mafia and third parties? Plus Town has two Vanilla Townies? Thats crazy.

I think Deuce revived himself and is either a VT or a survivor and we have either a lone third party or a lone mafia left.

The question left is minus Deuce. Which of the 5 of us left is the killer?

if 4 of us are left what roles are left. Sadly I have no powers so the 3 remaining may all have some. there is definately a Dr role. There is also a role that can nightkill, which could be a CPR doc. Or we have a doc and a Joat. Doc and a tracker watcher vig perhaps

LOL and dont forget maybe we have a busdriver.

I hope the numbers make sense. This post was to show why I beleive we are looking for one more killer and not 2 and perhaps understand what we have on our side.

you sound too innocent I think your mafia

[eagleblade]

MOB DEADLY REVIVED Dueceswild222 cause they are good friends
Dueceswild222 role is obvious

[MoB Deadly]

Eagle. You are dead, you need to stop. If I was the reviver I would have claimed it to clear myself. I have never seen players act so out of line in a game before. This is a game and you are ruining it.

[Leitz]

Should we suggest a mass claim at this point of the game?

I think I prefer pressuring one person and determine by their defense if they are telling the truth or not.. That's why I voted sundog earlier in D2.

@ Eagle, what are you trying to achieve?

[Iron Butterfly]

Hold the phones here, folks! In fact, everyone unvote right this minute - there's one big problem.

I work in a bank in real life. skillfusniper33 wrote "with the bankers doing everything possible to make their customers happy." What kind of fantasy land is this taking place in!? You expect me to believe this is not a profit-first instittuion!? Shenanigans!

vote skillfusniper33. What better way to disguise yourself as "not mafia" than by pretending to be the mod!

Your days are numbered, sir! This bandwagon just started rollin' and it ain't gon stop! Oh no, son!

This is as close we get to anyone mentioning bank roles. Max was making a joke.

Mob now claimes he has no powers but has a "bank worker name"

If anyone has to claim at the moment I would prefer it to be Mob. He said he has no powers so why not just make the claim?

FOS MOB

[skillfusniper33]

Eagle you need to stop contributing to the game. Keep your thoughts to yourself until the game is over

[eagleblade]

sorry my other 2 mafia games are boring me lol