JK9++ ENDGAME Mafia Wins

[Iron Butterfly]

They also opted not to kill jonty and managed to kill pcm. They decided to risk being caught by a tracker? Why would they not just kill jonty? It tells me they used their one shot knowing they would be safe for the night.

Which also all but guarantees jonty will be killed tonight.

[trinicardinal]

like I said. no one knew, especially the scum busdriver, that there was a tracker on night 2. why use a one shot role before power roles would be revealed? that makes no sense. the only moment when it would've made sense to use the busdriver ability, is on night 3 when you were checked. this result has far more chances of being bogus than vio's on night 2. What would you do if you had a one shot busdriver ability, mostly if you were the only scum left? use it stupidly on night 2? night 3 is just the perfect crime! the scum kills the doc, hopes the tracker goes after him so he is cleared, next night he kills the tracker and in the eyes of town he has already been cleared. couldn't work better! I'm not sure about this, but you have to admit it is a very likely scenario, or not????

They also opted not to kill jonty and managed to kill pcm. They decided to risk being caught by a tracker? Why would they not just kill jonty? It tells me they used their one shot knowing they would be safe for the night.

seems to me like you're saying the same thing as betiko... the busdrive was used last night. Am I understanding that correctly? Or did I miss something somewhere?

[betiko]

They also opted not to kill jonty and managed to kill pcm. They decided to risk being caught by a tracker? Why would they not just kill jonty? It tells me they used their one shot knowing they would be safe for the night.

it was obvious that mafia had to do that. even if there was some wifom there, jonty's life was more important than pancake's last night as he would come back with a result. pancake did what he had to do, the mob did what he had to do. also if you are the one, jonty visiting you was the best thing that could've happened to you.

can we prod sam, cause i don't like him possibly scumarining, he's one of the main suspects and there is no reason that he doesnt even get interrogated.

damn i'm really curious to know what's going on here, trini, if it's really you, you are damn good at spinning my head around. also, iron blindly followed the bandwagon on you... i know that vio did it too, but i don't know, iron was a l-1...

[Iron Butterfly]

They also opted not to kill jonty and managed to kill pcm. They decided to risk being caught by a tracker? Why would they not just kill jonty? It tells me they used their one shot knowing they would be safe for the night.

it was obvious that mafia had to do that. even if there was some wifom there, jonty's life was more important than pancake's last night as he would come back with a result. pancake did what he had to do, the mob did what he had to do. also if you are the one, jonty visiting you was the best thing that could've happened to you.

can we prod sam, cause i don't like him possibly scumarining, he's one of the main suspects and there is no reason that he doesnt even get interrogated.

damn i'm really curious to know what's going on here, trini, if it's really you, you are damn good at spinning my head around. also, iron blindly followed the bandwagon on you... i know that vio did it too, but i don't know, iron was a l-1...

Im curious why you seem to act as if you are above suspicion. You act like its a foregone conclusion that we should believe you. Sadly the fact of the matter is that it is now a guessing game without any other PRs.

[betiko]

They also opted not to kill jonty and managed to kill pcm. They decided to risk being caught by a tracker? Why would they not just kill jonty? It tells me they used their one shot knowing they would be safe for the night.

it was obvious that mafia had to do that. even if there was some wifom there, jonty's life was more important than pancake's last night as he would come back with a result. pancake did what he had to do, the mob did what he had to do. also if you are the one, jonty visiting you was the best thing that could've happened to you.

can we prod sam, cause i don't like him possibly scumarining, he's one of the main suspects and there is no reason that he doesnt even get interrogated.

damn i'm really curious to know what's going on here, trini, if it's really you, you are damn good at spinning my head around. also, iron blindly followed the bandwagon on you... i know that vio did it too, but i don't know, iron was a l-1...

Im curious why you seem to act as if you are above suspicion. You act like its a foregone conclusion that we should believe you. Sadly the fact of the matter is that it is now a guessing game without any other PRs.

if i thought i was above suspicions i wouldn't put me in the uncleared list when i do lists. the thing is that i first thought you were cleared; but trini has a good point. wether he is messing with me or not, that scenario is very likely and you are not on the cleared list anymore. i hope you agree with that.

[trinicardinal]

ok so IB has not answered my question so I'm going to take that as a sign that he does not disagree with it (especially since he took time to raise his issues with betiko).

Therefore we should be fairly well agreed on the following:

1) jonty is tracker and is town (I don't think this was an issue anywhere)
2) jonty tracked CK N1 - didn't visit anyone - too early for a busdrive to be used
3) jonty tracked Vio N2 - didn't visit anyone so town (also considered too early for busdrive)

now is where it gets interesting..... N3 seems to have been the perfect time to use the busdrive. and its obvious that it would have been to switch the last mafia with a townie.

so we have the following possibilities from jonty's action of tracking IB

1) jonty did not track the last mafia member
2) IB is the last member but switched himself with a townie so he appears innocent.

of the remaining people - betiko, myself and sam none of us have been officially cleared in any form or fashion so the possible scum list has to be like this

trinicardinal
betiko
samgrossy
Iron Butterfly (possibly cleared) but there is no way to be sure at this point in time.

Disclaimer: this is based on the assumption (very high possibility) that the bus drive was on N3

betiko and myself have been pretty active, sam has been quite inactive while IB has been somewhat active.

I promised to have a look at sam but I'm going to have to have a look at IB and betiko as well... this will take some time and I still have SMAC (Vio I haven't seen you in it yet) all of you are invited to take part btw...See Live Chat for details [/advertisement]

anyway back on track

sam's last post was on Monday which was this one -

I'll be honest guys, the Math thing is hard to follow. But I don't see how it helps us to determine which of the VTs that claimed, including myself, is actually scum. We need some hardcore voting patterns and evidence to find the scum. Let's take some time to look through the evidence and find the one last scum.

he hasn't taken any time to follow his own suggestions

the week before that (on the 12th) was this one

Sorry guys. I've been a loser player this week. I have excuses, but who cares.

I caught up with the thread. I will claim. And of course you all know what it is.

I'm a Vanilla Townie. I'm not sure that this give you any info to go on.

I'll be back tomorrow night.

before that was on the 4th with this

I have reread the thread and I don't see much of a case on Jonty or IB like some others. While I think the case on Count isn't rock solid, it is the best case put forward, and it makes sense that he was involved in some deflecting.

To put Count at L-1 (I assume that Doom has a correct vote count) I will UNVOTE, VOTE COUNT BELISLE

I'm back from vacations, and will be keeping up a lot more.

the post previous to that was on the 22nd of August

I'm still here, just wanted to check in. I'm still on vacation, and I'm trying to keep tabs as best as I can. I'll have to look more in depth into the scummy behavior on day 1.

And because I must and he has no votes yet: VOTE CHUCK

he's definitely not been posting much and basically hasn't contributed anything of significance to the game. It could possibly be a very good submarining effort by our last scum member.

I'll go into IB's case and betiko's when I can spare some more time... betiko you want to do the honors on my case?

Off the top of my head though IB hasn't offered too much explanation for his voting patterns especially in my case... as betiko mentions he jumped on the bandwagon to put me at L-1 and when I asked for his reasoning he didn't provide any... just subsequently unvoted me... I still don't know what his thought process was on that. Also he has not been as active as he probably could have been. but I'll confirm those details (or otherwise) when I get some more time. betiko has been very active and I posted some thoughts on him before. I'll have to revisit that later on.

[betiko]

sincerly, my scumdar isn't tripping a lot on the sam case...
it does look like a bored/inactive vt to me.... anyone has ever played vs sam? right now my 2 votes (today and tomorrow if i survive) will probably go to iron then trini in that order...

also, trini being at l-1, sam didn't even hammer him... he is really most probably vt. it does really look like iron saw a big oportunity on the trini bandwagon I initiated... if it's the case, thanks god jonty didn't blindly follow it... I must admit my case on you trini is rather light, it's more that for me, by mistake, iron was cleared and missed a scenario. but between trini and sam, i'd definitely vote trini. yeah i think i made my mind up, I want to get rid of the doubts i have on iron. unvote, vote iron butterfly

[jonty125]

thanks god jonty didn't blindly follow it...

Are you going to thank me, as well as God? For I am God, and God is me

Anyhow, FOS samgrossy for scumarining. Hmm, I'm tempted to vote IB but I'll let him respond before I move my vote.

[DoomYoshi]

I did prod Sam but he hasn't replied. Tomorrow I will start looking for a replacement.

[Iron Butterfly]

sincerly, my scumdar isn't tripping a lot on the sam case...
it does look like a bored/inactive vt to me.... anyone has ever played vs sam? right now my 2 votes (today and tomorrow if i survive) will probably go to iron then trini in that order...

also, trini being at l-1, sam didn't even hammer him... he is really most probably vt. it does really look like iron saw a big oportunity on the trini bandwagon I initiated... if it's the case, thanks god jonty didn't blindly follow it... I must admit my case on you trini is rather light, it's more that for me, by mistake, iron was cleared and missed a scenario. but between trini and sam, i'd definitely vote trini. yeah i think i made my mind up, I want to get rid of the doubts i have on iron. unvote, vote iron butterfly

Getting "rid" of your doubts? I could just as easily use that logic on you. Lets be honest here, at this point of the game it is strictly a guessing game as we have no information to work with. Now it seems WIFOM arguments are all that can be used.

This whole L1 thing is rather pointless as well because anyone with half a brain knows that to hammer is to draw attention. From my understanding holding someone at L2 was do to double voters or other outside actions. Frankly I find it rather silly. In a game such as this with all VTs and two town PR roles to hammer without consensus would be stupid on mafias part.

Betiko you keep talking about your scumdar like somehow it means something. Your vote on me is based on nothing.

Heres a good question to ask though. Why do we keep talking like being bus driven is a foregon conclusion? What are the odds that with 7 people in game jonty would target the busdriver/mafia? Thats pretty much what your doing here...your suspicion is based on the fact that I came up negitive.

Vote Betiko

Your "If I survive till tomorrow" is extremely self serving. Once again (in my opinion) playing that "Ima Townie" card cause I might not live till tommorow raises red flags to me more then anything. If jonty is the only PR that can catch someone in the act we may as well make funeral arrangements for the man now.

Youve been doing the math the whole game and to miss something as simple as that I find funny and is as good a reason to vote as any I have found.

[betiko]

sincerly, my scumdar isn't tripping a lot on the sam case...
it does look like a bored/inactive vt to me.... anyone has ever played vs sam? right now my 2 votes (today and tomorrow if i survive) will probably go to iron then trini in that order...

also, trini being at l-1, sam didn't even hammer him... he is really most probably vt. it does really look like iron saw a big oportunity on the trini bandwagon I initiated... if it's the case, thanks god jonty didn't blindly follow it... I must admit my case on you trini is rather light, it's more that for me, by mistake, iron was cleared and missed a scenario. but between trini and sam, i'd definitely vote trini. yeah i think i made my mind up, I want to get rid of the doubts i have on iron. unvote, vote iron butterfly

Getting "rid" of your doubts? I could just as easily use that logic on you. Lets be honest here, at this point of the game it is strictly a guessing game as we have no information to work with. Now it seems WIFOM arguments are all that can be used.

This whole L1 thing is rather pointless as well because anyone with half a brain knows that to hammer is to draw attention. From my understanding holding someone at L2 was do to double voters or other outside actions. Frankly I find it rather silly. In a game such as this with all VTs and two town PR roles to hammer without consensus would be stupid on mafias part.

Betiko you keep talking about your scumdar like somehow it means something. Your vote on me is based on nothing.

Heres a good question to ask though. Why do we keep talking like being bus driven is a foregon conclusion? What are the odds that with 7 people in game jonty would target the busdriver/mafia? Thats pretty much what your doing here...your suspicion is based on the fact that I came up negitive.

Vote Betiko

Your "If I survive till tomorrow" is extremely self serving. Once again (in my opinion) playing that "Ima Townie" card cause I might not live till tommorow raises red flags to me more then anything. If jonty is the only PR that can catch someone in the act we may as well make funeral arrangements for the man now.

Youve been doing the math the whole game and to miss something as simple as that I find funny and is as good a reason to vote as any I have found.

well, make up your mind. you say it's a guessing game now, and yet you are acusing me of using my scumdar? what else should I use? and yes, we can clearly make a funeral for jonty, he is clearly a dead man. tonight the busdrive would be completely useless to use, night 3 was the only good moment to use it. Now ok, let's get back on night 1, because some strange things happened there, I have to get back on this. night 2 i really don't see the bus ability being used. night 3 just fits perfect... it's the actual only power the mafia had, i guess the whole point was to use it at the best moment... what were the odds? well, 1 out of 4, 25% (sam, me, you and trini) to get checked. this means 25% chances to get busted if he didn't bus. are you not agreeing with me that if you were scum you would have bussed yourself on night 3? On the other hand, if there was a bus on night 3 jonty had a 25% chance to get a fake guilty result.
there are 25% chances that you got really lucky if you are scum, so yes, I want to clear my doubts, I think those 25% odds happened. there are 33% chances from my perspective to catch the scum today, and if I'm wrong and I survive (yes, because i don't take my survival for granted, if I had said the opposite you would've accused me of doing so as well) trini is the second one on my list.

[jonty125]

we can clearly make a funeral for jonty, he is clearly a dead man.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count

trinicardinal (1) - Violet
betiko (2) - trinicardinal, Iron Butterfly
Iron Butterfly (1) - betiko

[Iron Butterfly]

well, make up your mind. you say it's a guessing game now, and yet you are acusing me of using my scumdar?
Your guessing based on information "you think" is accurate. If you are town I dont hold it against you as that is all we have. That is why I questioned you on why you cleared violet based on her VT playing. I have asked you what you think is VT behavior, which would be completely subjective.what else should I use? and yes, we can clearly make a funeral for jonty, he is clearly a dead man. tonight the busdrive would be completely useless to use, night 3 was the only good moment to use it.

Now ok, let's get back on night 1, because some strange things happened there, I have to get back on this.I would be curious as to what you have to say about this as you left the thought unfinished. night 2 i really don't see the bus ability being used. night 3 just fits perfect... I will concede this point and agree it would be the best time UNLESS they are ballsy and took a gamble of not being caught. it's the actual only power the mafia had, i guess the whole point was to use it at the best moment... what were the odds? well, 1 out of 4, 25% (sam, me, you and trini) to get checked. Violet would also fall into the pool that could be busdriven. the goal of the busdriver is to not get caught so as long as he switched with a stationary VT, which would include Violet

this means 25% chances to get busted if he didn't bus. are you not agreeing with me that if you were scum you would have bussed yourself on night 3? On the other hand, if there was a bus on night 3 jonty had a 25% chance to get a fake guilty result.
there are 25% chances that you got really lucky if you are scum, so yes, I want to clear my doubts The problem I have with your thinking is that you are making me a possible scum because jonty targeted me. He could have just as easily targeted someone else. Your logic lies in the fact I was the one targeted by jonty. If jonty cleared Trin or sam would you apply the same reasoning if they were shown not to have been visited?, I think those 25% odds happened. there are 33% chances from my perspective to catch the scum today, and if I'm wrong and I survive (yes, because i don't take my survival for granted, if I had said the opposite you would've accused me of doing so as well) trini is the second one on my list.
betiko

[betiko]

well iron, it's more because you were a suspect fo me the day before. i also imagine that that's why jonty thought it was relevant that night to visit you. At first i was quite happy to have one of my major suspects cleared, as that meant i could go for suspect number 2, trini. but then, trini came up with that scenario (didn't know the busdriver could bus and kill at the same time) that seemed quite possiblein my opinion.
regarding violet, as I said, it made no sense to target her for a bus on night 2. doesn't mean it is impossible, it's just that it makes no sense. also she did some great cases that helped the town find the serial killer ect. you are complaining abut me going for a 25% odds scenario, but the violet scenario goes far below 10%.
But then, my problem with you is that i was absolutely sure in matrix mafia that you were one of the scums left and i was completely wrong. can i be wrong all the time about you?
And sam really doesn't play like a scumariner, i just see a guy who doesn't have time to put in the game.. I think that if he were mafia he would at least come check once in a while to look active, and his posts would try to look a bit more townish in his way to puts efforts into it...

[Iron Butterfly]

well iron, it's more because you were a suspect fo me the day before. i also imagine that that's why jonty thought it was relevant that night to visit you. At first i was quite happy to have one of my major suspects cleared, as that meant i could go for suspect number 2, trini. but then, trini came up with that scenario (didn't know the busdriver could bus and kill at the same time) that seemed quite possiblein my opinion.
regarding violet, as I said, it made no sense to target her for a bus on night 2. doesn't mean it is impossible, it's just that it makes no sense. also she did some great cases that helped the town find the serial killer ect. you are complaining abut me going for a 25% odds scenario, but the violet scenario goes far below 10%.
But then, my problem with you is that i was absolutely sure in matrix mafia that you were one of the scums left and i was completely wrong. can i be wrong all the time about you?
And sam really doesn't play like a scumariner, i just see a guy who doesn't have time to put in the game.. I think that if he were mafia he would at least come check once in a while to look active, and his posts would try to look a bit more townish in his way to puts efforts into it...

And why was I a suspect the day before?

[Iron Butterfly]

well iron, it's more because you were a suspect fo me the day before. i also imagine that that's why jonty thought it was relevant that night to visit you. At first i was quite happy to have one of my major suspects cleared, as that meant i could go for suspect number 2, trini. but then, trini came up with that scenario (didn't know the busdriver could bus and kill at the same time) that seemed quite possiblein my opinion.
regarding violet, as I said, it made no sense to target her for a bus on night 2. doesn't mean it is impossible, it's just that it makes no sense. also she did some great cases that helped the town find the serial killer ect. you are complaining abut me going for a 25% odds scenario, but the violet scenario goes far below 10%.
But then, my problem with you is that i was absolutely sure in matrix mafia that you were one of the scums left and i was completely wrong. can i be wrong all the time about you?
And sam really doesn't play like a scumariner, i just see a guy who doesn't have time to put in the game.. I think that if he were mafia he would at least come check once in a while to look active, and his posts would try to look a bit more townish in his way to puts efforts into it...

And why was I a suspect the day before?

"Now ok, let's get back on night 1, because some strange things happened there, I have to get back on this."

sorry for the double post but I would also like you to finish your thought on the above statement. What do you find strange that happened?

[samgrossy]

Here's what I know in my limited time playing poker. The person most likely to be scum is the one the is acting the most townish. Betiko, since the middle of D@ has been really controlling the flow and pace of the game. We are very close to end game and I appreciate the fact that he says that I am not "tripping his scumdar", but he really is tripping mine. So much so, that a lot of the voting patterns are pretty skewed by all his math and analysis through day 3 and now in day four as the scenarios change. It's almost like he is purposely trying to make our heads spin.

And why should I not trip his scumdar. Hell, to be completely honest, I've played this game like crap since I got home from vacation and school started up (to that I apologize, Doom, your game deserves a better player). I think he is smart enough to deflect any guilt from me because I have been pretty inactive. Think about it. Keep the guy who is inactive alive so that it will be way easier to win at LyLo. This guy completely smells of scum in my book.

VOTE BETIKO

[samgrossy]

Poker = mafia
D@ = D1

EBWOP

[jonty125]

The person most likely to be scum is the one the is acting the most townish.

So, you're suggesting we lynch betiko, for appearing town?

[samgrossy]

The person most likely to be scum is the one the is acting the most townish.

So, you're suggesting we lynch betiko, for appearing town?

No, I am suggesting that he is acting the most town on the surface, but it seems to me that when I look into his "control" of the game, I believe his motives are scummy. And that's why we lynch betiko.

[betiko]

well iron, it's more because you were a suspect fo me the day before. i also imagine that that's why jonty thought it was relevant that night to visit you. At first i was quite happy to have one of my major suspects cleared, as that meant i could go for suspect number 2, trini. but then, trini came up with that scenario (didn't know the busdriver could bus and kill at the same time) that seemed quite possiblein my opinion.
regarding violet, as I said, it made no sense to target her for a bus on night 2. doesn't mean it is impossible, it's just that it makes no sense. also she did some great cases that helped the town find the serial killer ect. you are complaining abut me going for a 25% odds scenario, but the violet scenario goes far below 10%.
But then, my problem with you is that i was absolutely sure in matrix mafia that you were one of the scums left and i was completely wrong. can i be wrong all the time about you?
And sam really doesn't play like a scumariner, i just see a guy who doesn't have time to put in the game.. I think that if he were mafia he would at least come check once in a while to look active, and his posts would try to look a bit more townish in his way to puts efforts into it...

And why was I a suspect the day before?

"Now ok, let's get back on night 1, because some strange things happened there, I have to get back on this."

sorry for the double post but I would also like you to finish your thought on the above statement. What do you find strange that happened?

Yes you are right, I've just reread all day 1 because I think it is quite interesting. I have pushed really hard on campin on day 1, making him softclaim a supposed power role. count belisle the decided to kill him. While I was pushing hard on campin's back, iron started to follow me and was really on his back as well; he even put him at l-3. being 2 scums, would it be in his best interest to push so much for a lynch for his only scummate? also, the 25% chance thing of jonty's tracking would be really lucky. I think I'm way less interested in the iron case now... ok, here are a few things to read that I found interesting guys.. let me know. Also, thank you for your accusations sam, I've been looking a bit more into your case.

ok so we have like a week left. 13 players, so i guess 2 or 3 mafia.
I think we need to make someone claim to get a real discussion going on real evidence. Not sure yet who I want to make claim first; it's day 1 after all...
I'm staying on campin for now. Campin, would it be a problem for town if your role is revealed this soon in the game?

Sorry for joke voting for too long. I had to place a vote and didn't know where to put it, so I came up with that one-liner. It seems though I may have found the first real thing that seems out of place.

unvote vote betiko....You want to push claims...claim yourself then?!
You dont need claims on day 1...that only helps scum. Scum slip perhaps?

Coming to campin's defense again?

I have read the thread and I don't see anywhere that LoVo is voting or supporting Campin', especially in this post. I think that this could be a case of a scum deflection away from Betiko (the person LoVo is criticizing) and to Campin'. This seems like a guilty post.

So, I say UNVOTE VOTE THECHUCK51.

What do you think?

I voted campin for not knowing the rules and who is the first to reply? LoVo

unvote vote campin it is clearly stated in the OP that you must have a vote placed at all times. I even joke voted violet for not casting a vote. Samgrossy in turned busted my balls about being a rules guy. Jonty and violet both voted no lynch and said they were doing it just because they had to have a vote on something. Yet somehow you are oblivious? My bet is that you are scum and have just been skimming.

skimming doesnt account for rules that arent the norm

Later, Betiko states he is leaving his vote on campin (essentially voting for campin) and who is the first to reply? LoVo

ok so we have like a week left. 13 players, so i guess 2 or 3 mafia.
I think we need to make someone claim to get a real discussion going on real evidence. Not sure yet who I want to make claim first; it's day 1 after all...
I'm staying on campin for now. Campin, would it be a problem for town if your role is revealed this soon in the game?

unvote vote betiko....You want to push claims...claim yourself then?!
You dont need claims on day 1...that only helps scum. Scum slip perhaps?

I have read the thread and I don't see anywhere that LoVo is voting or supporting Campin', especially in this post. I think that this could be a case of a scum deflection away from Betiko (the person LoVo is criticizing) and to Campin'. This seems like a guilty post.

It has nothing to do with betiko as LoVo first came to campin's defense after i voted for him. Vodean and violet noticed it too I believe.

Vote count

Betiko (4) - lord volemort, pcm, samgrossy, campin L-3
Campin (3) - betiko, thechuck, vio
redhedge (1) Trinicardinal
iron Butterfly (1) - redhedge
thechuck (1) - samgrossy
jonty (2) - IB, vodean
pancakemix (1) - count
no lynch (1) - jonty


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch (or 5 to lynch if deadline is reached).
Deadline is August 18th.

I agree, it seems strange that Campin hasn't posted in so long, especially when we begin applying the pressure on him. Normally respond more after some votes have been placed on him- so it could be true that hasn't been very active on he site for the past few days.

Redhedge does seem scummy, so FOS him for now. I'm more interested in the Campin case though.

campin's last post in here was on the 12th and he posted stuff on cc until the 16th.
he's been avoiding my question. I think the rules of this game favour way too much scum, with such a fix deadline and the obligation to cast votes... don't think we'll get a claim in the deadline and we need to avoid a lynch then... we need to be more organized on day 2.

Why would we need to avoid a lynch? If they are not participating they are not helping. There is no reason NOT to post at least once per day especially if you are present for other things on the CC site.

campin's last post in here was on the 12th and he posted stuff on cc until the 16th.
he's been avoiding my question. I think the rules of this game favour way too much scum, with such a fix deadline and the obligation to cast votes... don't think we'll get a claim in the deadline and we need to avoid a lynch then... we need to be more organized on day 2.

When I was re-reading, I didn't notice a question...

Could you restate it?

One thing that's been grabbing at me is why redhedge says he'll be more active, but then does not say anything else.

I'm not going to vote until he claims or the deadline gets even closer than it is, but I'm definately waiting to hear from him

i was asking you if it would go against the town's interest if you got in a claiming position

That would depend on the presence of a protective role

pretty scummy answer sir! kind of the only answer you couldn't tell. why the hell would you say that, you are softclaiming a power role, why would a power role do that now?

+1, you've put a target over your head now. Might as well tell us all, 'cos if you don't, you'll be a dead man.

That question was completely a rolefishing question.

How should I respond? Should I say: "Nah, I'll never tell you?"

or maybe: "I dunno, if you think claiming is so hot, why don't you do it yourself."

Anyways, I am a One-Shot Tracker.

I am the same as a normal tracker, except I get one chance to use my ability. The question is, whether to try and get lucky, or wait until the game is down to less people.

I don't buy it.

You were afk for the game while on the cc site.

A one shot tracker is not a loss if you flip Town. I however think you are lieing. You are a mod as well. Why would you ask others to protect you for a one shot role?Vote Campin

Vote count

[b]Campin (4) - betiko, thechuck, vio, Iron L-3
redhedge (3) Trinicardinal, jonty, pcm
Betiko (2) - lord volemort, campin
iron Butterfly (1) - redhedge
thechuck (1) - samgrossy
jonty (1) - vodean
pancakemix (1) - count



With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch (or 4 to lynch if deadline is reached).
Deadline is Midnight Tonight

If the vote count is unchanged, campin will be lynched tonight.

it kind of sucks not to have any flavour in this game. first time i play with no character names or whatever... really not helping when we get claims. iron butterfly and samgrossy are almost not participating. can we prod them?

I am here. I agree with your assessment of the game. It seems we are more focused on the setup of the game based on the number of VT. I suck at math and frankly find it annoying. The problem we have is that weather it is T3-T5 or what not, if someone pressured who really is mafia they will claim VT.

SO... I am going to claim.

I am a VT.

If you decide to lynch me no loss as I am VT and it will give you a better idea of where the game format stands.

How ya like that for a game shake up and something to discuss??

Interesting! so there we are!


samgrossy
Jonty
thechuck51 (pancakemix 2.0)

vodean claimed VT
Iron Butterfly claimed VT
Betiko claimed VT
Violet claimed VT
trinicardinal claimed VT

option A
6 non randomized including 3 enemies, 3vts (ve have 3 dead VTs that will be all counted in here)
7 randomized. we have 5 new VT claims for now, of which only 1 could be not telling the truth as there is only one scum left. T= at least 4 and has to be rounded up to the next odd number as they are the only ones with a serial killer role. so T=5 or T=7, which all works out.

option B
6 non randomized including 4 enemies, 2vts (ve have 3 dead VTs so last one is going to the randomized)
7 randomized. that would make us 6 vts (including the dead one), including 1 or 2 mafia that have already fakeclaimed among the 5vt claims at the most. T would be T=4 minimum, so would have to be rounded up to 5, and would not be possible since the only 2 options would be t=5 or t=7 even with 2 mafia fakeclaims till now.

conclusion: unless we have some power roles that fake claimed VT, which would be stupid, we are certain now that we are facing 1 and only enemy. I'd like to hear the claim of the remaining 3 guys; please tell me we have a cop and a doc!!

[samgrossy]

I'm not sure about you guys, but Betiko just claim he was reading into my case, but didn't post anything of any importance. He just quoted a million and one previous posts. This is what I think is interesting about this crazy post. He gets pressure from me and then posts a mile long message, that seems to obscure my pressure. The long message does three things for him as I see it.

1) It makes him "appear more townish", because it looks long and full of substance, but really isn't.
2) It physically obscures my pressure on him as the last scum. If anyone is skimming, they won't even see my posts two pages back.
3) It rationally obscures my post because he says he is looking into my claim, when in reality, nothing but fluff is posted. Again, any skimmers should be careful.

I think we have a guilty party here.

[samgrossy]

Sorry for the double post, but I went back and looked. The last time Betiko got any pressure was from Vodean on D3. Guess what his reaction was? I'll let you look at the details themselves, but here's the summary:

1) Vodean votes Betiko
2) Betiko makes a small post in response
3) Three posts later (less than 12 hours), Betiko makes a huge long post about math, which then forces the players to stop thinking about the pressure on him and redirect it back to math.

I am on to his little game here. I firmly believe he is the last scum standing.

[Iron Butterfly]

I'm not sure about you guys, but Betiko just claim he was reading into my case, but didn't post anything of any importance. He just quoted a million and one previous posts. This is what I think is interesting about this crazy post. He gets pressure from me and then posts a mile long message, that seems to obscure my pressure. The long message does three things for him as I see it.

1) It makes him "appear more townish", because it looks long and full of substance, but really isn't.
2) It physically obscures my pressure on him as the last scum. If anyone is skimming, they won't even see my posts two pages back.
3) It rationally obscures my post because he says he is looking into my claim, when in reality, nothing but fluff is posted. Again, any skimmers should be careful.

I think we have a guilty party here.

LOL it proved I am Town. I will admit I have been lazy this game and so have not gone back over the posts. har I forgot how much of a bull dog I was against Campin...but the posts show I was not believing his BS and voted hard to lynch.

Sam I have found it scummy that you float back into the game and jump right on the band wagon of Betiko like you've been with us the whole time. I will say it has bothered me.

It also bothers me that Sam acts as if his posts will be buried and that somehow his pressure is the deciding force, while in fact his only case for a lynch is that he acts Town. Now granted my scumdar has been raised by his Towniness as well but to just come out of the blue guns ablazin and acting like his observations are the deciding factor... I dont know...

This has been a weird as game...I am usually good at finding mafia...several of you have played with me before but I would be less then honest if I didnt tell you it is a guessing game for me at the moment.

Unvote Betiko Vote No Lynch till I decide